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Walz and his DUI

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I am torn. For one thing, my son in law, who I adore, just retired from the Air Force (aka the Chair Force). My ex husband, who I despise, also just retired, from the Army. I think my ex husband had things figured out but I think my son in law did too, in different ways.
 

Whateverist

Active Member
Oh my goodness our prospective next VP is a person who has lied…like just about everyone else I can think of. At least he isn’t as addicted to lying as opposition’s candidate for the presidency.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Oh my goodness our prospective next VP is a person who has lied…like just about everyone else I can think of. At least he isn’t as addicted to lying as opposition’s candidate for the presidency.
He's lied about some pretty big things.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Especially since he's shown the ability to apologize. I don't think I've ever seen Trump apologize to anyone for anything - especially when we talk about molesting and raping women. Unapologetic predator

Not only has he probably never apologized for anything to another person, but he claims to be a Christian (hah!) and publicly stated that he does't think he has ever asked God for forgiveness. How could any Christian vote for this reprobate?

 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Captain Bone Spurs at the top of the R ticket and people are giving Walz crap even though he signed up for service very young and stayed in for 24 years!
What does this tell us about Walz? The strongest criticisms MAGA has of this good man are ancient history and irrelevant. He had a DUI decades ago and he lied or misspoke about something to do with weapons in the National Guard years ago. The rest are just typical MAGA lies, which flow like water from their lying mouths, about trying to avoid combat and putting tampons in boys' bathrooms.

This tells us that the man made common mistakes when younger that are irrelevant in deciding what kind of a person he is today, which appears to be a very fine one and what a great judge of character and talent Harris was in choosing him, and why we want Harris making many more such decisions in the future as she assigns her advisors once president - something Biden was also very good at. Biden chose Harris, for example, to be his VP and successor, whereas Trump surrounded himself and infested government with other criminals like himself.

And these accusations comes from a man who dodged the draft with lies and his lying VP candidate who feigns a being a hillbilly: J.D. Vance Never Was and Never Will Be the Voice of Appalachia

But this is the way MAGA rolls: in the gutter.
Remember the Democrat hissy fit with Kavanaugh and they couldn't even prove what they were accusing him of.
Kavanaugh proved that he was a liar all by himself when he voted to overturn Roe.
I for one find his actions with the National Guard to be those of a coward and lying about his service "stole valvor".
Of course you do. You were told to think that and had no defense to being lied to.
Harris and Walz are two toxic people
And you were told that.

I would say that it's remarkable that a Trump supporter would call any other candidate toxic, but it's not. It's how MAGA are told to think, and so they do.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't see all who served in the military as making
a sacrifice. Some clearly did. Many didn't
This is based upon my experiences after 50+ years
knowing veterans from WW1 thru Viet Nam.
BTW, I've worked with many in my years designing
military weapon systems.
Both Vance & Walz have acceptable records IMO,
but they're hardly anything to exalt above workers
in the private sector.

BTW, one vet (who worked for me) enlisted, &
became a chauffeur for officers. Some sacrifice, eh.
I've nothing against REMFs. To play it safe is useful.
You should read Col. David Hackworths accounts. He really sets the standards on what a real military serviceman and what a veteran really is.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't see all who served in the military as making a sacrifice.
Few do.

I enlisted in 1972 not to serve my country, but to take a time out from university, where I was just too young and undisciplined to make my classes or succeed, so I spend three years in the Army as a computer programmer thanks to training I received in the service. Three years later, I returned to school and was successful.

Was I making a sacrifice? No.

Did I serve my country? Yes, I did. I saved the Army the cost of contracting with IBM to write a suite of programs that nobody could write on that small military post (its commander was a colonel, not even a general) for about a year. I was loaned from my unit - which was a plum position at the Pentagon - to this other location because somebody thought I might be able to do it, and they were correct. I saved the military a bundle my first year programming. But that wasn't why I was there.

I just watched American Sniper again. Assuming that it's accurate, there was a guy who enlisted for the benefit of others. And that was a common thing during World War II. But that wasn't me or anybody else I knew in the service. We were all there for the income, training, adventure, or in my case, just to grow up a bit more. I was also in the best shape of my life after basic training and benefited from the GI Bill after discharge.
Until you have walked a mile in my shoes do not attempt to berate me about what I consider a coward and a phony,
You have no say over who judges you or by what standards. Like everybody else, you're judged here by your posting.

Nobody needs to know more about you. You're a MAGA ideologue, you have a reputation for bringing just about anything defamatory to a Democrat to RF, and you're happy to trash whomever they tell you trash, which isn't a good look for anybody.

And now you want to trash a good man and loyal patriot. Shame on you.

So now you know. If you're going to repeat the gutter tropes MAGA has prepared for you, you'll be judged for it, and not just your morals. Your intelligence as well.

But as I said, that's true for all of us here.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I will bet most everyone has driven and may have failed a test if pulled over.
I have definitely never drove drunk. Don't know about you, but my friends and family have always been very proactive in discouraging it and giving keys to a sober watcher before the party starts.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I have definitely never drove drunk. Don't know about you, but my friends and family have always been very proactive in discouraging it and giving keys to a sober watcher before the party starts.
I never drove drunk either. But I remember how incredibly common it was with my parents and their generation, it was a joke to them. To them drinking and driving meant having a beer in the cupholder of the car and a case on the passenger seat.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I never drove drunk either. But I remember how incredibly common it was with my parents and their generation, it was a joke to them. To them drinking and driving meant having a beer in the cupholder of the car and a case on the passenger seat.
Been there, done that, except I was not the driver. On the return trip to Minnesota from the Colorado Rockies for a major geology course the driver had us take a detour to his favorite brewery. We had a case in the back and he had to dip into it and have one as we were driving. He got pulled over for speeding. Luckily that was all that happened to him. His beer was passed back and covered up and the case was buried with gear as well. As a passenger I was not very pleased. Beer and geology were often tied together. That was the only class that I ever took where we had a daily beer ration.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I never drove drunk either. But I remember how incredibly common it was with my parents and their generation, it was a joke to them. To them drinking and driving meant having a beer in the cupholder of the car and a case on the passenger seat.
Yup and when we drove home from the annual Christmas party from the bar where my wife worked with our kids, I drove because I was the better drunk driver. Sorry, But I never drove drunk either, though not by some standards, Yes standards have evolved.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not only has he probably never apologized for anything to another person, but he claims to be a Christian (hah!) and publicly stated that he does't think he has ever asked God for forgiveness. How could any Christian vote for this reprobate?

Yup. How is it hard question, have you asked god/Jesus for forgiveness, if you are a Christian?
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Yup and when we drove home from the annual Christmas party from the bar where my wife worked with our kids, I drove because I was the better drunk driver. Sorry, But I never drove drunk either, though not by some standards, Yes standards have evolved.

I did drive sometimes after drinking, especially in wine country, where we would visit several wineries for tasting. Back then, "designated driver" wasn't a thing, and everyone else in the car had also sampled wine. It wouldn't happen today, but it did back then. And the police weren't about to be pulling everyone over and arresting people in an area where most of those on the road were going on wine tasting excursions. In those days, tastings were mostly free at wineries. So there were a lot of drivers under the influence.

The most dangerous times I can remember while driving were at night, when I became drowsy while driving. It isn't just DWI that poses a hazard to others and oneself. But I can remember times when I caught myself nearly dozing off and had to pull into a rest stop to catch some sleep. Those were very dangerous episodes. Luckily, I'm not running for public office, so the near misses can't be used against me. I just don't feel self-righteous enough to condemn others for doing such stupid things and surviving to learn what stupid is. It's hard to forgive those who learn the lesson when it's too late.
 
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