Was atheism invented?

[Aupmanyav]

There are many theistic scientists, for example, Albert Einstein, Newton. Look for the list of Christians on Wikipedia. Thus, even a theist can mean something to an atheist.

It does not matter if all scientists are theists. My views are for me. My views are very different from the main-line Hinduism. So what? In Sanskrit, we say "Tatah kim?" In Punjabi we say "Te pher ki hoya?" It is a mantra which can solve many problems.

 

[questfortruth]

OK

Google: Mitochondrial Eve, Y-Chromosomal Adam. Why there are such people if we came from millions of apes? I mean, there should be 200 000 first humans to make God-less Evolution plausible, not just two: Adam and Eve.

 

[questfortruth]

It does not matter if all scientists are theists. My views are for me.

Yes, but this fact can greatly influence your worldview. Why? We are social creatures.

They were primates

Even in the animal kingdom, the parents teach their kids.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The problem is that you don't understand evolution.
They were primates; it's a bit like when does black become white? Which stage of grey do you call it white?

So how did non-religious life become religious if taught, because if we follow evolution back trough time, it mean that the first life was taught religion by something that was not life. That is the problem with your claim.
So religion can't be taught be the parents, because at one time in the past parents weren't religious, because they didn't have religious parents themselves.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I just do not know about Richard Dawkins. I have read his name mentioned as a leading atheist. You too mentioned his name in your post. Otherwise I would not have even talked about him. We have many Hindu atheists of our own, to name two, Gaudapada (Gaudapada) and the pupil of his pupil, the first Sankaracharya (Shankaracharya). We have various Upanishads which promote atheism and non-duality. I do not really need Richard Dawkins.

Who will check for evidence about whether there is a God or not. Only science can do that. Science will tell me if a person can walk on water or if a person can feed 5000 with five loaves of bread and two fish. Science will tell me if some one can change water into wine (that will be so nice). So in all testing science will be involved.

It does not matter at all if you do not know about Hinduism or Buddhism. Perhaps you will never be able to understand them with all your prejudices. We are free-thinkers. So be happy with your four books.

I'm still not getting your tone. It's just out of the blue. What four books?

 

[Dave Watchman]

And how does it matter to me if Mr. A, B, or C is not an atheist. I am.

I guess it doesn't, matter to you.

But it's not just any Mr. A, B, or C. He's a theoretical physicist making a logical case, a prize winning case, for how Atheism violates the scientific method.

Atheism is not qualified to make the declaration that there is no God.

Science is not in the business of making declarations.

"What is atheism? It’s a statement, a categorical statement that expresses belief in nonbelief. “I don’t believe even though I have no evidence for or against, simply I don’t believe.” Period. It’s a declaration. But in science we don’t really do declarations.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I'm still not getting your tone. It's just out of the blue. What four books?

You call them "Gospels".

But in science we don’t really do declarations.

Science sure does testing.

A nice photograph of our cousins: Discussing God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Proof!!!

For every positive there is a negative.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

For every positive there is a negative.

Yes and?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You call them "Gospels".

A nice photograph of our cousins: Discussing God.
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Aupmanyav, I have never ever believed, never was indoctrinated, and don't live in a bible-thumping environment. I only knew about the one (four?) books in a theological sense when I joined RF. All the things I know "about" abrahamic traditions are just academic. They have zero to do with what I actually believe and don't believe.

Unless you believe in Dawkins and believe atheism has more than one definition, I have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes and?

For every theist there is an atheist.

A-just means without. It's the opposite of the root word involved (theist). Everything else you (guys) are adding on to it is irrelevant. How on earth did ya'll pick that up?

 

[Altfish]

Google: Mitochondrial Eve, Y-Chromosomal Adam. Why there are such people if we came from millions of apes? I mean, there should be 200 000 first humans to make God-less Evolution plausible, not just two: Adam and Eve.

Good grief, you have not an iota of what evolution says, have you?

I'm very happy with evolution; you are obviously happy with creation.

I understand creation; you do not understand evolution

 

[Altfish]

Yes, but this fact can greatly influence your worldview. Why? We are social creatures.

Even in the animal kingdom, the parents teach their kids.

Which is exactly what I said!!!!!!
Read back through the thread

 

[Altfish]

Google: Mitochondrial Eve, Y-Chromosomal Adam. Why there are such people if we came from millions of apes? I mean, there should be 200 000 first humans to make God-less Evolution plausible, not just two: Adam and Eve.

I understand evolution, I don't have to google anything. You don't.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

For every theist there is an atheist.

A-just means without. It's the opposite of the root word involved (theist). Everything else you (guys) are adding on to it is irrelevant. How on earth did ya'll pick that up?

Would you please follow backwards this exchange and explain the relevance of your posts in regards to what lead you to this exchange?

 

[Aupmanyav]

How did they become religious?

Some shaman preyed on their ignorance. That has been the story of humanity also. Crooks and imposters abound.

Yes, but this fact can greatly influence your worldview. Why? We are social creatures.

I have done my research and arrived at a particular answer. In Hinduism beliefs are considered strictly a personal matter. I am an atheist, my family is theist.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I haven't. I merely say that there is quite literally nothing that would cause me to entertain that hypothesis.

Then you might not be an Atheist.

You might be Agnostic.

I'll still wrestling with the terminology.

Atheist vs. agnostic
There is a key distinction. An atheist doesn’t believe in a god or divine being. The word originates with the Greek atheos, which is built from the roots a- (“without”) and theos (“a god”). Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.
What’s The Difference Between Atheism And Agnosticism?​

Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

However, based on the scientific method, the Atheist has no right, to make that statement without having the empirical.

Atheist means "without God"

Vaya Con Dios

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Which is exactly what I said!!!!!!
Read back through the thread

Who taught the parents of the parents all the way back to the fist life? Who were the parents of first life?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Some shaman preyed on their ignorance. That has been the story of humanity also. Crooks and imposters abound.

Evidence of that actually happening.

 

[Altfish]

So how did non-religious life become religious if taught, because if we follow evolution back trough time, it mean that the first life was taught religion by something that was not life. That is the problem with your claim.
So religion can't be taught be the parents, because at one time in the past parents weren't religious, because they didn't have religious parents themselves.

First read up on evolution, you do not understand it. There isn't an ape one day and a human the next. It is very slow and gradual, like black via grey to white.
Humans didn't understand many natural things ... e.g. Thunder and lightening; earthquakes; eclipses; day and night; summer and winter; etc. etc. etc.
So the tribal elders created stories to explain such things. These people were admired thought of as educated and knowledgeable, they became priests and leaders, These people started the religions and soon it became a money making and power earning way of life.
Once these stories were started they led to religion and parents taught the latest knowledge to their children.