Was Islam spread by the sword?

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑

Weighing of the heart scene from the Book of the Dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt

It's actually the weighting of ba, which is sometimes depicted as a heart or sometimes as a little version of the person, like figurine.
The ba is supposedly an Egyptian version of the soul.

I just gave it as a symbol of ancient Egypt.
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[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey keeps moving the bloody goalpost.
First, he attempted to bring Islam in general, like Muhammad, Sunni, Shia, etc, but when he encountered problems and counter-argument, he would switched Islam to Ahmadiyya only, only switched back to Muhammad and Sunni when it suit him, which has nothing to do with Ahmadiyya.
What a load of two-face craps he'd pull...

The goalposts have been made closer, from the first advent of Muhammad to the present-period, the time of second advent of Muhammad for the close observation of the people for their convenience.

"Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad."an extract from Post #2808​

One might be short-sighted, not seeing it.
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[Shad]

Why isn't credible! this is what scholars of Islam said about an Islamic book
I respect your opinion, but you have to tell me why

No since it quote-mines. For example the Cook quote is only one view Cook put forward and it is quote-mined.. You websites quote

"False ascription was rife among the 8th century scholars and that in any case Ibn Ishaq and contemporaries were drawing on oral traditions."

Here is the quote from the actual book. You can find the other view directy preceding the quote below in the book.

"The other view is false ascription was rife among the 8th century scholars, and that in any case Ibn Ishaq and contemporaries were drawing on oral traditions. Neither of these propositions is as arbitrary as it sounds. We have reason to believe that numerous traditions on questions of dogma and law were provided with spurious chains of authorities by those who put them into circulation; and at the same time we have much evidence of controversy in the eight century as to whether it was permissible to reduce oral tradition to writing. The implications of this view for the reliability of our source are clearly rather negative. If we cannot trust the chains of authorities, we can no longer claim to know that we have before us the separately transmitted account of independent wittiness; and if knowledge of the life of Muhammad was transmitted orally for a century before it was reduced to writing, then the chances are that the material will have undergone considerable alteration in the process.

Which of these positions, or what middle course, lies closest to the truth is something which - to borrow the idiom of the Muslim scholars - God knows best"

So your blog presents an opinion which Cook did not make as Cook is talking about view points rather than making a conclusion as your blog attempted to do under the vain assumption that people do not check the sources. Well this assumption seems to apply to you and not to those with a minimal amount of education when it comes to using citations and fact checking. You and your blog failed to do this. I did not thus exposed how unprofessional your blog is. Also Robert Spencer is not an expert, he is an anti-Muslim bigot and your blog uses him as if he was a credible source.... Next time act check your own references...



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[paarsurrey]

Further to Posts #2717, #2720 ,and #2722 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post #2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703.

Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Egypt. [2]
Egypt is a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with Islam as its state religion. The percentage of adherents of various religions is a controversial topic in Egypt. An estimated 90% are identified as Muslim, 9% as Coptic Christians, and 1% as other Christian denominations.[nb 2]Non-denominational Muslims form roughly 12% of the population.[213]
The Ahmadiyya population is estimated at less than 50 thousand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt
DATE November 23, 2011

"Security services in April arrested a group of people belonging to the “Ahmadiyya Qadiani” religious sect, an offshoot of Islam, who were found performing rituals traditionally associated with pilgrimages to Mecca in the Cairo district of Moqattam, in violation of Islamic Law.
The group was charged with disseminating an ideology that contravenes Islam and inciting sectarian strife in contempt for religion.
The group is said to claim that Mohamed was not the last prophet to be sent by God–a mainstay of orthodox Islam–and that Gabriel, the angel sent by God to reveal the Koran to Mohamed, has also appeared to sect leader Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani and his successors.
Members of the group believe that Qadiani is the messiah who will be resurrected from his grave in the Indian city of Qadian at the end of times. They further believe that pilgrimages should be performed to his tomb in India–and not to Mecca in Saudi Arabia–and describe as infidels anyone who does not subscribe to these beliefs.
Subsequent investigations revealed that the group is financed by the membership fees paid by its followers, and that members meet once a week in Moqattam to read their leader’s weekly Internet sermon.

Translated from the Arabic Edition

Alislam.org for further info.

Source:
www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/group-arrested-performing-
pilgrimage-moqattam"
https://www.persecutionofahmadis.org/group-arrested-for-performing-pilgrimage-to-moqattam/


Country/Region: Egypt
Ahmadiyya population : 50,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :0.1
Percentage (%) of population : < 0.1
Notes/Sources : Estimate[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Egypt ?

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[Augustus]

Other faiths and minority Muslim sects practised by Egyptians, such as the small Bahá'í and Ahmadi community, are not recognised by the state and face persecution since they are recognised as far right groups that threaten Egypt's national security.[225][226]

 

[gnostic]

• Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.

• Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.

• if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.

• Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.

• Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

You do realise that you are simply bragging?

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, but when you considered that the world population of Ahmadis is just a fraction of ONE PERCENT, when you compare it to the Sunni of between 87% and 90%, the reform of Islam, according to you, is actually insignificant, because the majority don't follow the Ahmadiyya.

And following Muhammad's footstep is also another empty brag.

And bragging about the Ahmadiyya being the True Islam or yourself being a True Muslim, then you have to understand the implication of that, don't you?

If Ahmadis are anything like you, who like to brag, then I am not surprise that the other sects, mainly Sunnis, persecute this insignificant sect.

I am not saying the Sunni are better sect than Ahmadiyya, but people generally don't like braggarts. And Mirzā Ghulām Ahmad is a braggart, because he has elevated himself as the "Messiah".

 

[paarsurrey]

You do realise that you are simply bragging?
It doesn't matter how many times you say it, but when you considered that the world population of Ahmadis is just a fraction of ONE PERCENT, when you compare it to the Sunni of between 87% and 90%, the reform of Islam, according to you, is actually insignificant, because the majority don't follow the Ahmadiyya.
And following Muhammad's footstep is also another empty brag.
And bragging about the Ahmadiyya being the True Islam or yourself being a True Muslim, then you have to understand the implication of that, don't you?
If Ahmadis are anything like you, who like to brag, then I am not surprise that the other sects, mainly Sunnis, persecute this insignificant sect.
I am not saying the Sunni are better sect than Ahmadiyya, but people generally don't like braggarts. And Mirzā Ghulām Ahmad is a braggart, because he has elevated himself as the "Messiah".

Your argument is not correct.
Do you think everybody who claims to be a "Messiah" is boastful?
What about Jesus who also was Messiah?
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[gnostic]

Your argument is not correct.
Do you think everybody who claims to be a "Messiah" is boastful?
What about Jesus who also was Messiah?

Yes.
Yes.

Jesus didn't fulfill all the prophecies that were found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

And with Mirzā, even more so.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Egypt ?

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You already copy-and-vomited this Wikipedia entry before. You're actually losing track of the fallacious examples you're providing.

Unbelievable.

 

[paarsurrey]

You already copy-and-vomited this Wikipedia entry before. You're actually losing track of the fallacious examples you're providing.
Unbelievable.

You are wrong again, Post #2824 is different from Post #2808. Kindly correct yourself. Please
Why should be one angry? Instead please focus on the argument, if any.
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[outhouse]

Here is knowledge, why does being muslim mean refusing an encyclopedia and all the GLOBAL knowledge it contains?????????? Is this not just the most sad thing ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology

Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology. Stories about Musa (Moses)[1] and Ibrahim (Abraham)[2] form parts of Islam's scriptures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

By the beginning of the 21st century, archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated.

 

[outhouse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waraka_ibn_Nawfal

Waraka and Khadija were also the first cousins twice removed of Muhammad

So he was his cousin as I stated

Waraka was a Nestorian priest

he was a priest as I stated


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

Nestorius and his teachings were eventually condemned as heretical


He was a heretic as I stated


He also "wrote the New Testament in Arabic


he wrote Arabic bible as I stated


Waraka found a lost five-year-old boy wandering around Upper Mecca. This was Muhammad

Found a 5 year old boy wandering as I stated


As Muhammad grew in age, Waraka's knowledge of the scriptures increased.

Uh oh they studied together, just as I told you


Everything I said was truth and sourced with credible knowledge, all you do is refuse knowledge. You refuse to answer questions when asked.

You don't get to throw it all out because you don't like the source. What part is not credible in your eyes

 

[paarsurrey]

In Post #2682
What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?

other than camel urine is a magical cure all...​

paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please

Paarsurrey says:
This innocent animal (camel) which was called the ship of desert in Arabia, was to be a sign as prophesied by Quran. Its role was to be replaced by modern day vehicles of journey and transport:

... when the ten month pregnant she-camels will be abandoned. 27

In this context the prophecy of the she-camels being abandoned can evidently be understood to mean that better, faster and more powerful means of transport will have been invented.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_6_section_2.html

Images for ship of desert in Arabia
Civilization V' strategy: Harun al-Rashid's ships of the desert spread Arabian faith far and wide
http://www.megabearsfan.net/post/2014/09/18/Civ-V-Arabia-strategy.aspx
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[outhouse]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...rror-incident/ar-AAg3QsN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

man wielding a knife slashed a man in an east London metro station on Saturday, reportedly screaming "this is for Syria," before police used a stun gun to detain him in what they described as a terrorist incident.

the knifeman had appeared to claim that he was retaliating for Western attacks on Islamist militants in Syria

The Leytonstone incident will draw parallels with the May 2013 murder of British army soldier Lee Rigby, who was hacked to death just south of the Thames River by two Muslim converts.

Will islam every stop spreading with bloodshed?

 

[paarsurrey]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...rror-incident/ar-AAg3QsN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
man wielding a knife slashed a man in an east London metro station on Saturday, reportedly screaming "this is for Syria," before police used a stun gun to detain him in what they described as a terrorist incident.
the knifeman had appeared to claim that he was retaliating for Western attacks on Islamist militants in Syria
The Leytonstone incident will draw parallels with the May 2013 murder of British army soldier Lee Rigby, who was hacked to death just south of the Thames River by two Muslim converts.
Will islam every stop spreading with bloodshed?

Did it spread Islam? No, it will be a hindrance in spread of Islam. That proves my point that Islam never spread with sword. Right? Please
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[outhouse]

Did it spread Islam?

EITHER DID Ahmadiyya , who had nothing do with origin

But it does not stop you from proselytizing

 

[outhouse]

Right?

WRONG

Everyone knows islam originated from sword, violence, warfare and bloodshed.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Quran 9:123 tells Muslims to fight non-Muslims. This is not radicals or extremists. If you are a good Muslim and follow the Quran then you will fight the non-Muslims around you.

 

[McBell]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please

Paarsurrey says:
This innocent animal (camel) which was called the ship of desert in Arabia, was to be a sign as prophesied by Quran. Its role was to be replaced by modern day vehicles of journey and transport:

... when the ten month pregnant she-camels will be abandoned. 27

In this context the prophecy of the she-camels being abandoned can evidently be understood to mean that better, faster and more powerful means of transport will have been invented.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_6_section_2.html
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Images for ship of desert in Arabia
Civilization V' strategy: Harun al-Rashid's ships of the desert spread Arabian faith far and wide
http://www.megabearsfan.net/post/2014/09/18/Civ-V-Arabia-strategy.aspx
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Interesting how you completely ignore the meat of the post.
Not the least bit surprising considering how weak you have shown your faith to be.

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting how you completely ignore the meat of the post.
Not the least bit surprising considering how weak you have shown your faith to be.

Well I don't see any meat here.Camel meat? I have not yet tasted it, they say it is saltish. Is it?
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