Was Islam spread by the sword?

[gnostic]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Compulsion (highlighted in red)


Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

Compulsion (highlighted in red)


Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding."

Your own holy book commands Muslims to fight and to spread Islam through violence. Do you deny it?

Those passages that I have highlighted in red, are the ones that contradict the verse that say, Qur'an don't force people into converting to Islam.

Fight the unbelievers until they only Islam as their religion, or they are worshipping only Allah, is clearly compulsion.

 

[McBell]

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Does not any good to point you are wrong.
You merely ignore, dismiss, side step, or move the goal posts.

 

[paarsurrey]

Further to Posts #2717, #2720 ,and #2722 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post#2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703, Egypt #2824 .

Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Fiji. [3]

Fiji ( i/ˈfiːdʒiː/fee-jeeFijian: Viti; Fiji Hindi: फ़िजी), officially the Republic of Fiji[8] (Fijian: Matanitu Tugalala o Viti;[9]Fiji Hindi: रिपब्लिक ऑफ फीजी[10]Fiji Hindi: Ripablik ăph Phījī), is an island country in Melanesia in the South Pacific Ocean about 1,100 nautical miles (2,000 km; 1,300 mi) northeast of New Zealand's North Island. Its closest neighbours areVanuatu to the west, New Caledonia to the southwest, New Zealand'sKermadec Islands to the southeast, Tonga to the east, the Samoas and France's Wallis and Futuna to the northeast, and Tuvalu to the north.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Fiji celeberates Prophet Muhammad Day
Posted about 3 years ago | 2 comments


Chief Justice of Fiji Anthony Gates highlighted the importance of Prophet Mohammad‘s teaching during celebrations to mark the prophet’s birthday at an event organized by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama at the Fazal E Umar Mosque in Samabula, Suva.

Justice Gates said If many were to follow those facets of Holy Prophet’s life the misunderstandings and carelessness that breed dissent and distrust would not give rise to conflict.

“I see that the motto of the Jama’at is ‘love for all hatred for none’, it does not say ‘love for all Muslims and hatred for no other sects of Muslims,” Mr Gates said.


Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at Fiji National president Maulana Fazal Ullah Tariqsaid the celebration was not meant to celebrate the birth of Prophet Mohammed and was not an ordinary religious event but rather an educational event.

Mr Tariq said the event was held every year to spread awareness and to familiarise people and educate Muslims and non-Muslims on the life of the prophet.

“It is held to acquaint people with the holy prophet’s grandeur and status,” Mr Tariq said.

“It is a day on which the world would become aware of the life of the holy prophet and his most beautiful qualities.”

According to the Ahmadiyya Muslim report, there are many humble people in all religions. Their voices are suppressed by other people. It is their responsibility to take their suppressed voices and raise them to be heard by others.

Through these gatherings, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama at Fiji will give those people who are noble and are ready for harmony, the courage they need so that when they come forward, they can make a remarkable change in religions and among nations.

https://www.rabwah.net/ahmadiyya-muslim-community-fiji-celeberates-prophet-muhammad-day/

Country/Region: Fiji
Ahmadiyya population : 2,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :3.6
Percentage (%) of population : 0.3
Notes/Sources : 1996 Census[n 6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in

Fiji ?

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

There is logic and then there is this.

lol

 

[MARCELLO]

Peace and islam? I search through this combination in world news but I guess my computer is demonized by Zionists as it always tells the opposite.

 

[Tumah]

Further to Posts #2717, #2720 ,and #2722 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
4. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
5. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

If today I ate falafel, it should be clear sign for doubtful that my great-great grandfather who lived in Poland ate falafel.

 

[MARCELLO]

The problem of islam is that it thinks by (funny) weapons it can spread itself. The miserable thing is that they want to try this on us in west where they are granted with lots of things while non muslims in their areas are beheaded. I pray to God that very soon we will not need you and your oil. Did not you acknowledge that you are not capable of doing this within your kuwaiti war?

 

[outhouse]

We are talking about the origins of islam.

Could you address the OP , not make up your own rhetoric?

STAY on topic

Séléka CPSK-CPJP-UFDR is an alliance of rebel militia factions[1] that overthrew the Central African Republic (CAR) government on March 24, 2013.[2][3][4] Séléka leader Michel Djotodia became the nation's president from March 2013 until his resignation in January 2014.[5][6] Members of Séléka are almost entirely Muslim.[7][8][9][10]


Islam being spread by BLOOD and GUTS

“What’s worse is that the Seleka have recruited children as young as 13 to carry out some of this carnage.”

 

[outhouse]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

Yes it was.

many of your OWN links have factually proven it.

 

[Shad]

I just gave what the Wikipedia has mentioned. Islam does not approve of slavery or slave trade though.
Regards

Actually it does since it mentions slaves and masters. Read your own holy book. Never mind the Arabic slave trade, the Ottoman slave trade. History shows that Muslims saw Islam as having no issues with slavery for centuries. So you interpretation does not match history thus is nonsense.

Since you love Wiki so much maybe you should read what you post

"Islam arrived in Central African Republic with the first Arab slave traders in the 17th Century as part of the expansion of the Saharan and Nile River slave routes. They sent slaves to North Africa or South the Ubanqui and Congo rivers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

[paarsurrey]

Actually it does since it mentions slaves and masters. Read your own holy book. Never mind the Arabic slave trade, the Ottoman slave trade. History shows that Muslims saw Islam as having no issues with slavery for centuries. So you interpretation does not match history thus is nonsense.
Since you love Wiki so much maybe you should read what you post
"Islam arrived in Central African Republic with the first Arab slave traders in the 17th Century as part of the expansion of the Saharan and Nile River slave routes. They sent slaves to North Africa or South the Ubanqui and Congo rivers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

I never said that whatever I write is a piece of history or must match with the Historians opinions.
Quran does not mention anywhere to enslave any body. It takes all measures for freeing one from the bonds of slavery.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

There is logic and then there is this.
lol

Please express whatever is in your mind fully. One or two sentences don't tell as to what is in your mind. Your mind seems to have good ideas but one restricts them to oneself. Please open up and let us have your charitable thoughts in full.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

Please express whatever is in your mind fully. One or two sentences don't tell as to what is in your mind.

What a load of crap!

Just because you can write only 1 or 2 sentences per post, doesn't mean anyone have to follow your silly example and rule.

You copy-and-paste selective parts of wiki articles, and at the end of the post, you write sh## of your own repeated question:

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in [country]?​

But since no one is addressing, you have changed your last few to:

Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in [country]?​

Changing the last line won't make that much different to your post, by including "...of Ahmadiyya true Islam..."

Often you don't address any question that is put to you. There is no dialogue and no debate, just more of the same sh@# each week. You are just quote-mining and spamming.

If you are not going to address people's questions, then why in the fricking earth that you continuing to spamming wiki articles and wasting everyone's time?

 

[Shad]

I never said that whatever I write is a piece of history or must match with the Historians opinions.
Quran does not mention anywhere to enslave any body. It takes all measures for freeing one from the bonds of slavery.
Regards

Actually it does since it contains verses about right hand posses which is about slaves and manumission of slaves. In order to free a slave one must have a slave to begin with. It also sets the guideline that the mastery is the one that decides if the slave is good enough to be freed. Reading in-depth must be hard for you when the Quran contradicts your rhetoric. Also that is not the opinions of historians, those are historical facts.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It is an important point that most of the posters have failed to realize even in the later posts in the thread, hence their wrong conclusions. Islam is an ideology, to prove that Islam commanded to use sword to spread cannot be proved wrong with what Muslims rulers/monarchs or tribal chiefs did or said.
Regards

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding."

Your own holy book commands Muslims to fight and to spread Islam through violence. Do you deny it?

@paarsurrey, do you have any response to this?

 

[paarsurrey]

Actually it does since it contains verses about right hand posses which is about slaves and manumission of slaves. In order to free a slave one must have a slave to begin with. It also sets the guideline that the mastery is the one that decides if the slave is good enough to be freed. Reading in-depth must be hard for you when the Quran contradicts your rhetoric. Also that is not the opinions of historians, those are historical facts.

You are simply wrong. Please try to understand the verses from the context verses. It is easy, not difficult to understand for an intelligent person like you. Please ponder intently on the verses.
Meanwhile, you would be pleased to provide the list. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

@paarsurrey, do you have any response to this?

I do have for sure.
But you can try yourself to understand from the context verses. It is easy, not difficult to understand for an intelligent person like you. Please ponder intently on the verses.
Meanwhile, you would be pleased to provide the list. Please
Regards

 

[Shad]

You are simply wrong. Please try to understand the verses from the context verses. It is easy, not difficult to understand for an intelligent person like you. Please ponder intently on the verses.
Meanwhile, you would be pleased to provide the list. Please
Regards

I understand the context. You have used "context" as a post hoc rationalization while providing no actual context. You made the claim of context now show it. It is your burden not mine, you argument is fallacious.

16.71 in which slaves are part of the nature order ordained by Allah.
24:33 in which freeing of a slave is dependent upon the master's view of the slave. One must have a slave, thus it is acceptable, to free a slave, which is also acceptable.

 

[paarsurrey]

If today I ate falafel, it should be clear sign for doubtful that my great-great grandfather who lived in Poland ate falafel.

It does not explain your argument. It does not fit on the situation. Please elaborate.
Regards

 

[Tumah]

It does not explain your argument. It does not fit on the situation. Please elaborate.
Regards

You are saying that because your reformative version of Islam is spreading in a peaceful fashion, the original version of Islam 1,500 years ago also spread in a peaceful way. I am saying that this doesn't follow at all. By your own admission, Ahmadiyya is a reformation. It is not how Islam was practiced in its original form. Let alone the cultural changes. So there is no connection between how your particular strain of Islam is spreading to how it spread originally. They have almost nothing to do with each other. And your argument is invalid.