Was Jesus a Heretic

[paarsurrey]

Was Jesus a Heretic?

was jesus for/against judaism? would jesus be for/against today's christianity?

Jesus , I believe, was on the truthful and right-path of G-d, and he was sure not a heretic.
Jesus followed the truthful teachings of Moses revealed on him by G-d, and he never told that he was a Jew or a follower of Judaism, exactly. Right, please?

Jesus never said that he was a christian.Right, please?

Regards

 

[shmogie]

Was Jesus a Heretic?


Jesus , I believe, was on the truthful and right-path of G-d, and he was sure not a heretic.
Jesus followed the truthful teachings of Moses revealed on him by G-d, and he never told that he was a Jew or a follower of Judaism, exactly. Right, please?

Jesus never said that he was a christian.Right, please?

Regards

Well, since Christ was born a Jew, and kept the law of God, and worshipped and taught at the Temple, and since the Jewish scriptures spoke of him, methinks he was a practicer of Judaism.

Since Christinity didn´t arise till after the crucifixion, when Israel rejected itś, and the worlds Messiah, he wasn´t a Christian, He was a Messianic Jew, as were the Apostles. After the Crucifixion, Messianic Jews are Christians.

 

[paarsurrey]

Well, since Christ was born a Jew, and kept the law of God, and worshipped and taught at the Temple, and since the Jewish scriptures spoke of him, methinks he was a practicer of Judaism.

Since Christinity didn´t arise till after the crucifixion, when Israel rejected itś, and the worlds Messiah, he wasn´t a Christian, He was a Messianic Jew, as were the Apostles. After the Crucifixion, Messianic Jews are Christians.

Jesus was a follower of Law of Moses, in real terms I believe he was not a Jew, a term later invented, for the Israelites.
Jesus was never a "Christian", he never used this word for himself. Jesus also never expressed himself to be a "Messianic Jew". If yes, please quote from Jesus. Right, please?
Regards

 

[Zindik]

Muslim Tsalaf saying "The Prophet Jesus AS is more than A Saviour of Israel , He is the winner with Al Nabi Al Ahmadz Al Fathaanah SAW (which preceded Him) ."

 

[Fool]

Was Jesus a Heretic?


Jesus , I believe, was on the truthful and right-path of G-d, and he was sure not a heretic.

Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home."

Jesus followed the truthful teachings of Moses revealed on him by G-d, and he never told that he was a Jew or a follower of Judaism, exactly. Right, please?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Jesus never said that he was a christian.Right, please?

Regards

goes to show you can manipulate an idol for profit by creating a cult of personality

 

[RESOLUTION]

was jesus for/against judaism? would jesus be for/against today's christianity?

As the Son of God would either be more important than Christ himself?
Sometimes we let what we think we know become more important than what we need to know.

Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Since Judaism and Christianity are connect by truth and the word of God coming to man by the power of Gods Spirit.
Then surely the truth being Christ should centre around what he has done and what he has said.

You simply have to decide whether or not to follow Christ... If following him and obeying him means you know the truth and it sets you free. Then surely like the OT what you see come to pass is the truth about Christs words and the Prophets.

How do you know?

 

[Fool]

As the Son of God would either be more important than Christ himself?
Sometimes we let what we think we know become more important than what we need to know.

Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Since Judaism and Christianity are connect by truth and the word of God coming to man by the power of Gods Spirit.
Then surely the truth being Christ should centre around what he has done and what he has said.

You simply have to decide whether or not to follow Christ... If following him and obeying him means you know the truth and it sets you free. Then surely like the OT what you see come to pass is the truth about Christs words and the Prophets.

How do you know?

everything begotten of god, heaven and earth, is the son of God.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Luke 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[RESOLUTION]

everything begotten of god, heaven and earth, is the son of God.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Luke 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Was Jesus a Jew, a Christian or the Son of God?

 

[Fool]

Was Jesus a Jew,

supposedly

a Christian

the term was only coined after his earthly incarnation ended.

or the Son of God?

yes, one of many.

 

[Fool]

As the Son of God would either be more important than Christ himself?

god is not a respecter of person.

Sometimes we let what we think we know become more important than what we need to know.

like idolatry; which the bible doesn't condone?

Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

the prophets were all known to be the mouth of God.

Since Judaism and Christianity are connect by truth and the word of God coming to man by the power of Gods Spirit.
Then surely the truth being Christ should centre around what he has done and what he has said.

christ isn't exclusive to jesus. john 21:15

You simply have to decide whether or not to follow Christ... If following him and obeying him means you know the truth and it sets you free. Then surely like the OT what you see come to pass is the truth about Christs words and the Prophets.

to be free of idolatry is to be no respecter of personalities.

How do you know?

by knowing self

No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

 

[RESOLUTION]

god is not a respecter of person.

like idolatry; which the bible doesn't condone?

the prophets were all known to be the mouth of God.

christ isn't exclusive to jesus. john 21:15

to be free of idolatry is to be no respecter of personalities.

by knowing self

No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

I am sorry 'fool' I am not willing to enter into a competition of words. King James Bible
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

This is no longer about the subject you originally referred to. Taking scripture out of context and answering out of context does nothing to support your cause or your questions.

Example: Respecter of persons... Means God treats no one differently,

That whoever does what is right is acceptable to God. But you appear to want to prove yourself in some way.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 is about the New Covenant in Christ... Where all shall know him from the greatest to the least.
But the devil knows Christ and he knows God, why is he not saved? We are saved by the grace of God. We don't need clever arguments for the Spirit does his own work through us and gives us all we need to know. It is understanding we must have.
Joel 2:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I am not clever and I claim no superior knowledge. I trust God for all I say and he keeps his promises.

 

[Fool]

I am sorry 'fool' I am not willing to enter into a competition of words. King James Bible
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

This is no longer about the subject you originally referred to. Taking scripture out of context and answering out of context does nothing to support your cause or your questions.

Example: Respecter of persons... Means God treats no one differently,

That whoever does what is right is acceptable to God. But you appear to want to prove yourself in some way.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 is about the New Covenant in Christ... Where all shall know him from the greatest to the least.
But the devil knows Christ and he knows God, why is he not saved? We are saved by the grace of God. We don't need clever arguments for the Spirit does his own work through us and gives us all we need to know. It is understanding we must have.
Joel 2:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I am not clever and I claim no superior knowledge. I trust God for all I say and he keeps his promises.

christ is in the heart

But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

john 21:15

ARNION

 

[RESOLUTION]

christ is in the heart

But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

john 21:15

ARNION

As I said, Fool,

I do not wish to maintain a competition on quoting scripture out of context as if in a battle.
This is not about preaching Christ crucified and risen. It isn't about telling others what our beliefs and hopes are in Christ.

What you are doing does not glorify Christ or God. Which is why I want no part of this discussion with you.
Christ also said:King James Bible
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

All believers need to heed and do as Christ says. I have no competition and nothing to prove.
Two commandments, Love God and Love your neighbour as yourself, The only examples I believe God expects from us in Christ. The world has enough enemies. So you see Christians cannot divide.

 

[Fool]

As I said, Fool,

I do not wish to maintain a competition on quoting scripture out of context as if in a battle.
This is not about preaching Christ crucified and risen. It isn't about telling others what our beliefs and hopes are in Christ.

this a discussion and debate board and thread.

What you are doing does not glorify Christ or God. Which is why I want no part of this discussion with you.
Christ also said:King James Bible
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

this thread isn't about me. the discussion is about Jesus who was a representative of christ.

All believers need to heed and do as Christ says. I have no competition and nothing to prove.
Two commandments, Love God and Love your neighbour as yourself, The only examples I believe God expects from us in Christ. The world has enough enemies. So you see Christians cannot divide.

i'm not exclusively a christian. i share some things in common with christians but idolatry isn't one of them.

loving self as god and loving other as self and as a manifestation of god's spirit are the two greatest commandments.

this is christ in all, or All in all.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us

notice it says no man, that includes Jesus.

 

[1213]

was jesus for/against judaism? would jesus be for/against today's christianity?

Jesus was against hypocrites. Todays “Christians” are similarly hypocrite as the Jews were.

Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
Luke 12:1

 

[Fool]

Jesus was against hypocrites. Todays “Christians” are similarly hypocrite as the Jews were.

Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
Luke 12:1

hypocrisy


means to cover up, conceal and revelation means to uncover, or reveal.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home."



He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

goes to show you can manipulate an idol for profit by creating a cult of personality

One could differ with me with one's own reasons and arguments, it does me no harm, please
Regards

 

[RESOLUTION]

this a discussion and debate board and thread.

this thread isn't about me. the discussion is about Jesus who was a representative of christ.

Jesus is Christ?

i'm not exclusively a christian. i share some things in common with christians but idolatry isn't one of them.

Idolatry can take many forms. Christians don't commit idolatry.

loving self as god and loving other as self and as a manifestation of god's spirit are the two greatest commandments.

this is christ in all, or All in all.

Loving God is not about loving self as God! Loving God with all your heart, mind, body and soul is about loving him more than you love yourself. Loving your neighbour as self is about doing unto them as you want others to do to you.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Explain what happened to Saul. It is one thing to claim to have something another to actually be lead by what you claim,.

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us

notice it says no man, that includes Jesus.

Jesus said: " I know from whence I came and where I am going,," Stephen in Acts 7 we see as a man and alive he said:

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

As you can see Stephen recognised God and Jesus sat at his side. With the New Covenant came the new.
The former things no longer exist and there is no reason why someone in Christ and the Spirit cannot see God now. We don't live in bible age we live in the age of God with man.
King James Bible
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Don't settle for anything but the truth...

 

[Desert Snake]

When jesus talks in the NT, we can get an idea of 'jewish' or israelite normative beliefs, about certain subjects. So, Jesus may have said something, with no opposition from the jewish listeners, but in modern Judaism, it would be opposed/argued.

We can't always tell if modern judaism would align with say, Pharisee perspective or belief, regarding specifics.


The Essenes, an Israelite group, were many of the first "Christians", this indicates that they especially were aligned already with many of the beliefs that Jesus taught.

 

[shunyadragon]

Don't settle for anything but the truth...

Your post was impossible, because of bad formting

Truth!?!?!?! From fallible humans? I would settle for humility, understanding, and compassion. Claims of 'Truth' are too egocentric and hazardous to the future of humanity,