We're not.So what exactly are you two arguing about?
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We're not.So what exactly are you two arguing about?
OUTHOUSE............... question.......
Was the Galilee district a kind of 'no go' area for the authorities? Seen as a bad place to be?
I'm interested because Jesus definitely seemed to feel safer around the shoreline and general area.
Come to think of it (although you mostly seem to discount the nativity stories) Joseph avoided the Jerusalem area and circuited to Galilee on his return from Egypt. Further to that, earlier, could Joseph have legged it to Egypt because of a heavy tax bill that he could not pay?
What happened to those who could not pay their taxes? This Census business reads all wrong....... the Romans wanted taxes, bottom line, they surely would not move people around for just a census, more like a census and tax return. Was Joseph as poor as you reckon?
I've read through the the Gospels, and nearly every passage can fit with what you claim, that Jesus was calling for non-violent and passive non-co-operation with the invaders, and warning against the 'vichy' type priesthood who were clearly 'quisling' type '5th columnists'. Modern words for ancient traitors!
Hi OUTHOUSE......... Thankyou for replying..
Wow! 4ish miles away there was a Roman community? Are you reading this? Wiki offers many suggestions for the name of Nazareth, and here are two:-
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maybe because it was a temporary holding area?
why Jesus liked to make speeches from just off the shoreline in boats?
. Goodness, history has a way of repetition, was this a concentration camp?
I would not throw anything from Matthew, Mark or Luke away. I would look again. And then again
But he saw a chance and got out. By following a star
Did you know "son of god" was a roman term that started and was used just before Jesus was born?
Augustus witnessed a shooting star or comet, and then proclaimed it was his resurrected father Caesar, and that he was the "son of god"
He minted coins, that had a star on them. Again all this right before Jesus was born, and Jesus legends were recorded over 70 years after this time, by people from another culture far removed from these events.
Many belive that historically, this is where the Bethleham star legend comes from.
Just who do you think is impressed by this pedantry?If we look at the cultural anthropology of Nazareth ...
Just who do you think is impressed by this pedantry?
But, on the off chance that I'm wrong and that you're doing something beyond posturing, why not reference (let us say) three peer review articles on the cultural anthropology of Nazareth so that we might judge for ourselves the relevance? After all, if you call on us to look at this work, it's more than reasonable to expect that you have some worthwhile examples that we might look at.
Few dialogues prove as underwhelming as these fleeting instances of outhouse contra outhouse.If we look at the cultural anthropology of Nazareth ...... Understanding first century cultural anthropology of Nazareth is missing of course, less what can be interpreted from scripture. Anthrolpology has what, a few pottery shards, a possible bath house, and some oil lamps from a previous culture.?
OUTHOUSE................
part quote:- when you ramble off all those parables, they loose all the meaning.
Hi....
I have set aside most of Jesus's parables, and have only taken interest in things that he did, places he is reported to have gone, etc etc.....
I do want to isolate all of his parables for scrutiny.
If Jesus was campaigning for support from Galileans and other Jews, for 'non-cooperation with the invaders', and also showing them how they could cope mentally and physically with daily difficulties...... even preparing themselves for death, then to use an indirect communication technique was shrewd and 'safer'.
One direct speech would have been enough to hang him. And so, to read all those parables again would interest me greatly.
OK....... so Jesus eventually 'lost it' when faced with what was happening to his people's sacred places, and this caused him to show himself, but those parables were shrewd. I just wonder how Jesus felt that the crowd would click onto his wavelength about these, because his disciples did not! He was constantly having to explain every sentence to them. Maybe that aspect is a mis-report, and Jesus was in fact explaining his technique and showing how his speeches would awake ideas in folks later on.
But in any case, he did have a defence (through innuendo) if accused of sedition, etc....
Ok youll have to imagine a bit.
We have a teacher healer from a small poverty stricken village, he travels to other small villages teaching and healing for dinner scraps, so that he and probably 2-4 others could survive. Reed and Meyers and Crossan think the few apostles would have went into these villages and exclaimed a wise teacher is coming, trying to gather enough of a crowd that he could spread his message and heal for the common hard working peasants of Galilee.
he would have used parables and told just a few slowly so that their importance could sink in, some of these were very profound and needed to be obsorbed.
He did not charge, but loved to go into ones house or shelter and preach around the dinner table. many meals consisted of flat bread dipped in a vinegar, and olive oil, lentels were popular, and some fish, not much meat at all less holidays. A few mixed seasonal vegetables off and on. Ah yes windowless houses lit with a single oil lamp.
There were poor people, and food was not always plentiful.
You cannot isolate all his parables because we dont know exactly how many were actually his, or modified/redacted for a Roman audience. Q and Thomas are your best bets, but its not alltogther certain either.
They would not have hung him in villages who were basically "like minded" not for peaceful resistance, not for talking about a god who would save Jews from Roman oppression. I dont think he ever had the popularity of JtB until after his death, and he was well aware of what he could get away with. I think he polished JtB mistakes and knew better then to become such a target. hence the traveling teaching and healing and moving on.
How much of his message was political? good question.
We know he wanted to bring god in the home, and stop the money going into the corrupt temple
Thankyou for that outline...........
So some parables may not have been his, or adapted? OK.... I'll bear that in mind as I read. There might be semantical differences that just show, (like John!).
This pm I bought John Crosson's The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, because he was one of your quoted authors (£0.99p + post!!)
Actually, Ebay offers the Q gospel now for as little as £6, whereas some university was recently asking £67 for it, so I need to get that because, unlike GThomas, I can't download it.
You seemed to back-peddle in the above post over 'political'. I'll take that into mind as I read Crosson..........
All the best,