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Was Jesus Androgynous?

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
God made them in his image, male "and" female.


So if Jesus was God, was they androgynous?

Being at least a spiritual student of these matters, I'd say that when Jesus said he was god he definitely didn't imply that to mean something special. If you are "of the spirit" and "god" is then you and god are fundamentally made of the same stuff, so logically this condition isn't unique in and of itself. Hence, there is much ballyhooing about a thing called a soul which is little more than a car for your consciousness - Jesus was talking about your fundamental essence, but charlatans got into the mix and conflated the two things. Jesus was just a man, like anyone else...
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
God made Adam and Eve male and female. That does not mean that Adam was both male and female and Eve was both male and female. It means God made some people male and some female. It is humans who want to blur the lines and say men cal call themselves women or women can call themselves male. This is man's idea not God's.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Unless he had polka dot panties under that robe I do not even see how it is relevant. Most depiction of Jesus are just European in nature and if he existed he was undoubtedly a grimy, dirty looking Arab/Jew like everyone else back then living in a desert. I see now problems with how he would have looked as if it every affected his message. I very sure Plato and Socrates looked worse by then considering their descriptions.
 

TheGospel

New Member
The image of God is seen by the attributes of God. We are made in God's image is a way of saying male and female possess qualities that differ from one another. An example would be that men have a masculinity trait that makes us as men strong, dominant, leaders, where as women posses feminine traits such as being more emotionally driven, good nurturing skills by default, loving, etc....God is a being that possess these qualities in the entirety of his being.

That's why the bible says when a man and woman marry the two become one flesh. It's referencing the mingling of mind, body, and spirit together thereby completing the image of God in the joining of marriage as man and woman.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
God made them in his image, male "and" female.


So if Jesus was God, was they androgynous?


To answer your Thread, If Jesus was God.

First you would have to know what part of Jesus was human and what part of Jesus was God.
The human part of Jesus was the human body of flesh and blood.
The other part of Jesus was God, Inside of human body of flesh and blood.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But is Jesus God?

no because everything exists within God based on exodus 3:14. we are all gods within God, or all in ALL

John 1
3 Through him all things were made; without(outside, or apart from) him nothing was made that has been made.

or

Isaiah 66 filling the heavens and earth

or

Jeremiah 23:24 again god fills his creation, his offspring.


 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
God made Adam and Eve male and female. That does not mean that Adam was both male and female and Eve was both male and female. It means God made some people male and some female. It is humans who want to blur the lines and say men cal call themselves women or women can call themselves male. This is man's idea not God's.
male and female didn't come until genesis 2. prior to that all of mankind were like adam before the split, they all mankind were male "and" female, not male "or" female.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
To answer your Thread, If Jesus was God.

First you would have to know what part of Jesus was human and what part of Jesus was God.
The human part of Jesus was the human body of flesh and blood.
The other part of Jesus was God, Inside of human body of flesh and blood.

i agree. the body is a temple, an earthly manifestation, or construct. god isn't a thing stored neatly in box that mankind can build, contain, or control. .


a man's body is his home, his castle. one should not allow the despoiling of the temple of the Lord


behold i come like a thief


blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord lest he go naked and they see his shame
from the house of the lord we bless you in the temple.


it only takes a spark to start a great conflagration, or a candle to the light the world. camelot on a hill cannot be hid.


But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

self exposed as I AM

the Lord appeared in a reflection of flames

let it burn!!! LET IT BURN!!!!!


Luke 12:49
[ Not Peace but Division ] “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!


 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Jesus was made of a women as a man. Now Adam might have been an hermaphrodite before God removed Eve from him. Chew on that!


i'm having trepidations about chewing on a hermaphrodite. i think i'd rather ruminate on something else, maybe chew the cud?

:confused:o_O
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Jesus was circumcised according to the Gospel of Luke.

And that's the game!
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Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, "Woman, here is your son,"
*stereotypical Jewish mother voice* Would it KILL you to call me 'mother'? You were NEVER a good son: always, with the running off and insulting us ... you realize the Mosaic rules said we could KILL bratty little kids such as yourself, right? Don't I deserve at least a LITTLE respect?

It means God made some people male and some female. It is humans who want to blur the lines and say men cal call themselves women or women can call themselves male. This is man's idea not God's.
But God made DNA and it makes gender more complicated, so, yes, God's idea.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
naw

the idea was that if God is androgynous then if Jesus was exclusively god then was he too?
God is Spirit, not human, male or female.

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24

Clearly the NT portrays the Son of God who came to earth, while in the flesh, in the Person of Jesus, as male.
 
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74x12

Well-Known Member
God made them in his image, male "and" female.


So if Jesus was God, was they androgynous?
But how did God make Eve? taking her from man. So we both male and female were originally one in Adam. Jesus came as the second Adam.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
God made them in his image, male "and" female.


So if Jesus was God, was they androgynous?
Since when did you come to the conclusion that the word "image" has anything at all to do with physical appearance?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Wouldn't male and female being made in the image of, assuming it means physical image- have that as a given?
A physical image is the only kind of image there is. The word "image" refers to the representation of something's physical appearance. Most people prefer to pretend that this isn't the case, and that in the Bible, the word "image" means something entirely different from what it means 100% of the rest of the time.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
God is Spirit, not human, male or female.

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24

Clearly the NT portrays the Son of God who came to earth, while in the flesh, in the Person of Jesus, as male.
the Spirit can create both forms, images, either male and female or male or female.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
But how did God make Eve? taking her from man. So we both male and female were originally one in Adam. Jesus came as the second Adam.
mary came as the second eve. the mother of all living.




meet me after midnight


 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
This seems to verify what the OP said.

Before Adam and Eve: The First Intersex Person

As does basically every translation of the Genesis passage. God indeed made Man in Their image, male-and-female. Although the original Man was, according this basically a dual-bodied person "joined at the hip." You see, the "rib" of a tabernacle is a side of it.

However, it becomes complicated.

More Than Just Male and Female: The Six Genders in Classical Judaism

It turns out there are six genders in ancient Judaism.

1. Male (Zachar)
2. Female (Nekeivah)
3. Perfect Hermaphrodite (Androgynos)
4. Underdeveloped (TumTum)
5. "Female at Birth" (Ay'lonit) -> Usually referring to barren women rather than other intersex conditions
6. "Male at Birth" (Saris) -> A sterile man. Also has a separate subcategory for eunuchs.

Jesus was not (during his life, anyway) a Androgynos, or Hermaphrodite. This is something widely believed by Gnostics, however, for reasons explained here, this would not be considered okay in terms of his "without blemish" status. Both the TumTum and the Androgynos are largely restricted in temple ceremony. The TumTum can only play the shofar for themselves, the Androgynos can play it only for other Androgynos. It is assumed, therefore, the same is the case for temple ceremony, so we have Luke 4:16-21 where he reads the scroll to other people. Androgynos are simultaneously "unclean" and "holy", so they can enter the temple despite not being clean (but probably can't lead many ceremonies). Jesus could not have done this if he had either of those conditions (and because of circumcision, trust me, the whole town knew what you were).

He could, however, have been a Saris, because he was a wandering priest rather than a member of Sanhedrin (only reserved for those with child) despite early mastery of the Law that impressed priests. The Saris were able to do most things regular men could do in terms of duty, and was not regarded as "unclean" or "blemished", something required for a sacrifice. This also jives with his scraggy beard but long flowing head hair in many paintings, as well as his seeming indifference to sex when it was basically civic duty for Jews (Catholic abstinence? Nahhhh).

This may not have been true of after the resurrection, as it was said repeatedly "the disciples did not recognize" Jesus. Therefore, it is possible that after the resurrection, Jesus no longer had fixed form at all (shapechanger).

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As a side note, why would Jesus have been sterile? Well, Mary had a baby without a dad involved.

Parthenogenesis (what is termed "virgin birth" and generally viewed as nonexistent in humans, although it happens in lizards and sharks) typically produces a female. They're basically clones. However, parthenogenic lizards sometimes had genetic anomalies such as the scales being coffee colored. In other words, while Jesus would look like a younger twin of his mother, there would be mutations. There are conditions that cause a woman to develop as a man. One of the most common, is called XX male syndrome, which can cause three conditions: 1) appear male, 2) ambiguous, 3) true hermaphrodites (which contrary to popular belief (and the name) is still sex-dominant in humans, meaning that while they can get pregnant or make someone pregnant they can't do both).

Jesus, would have been #1.

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Moreover, while Jews soundly reject Jesus, he did fulfill his stated purpose as blood sacrifice, by being a person not suited to be the main body of Jewish priests (which, like most males was expected to pass on, that is to procreate). This one could not pass on, so he was more fit for the sort of life Jesus lived.

In final days, however, we have Christian prophecy drawing parallels to the idyllic setting of Eden (while being more grand and majestic). It could be possible that like the unity of good/evil, this Jesus will appear as more like a woman with something extra. Which explains a great deal about why we see "whore of Babylon" and the "woman who has a crown of 12 stars around her head." This sounds like nonsense, until you understand that much of Judaism and Christianity is from a monistic perspective, and the glass broken in Jewish weddings is about the fragmented creation. Also, there are twelve stars in the EU flag. Currently, the EU is corrupt, confusing "unity" as one wide open zone for crime and injustice to reign, for open treason against Europeans by having a third-party body make all the decisions for it (rather than each state having its own laws and rights and only agreeing to move the countries in a unified direction of lasting prosperity that becomes a beacon to the world). This is the whore of Babylon.

The passage speaks at length of her groaning as in pregnancy (what is she pregnant with would be the New Earth, not to be confused with the New World Order, which is what selfish dictator types want) and a Dragon trying to undermine her. And then we have War in Heaven, a Beast, the Lamb and the 144000 Jews, the fall of Babylon, and preparation for Judgement Day. Remember Wisdom and Folly? This is what we call a callback. We have the unfaithful woman, and the woman who if her act wasn't clean in the first place, cleaned up her act. This is all prep-work for a world where unity also means sovereignty.
 
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