Was Jesus crucified on a Friday or on any other day of the week?

[URAVIP2ME]

He has all power because of the fact that He omnipotently decided that he can't.
He can be present everywhere because He has a location in heaven where He dwells and still can be right next to you.
He omnipotently gave you choices but because He knows your heart He knows what choice you are going to make.
Deut 30:19 - the choice to serve Him or serve someone else
Joshua 24:15 is a just a global statement of fact with exceptions (since Joshua himself was serving God along with Caleb and others). They still had the individual choice.
Now, to really get to the nitty gritty because we could just go back and forth on this... could you share with me what your specific area of interest was? In other words, since the previous poster was stating that in response to testing the spirits, why bring up those specific points in response?

Thank you for your reply.
God has self-imposed limits of what He can and can Not do. 'Can't lie' means: Not omnipotent.
Just as God can't be unjust, cheat, be wrong, or unloving, and God can Not make us obey.
That means God chooses Not to use foreknowledge of one's free-will choices.
There would be No point to offer us a choice if we had No choice in the matter.
What would be the point of ' working out one's salvation ' - Philippians 2:12 - if one could Not work out one's salvation ?
According to Scripture God is Not everywhere but He can send His holy spirit.- Psalm 104:30
What would be the point of ' testing the spirits ' - 1st John 4:1,2; 1st Cor. 12:10 - if one could Not test them ? Test to see which ones originates with God to see if the origin is in Scripture or Not - Deut. 13:1-5; 18:20-22; Galatians 5:22,23 - which comes from, or results from, searching or researching the Scriptures as did the people of Acts 17:11 who made a daily diligent investigation to see if what they were hearing and learning was really what the Bible really teaches.

 

[Kolibri]

That means God chooses Not to use foreknowledge of one's free-will choices.
There would be No point to offer us a choice if we had No choice in the matter.

In my personal Bible reading I ran across Isa 5:4,7 recently. It too bears in on the fact that God does not foreknow everything. Not that he can't but that very much chooses not to.

What more could I have done for my vineyard
That I have not already done?
Why, when I hoped for grapes,
Did it produce only wild grapes?
- Isaiah 5:4

For the vineyard of Jehovah of armies is the house of Israel;
The men of Judah are the plantation (or "planting.") he was found of.
He kept hoping for justice,
But look! there was injustice;
For righteousness,
But look! a cry of distress.
- Isaiah 5:7

How can God hope if all final decisions and actions of men are pre-known?

 

[peacecrusader888]

Kolibri,
re: "'Day and Night' is an idiom that can mean a part of a [calendar?] day."


Do you know of any writing from the 1st century or before which shows that a daytime and/or a night time was said to be involved with an event when the event absolutely couldn't have included at least a portion of the daytime and at least a portion of the night time?

@rstrats
Yes, Kolibri, “Do you know of any writing from the 1st century or before ...?” Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that “the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Isn’t that 72 hours? And not about 36 hours only if Jesus was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on Sunday?

 

[peacecrusader888]

You'll have to prove #2. And your definition of #3. (I have no issue with capacity to lay out the future, but the Bible teaches he restrains his foreknowledge from dictating personal salvation.)
No issues with #1

Jesus is God as explicitly as said in the book of Revelation. In that book, one has to understand that it is God who is speaking and John is the one writing down what He was seeing and hearing. God, in Revelation 22:16, revealed who He is. He is Jesus!

So the names of God is not only Jehovah as said in Isaiah 12:2, 26:4; Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; but also I am that I am as in Exodus 3:14, and Jesus an in Revelation 22:16. He is not the archangel Michael who was one of eight archangels that God created.

Jesus is true God and true man. He is the second person in the Trinity, the Word.

 

[Kenny]

Thank you for your reply.
God has self-imposed limits of what He can and can Not do. 'Can't lie' means: Not omnipotent.
Just as God can't be unjust, cheat, be wrong, or unloving, and God can Not make us obey.

As an opinion, I'm not sure that qualifies. First, we are the ones that are defining what "omnipotence" is. For all I know, our definition is wrong. If He is omnipotent, why can He self-impose limits? If He can't make self imposed limits, then we could say He isn't omnipotent.

That means God chooses Not to use foreknowledge of one's free-will choices.
There would be No point to offer us a choice if we had No choice in the matter.
What would be the point of ' working out one's salvation ' - Philippians 2:12 - if one could Not work out one's salvation ?

So, because you do have free will, you can make a choice.

According to Scripture God is Not everywhere but He can send His holy spirit.- Psalm 104:30
What would be the point of ' testing the spirits ' - 1st John 4:1,2; 1st Cor. 12:10 - if one could Not test them ? Test to see which ones originates with God to see if the origin is in Scripture or Not - Deut. 13:1-5; 18:20-22; Galatians 5:22,23 - which comes from, or results from, searching or researching the Scriptures as did the people of Acts 17:11 who made a daily diligent investigation to see if what they were hearing and learning was really what the Bible really teaches.

I would call this "Take a position and find something or anything out of context to make it work

 

[Kolibri]

@rstrats
Yes, Kolibri, “Do you know of any writing from the 1st century or before ...?” Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that “the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Isn’t that 72 hours? And not about 36 hours only if Jesus was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on Sunday?

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There are times when the Hebrews used ‘day and night’ to mean only a portion of a solar day of 24 hours. For example, 1 Kings 12:5, 12 tells of Rehoboam’s asking Jeroboam and the Israelites to “go away for three days” and then return to him. That he did not mean three full 24-hour days but, rather, a portion of each of three days is seen by the fact that the people came back to him “on the third day.” At Matthew 12:40 the same meaning is given to the “three days and three nights” of Jesus’ stay in Sheol. As the record shows, he was raised to life on “the third day.” The Jewish priests clearly understood this to be the meaning of Jesus’ words, since, in their effort to block his resurrection, they quoted Jesus as saying: “After three days I am to be raised up,” and then they requested Pilate to issue a command for “the grave to be made secure until the third day.”—Mt 27:62-66; 28:1-6; note other examples in Ge 42:17, 18; Es 4:16; 5:1.
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So, yes, 3 examples. Let's break them down. (The first 2 show how a day can be understood to mean a portion of a day, the 3rd shows the breakdown of day and night also meaning a portion of a day.)

1 Kings 12:5 - At this he said to them: "Go away for three days; then return to me." So the people went away.
1 Kings 12:12 - Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, just as the king had said: "Return to me on the third day."

Ge 42:17,18 - With that he put them together in custody for three days. Joseph said to them on the third day: "Do this and live, for I fear God."

Es 4:16 - "Go, gather all the Jews who are found in Shu'shan and fast in my behalf. Do not eat or drink for three days, night and day. I along with my female attendants will also fast. I will go in to the king, which is against the law, and if I am to perish, I will perish."
Es 5:1 - On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner courtyard of the king's house, opposite the king's house, while the king was sitting on his royal throne in the royal house opposite the entrance.
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According to the accounts in Matthew, Jesus died around 3pm on Nisan 14th, remained dead all of the 15th, and was resurrected in the pre-dawn hours of the 16th.

 

[Kolibri]

Jesus is God as explicitly as said in the book of Revelation. In that book, one has to understand that it is God who is speaking and John is the one writing down what He was seeing and hearing. God, in Revelation 22:16, revealed who He is. He is Jesus!

So the names of God is not only Jehovah as said in Isaiah 12:2, 26:4; Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; but also I am that I am as in Exodus 3:14, and Jesus an in Revelation 22:16. He is not the archangel Michael who was one of eight archangels that God created.

Jesus is true God and true man. He is the second person in the Trinity, the Word.

8 archangels? where is that in scripture? there is only one listed in the Bible proper, and in those scriptures archangel is always in the singular.

I personally dislike the way Exodus 3:14 is translated without keeping with the verb tense as found in the Hebrew. Then it gets twisted into a link to John 8:58, when the KJV chooses to present Jesus clear words (in Greek) about the length of his life, prior to being strictly human, as a title.

Regarding Re 22:16, how does that prove Jesus is God? Rather, let's look closer at Re 1:1.

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

The message came from God -> Jesus -> Jesus' messenger -> John. Re 22:16 specifying the angel as being Jesus' by no means link him with God as Re 1:1 already separated Jesus from God.

 

[peacecrusader888]

How can God have all power since God can Not lie ?_______- Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 ?

How can God be present everywhere at the same time when God's home dwelling location is located in heaven according to 1st Kings 8 :30,34,3639,43,45,49; Hebrews 9:24 ?

How can God know everything when God chose to give all of us choices?
What is the choice given us by God at Deuteronomy 30:19 ?
What choice did Joshua make at Joshua 24:15 ?

@Kolibri
Where is heaven? Where is the New Jerusalem? Does God hear you in your prayer if you don’t open your mouth? Does God hear you if you open your mouth and whisper? Or say your prayers aloud?

FYI, God is in you, in your heart. God is everywhere He created. Jesus said in Luke 19:40 when asked to rebuke His disciples, “I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.” He knows if you obey or disobey His commandments. Even if no one saw the murder, God knows who did it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

@Kolibri
Where is heaven? Where is the New Jerusalem? Does God hear you in your prayer if you don’t open your mouth? Does God hear you if you open your mouth and whisper? Or say your prayers aloud?
FYI, God is in you, in your heart. God is everywhere He created. Jesus said in Luke 19:40 when asked to rebuke His disciples, “I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.” He knows if you obey or disobey His commandments. Even if no one saw the murder, God knows who did it.

Isn't an already committed murder past tense?_______
There is Nothing in Scripture saying God chooses to know in advance about murdering.
A person, of their own free-will choice, chooses to murder without God making that choice for the person involved. Sure God knows if we obeyed or disobeyed (past tense ) but God does Not make us obey or disobey - Deut. 30:19

 

[URAVIP2ME]

@Kolibri
FYI, God is in you, in your heart.

Please tell us what Jesus said about the heart at Matthew 15:19

What is written about the heart at Jeremiah 17:9 ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus is God as explicitly as said in the book of Revelation.

In that book, one has to understand that it is God who is speaking and John is the one writing down what He was seeing and hearing. God, in Revelation 22:16, revealed who He is. He is Jesus!
So the names of God is not only Jehovah as said in Isaiah 12:2, 26:4; Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; but also I am that I am as in Exodus 3:14, and Jesus an in Revelation 22:16. He is not the archangel Michael who was one of eight archangels that God created.
Jesus is true God and true man. He is the second person in the Trinity, the Word.

"I am " is Not the Tetragrammaton standing for YHWH and never will be.
Who are the two LORD/Lord's at Psalm 110:1 ?____________
In KJV Bibles the LORD ( all upper-case letters) is where the Tetragrammaton name stands.
In KJV Bibles the Lord ( in some lower-case letters ) never does the Tetragrammaton appear.

What does John write about Jesus at Revelation1:5; 3:14 B ?
Doesn't John write Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God ?________

According to Psalm 90 v 2 God had No beginning.
That means God is the only One before the beginning.
Jesus is Not before the beginning as God is before the beginning.
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev. 3:14

 

[Kenny]

"I am " is Not the Tetragrammaton standing for YHWH and never will be.
Who are the two LORD/Lord's at Psalm 110:1 ?____________
In KJV Bibles the LORD ( all upper-case letters) is where the Tetragrammaton name stands.
In KJV Bibles the Lord ( in some lower-case letters ) never does the Tetragrammaton appear.

What does John write about Jesus at Revelation1:5; 3:14 B ?
Doesn't John write Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God ?________

According to Psalm 90 v 2 God had No beginning.
That means God is the only One before the beginning.
Jesus is Not before the beginning as God is before the beginning.
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev. 3:14

I wouldn't agree. The BODY of Jesus had a beginning.

Isaiah said Jesus was the Everlasting Father. And certainly in Revelation it equates Jesus as God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I wouldn't agree. The BODY of Jesus had a beginning.
Isaiah said Jesus was the Everlasting Father.

Thank you for your reply, and I would be willing to agree the body of Jesus had a beginning, but I would be referring to the ' heavenly pre-human spirit body ' of Jesus had a beginning.
Rev. 1:5; 3:14 mentions Jesus as the beginning of the creation by God.
Heavenly creation existed before any physical earthly creation came on the scene.

Yes, one title Jesus has is ' Everlasting Father '.
The word ' father ' means: life giver
Please notice Rev. 1:18 because Jesus is given the keys to unlock the grave for mankind.
Who gave Jesus the power to resurrect people ?__________
While on earth Scripture says Jesus resurrected people back to healthy physical life on earth.
In other words, Jesus became their ' life giver ' or ' father ' by giving them back their life to the glory of God. We know those people eventually died again. They need a resurrection.
( some resurrected to heaven - Rev. 20:6, - but the majority of mankind - John 3:13 ; Acts 2:34 - to be restored later back to healthy physical life on earth - Acts 24:15 )
During Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth, Jesus will again restore people to life again. This time earthly life on earth can be forever, or in other words, Jesus will now be mankind's ' Everlasting Father ' to the glory of God because the resurrected can then live forever in fulfillment of Jesus promise as referred to at Psalm 37:11,29

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In my personal Bible reading I ran across Isa 5:4,7 recently. It too bears in on the fact that God does not foreknow everything. Not that he can't but that very much chooses not to.
What more could I have done for my vineyard
That I have not already done?
Why, when I hoped for grapes,
Did it produce only wild grapes?
- Isaiah 5:4
For the vineyard of Jehovah of armies is the house of Israel;
The men of Judah are the plantation (or "planting.") he was found of.
He kept hoping for justice,
But look! there was injustice;
For righteousness,
But look! a cry of distress.
- Isaiah 5:7
How can God hope if all final decisions and actions of men are pre-known?

I am wondering if you might have a further comment in connection to Jeremiah 2:21 ?

 

[Kenny]

Thank you for your reply, and I would be willing to agree the body of Jesus had a beginning, but I would be referring to the ' heavenly pre-human spirit body ' of Jesus had a beginning.
Rev. 1:5; 3:14 mentions Jesus as the beginning of the creation by God.
Heavenly creation existed before any physical earthly creation came on the scene.

Yes, one title Jesus has is ' Everlasting Father '.
The word ' father ' means: life giver
Please notice Rev. 1:18 because Jesus is given the keys to unlock the grave for mankind.
Who gave Jesus the power to resurrect people ?__________
While on earth Scripture says Jesus resurrected people back to healthy physical life on earth.
In other words, Jesus became their ' life giver ' or ' father ' by giving them back their life to the glory of God. We know those people eventually died again. They need a resurrection.
( some resurrected to heaven - Rev. 20:6, - but the majority of mankind - John 3:13 ; Acts 2:34 - to be restored later back to healthy physical life on earth - Acts 24:15 )
During Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth, Jesus will again restore people to life again. This time earthly life on earth can be forever, or in other words, Jesus will now be mankind's ' Everlasting Father ' to the glory of God because the resurrected can then live forever in fulfillment of Jesus promise as referred to at Psalm 37:11,29

Again, you can't apply Jesus's earthly ministry (who gave Jesus the power) to who he was before he had an earthly ministry.

Who is the Alpha and the Omega? _________________________
Who is the Beginning and the Ending? ________________________
Who is the First and the Last? __________________________

 

[Kolibri]

I am wondering if you might have a further comment in connection to Jeremiah 2:21 ?

That most readily applies to Isaiah 5

I planted you as a choice red vine, all of it pure seed;
So how have you turned into the degenerate shoots of a foreign vine before me?
- Jeremiah 2:21

This chapter goes on to expose the process by which the Israelites became a foreign vine in Jehovah's sight. They stopped asking "Where is Jehovah?" and thus became a people that exchanged their God for false ones.

However Jehovah had hoped for the best and he gave them the best start. As indicated by Isaiah 5:4.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Again, you can't apply Jesus's earthly ministry (who gave Jesus the power) to who he was before he had an earthly ministry.
Who is the Alpha and the Omega? _________________________
Who is the Beginning and the Ending? ________________________
Who is the First and the Last? __________________________

You did Not explain why one can't apply who gave Jesus the power before his earthly ministry.
Who had the power to send the heavenly pre-human Jesus to earth ?

The title Alpha and Omega carries the same thought as the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Before YHWH ( Jehovah ) there was No Almighty God.
Jesus is referred to as Mighty God by Isaiah, but not as Almighty God - Tetragrammaton YHWH - Isaiah 44:6.

 

[Kolibri]

@Kolibri
Where is heaven? Where is the New Jerusalem? Does God hear you in your prayer if you don’t open your mouth? Does God hear you if you open your mouth and whisper? Or say your prayers aloud?

FYI, God is in you, in your heart. God is everywhere He created. Jesus said in Luke 19:40 when asked to rebuke His disciples, “I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.” He knows if you obey or disobey His commandments. Even if no one saw the murder, God knows who did it.

The spiritual heavens is the where Jehovah and his angelic sons live - the spirit realm. Where ever this is, it is not the earth. When war broke out in heaven, Satan and his rebel angels were thrown out of heaven and have been invisibly confined to this earth. (Re 12:8,9)

New Jerusalem is not a literal city. Re 21:9 describes this city as the Lamb's wife. Who is the Lamb? - Jesus (John 1:29) Who is the Lamb's wife? - 'Someone' that used to be the Lamb's bride. Paul, in speaking to anointed Christians, described them collectively as "promised...in marriage to one husband...Christ." (2 Cor 11:2) Thus New Jerusalem is the 144,000 "bought from among mankind" in their married like state to Jesus. (Re 14:3,4)

I personally do say some of my prayers verbally and some of them non-verbally. He can still hear me even if I do not speak out-loud as indicated by Nehemiah's experience. (Ne 2:4) As the 139th Psalm points out, there is no place too distant that God can not reach us with his holy spirit. And yet he is not literally right next to us.

You know when I sit down and when I rise up.
You discern my thoughts from afar.
- Psalm 139:2

Jehoavah's reach is omnipresentable, but He himself has a dwelling place in the spirit realm.

Jehovah looks down from heaven;
He sees all the sons of men.
From his place of residence,
He gazes on the inhabitants of the earth.
- Psalm 33:13,14

 

[Kolibri]

Again, you can't apply Jesus's earthly ministry (who gave Jesus the power) to who he was before he had an earthly ministry.

Who is the Alpha and the Omega? _________________________
Who is the Beginning and the Ending? ________________________
Who is the First and the Last? __________________________

By comparing two scriptures we can see that the reasons why God is called the first and the last is different than the reason why Jesus is called it.

First Jesus -

And he laid his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and the Grave. - Re 1:17b,18.

Note the reason for the title that came after it? Jesus was the First one resurrected to immortal life. Since he now has the keys, he is the Last to have been resurrected to such a life directly by God.

Now Jehovah -

This is what Jehovah says,
The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
'I am the first and the last.
There is no God but me.
Who is there like me?
Let him call out and tell it and prove it to me!
- Isaiah 44:6,7a

Not the reason why Jehovah is first and last? There has been and never will be any 'mighty one' as mighty as he. It is for this reason why Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. He is the first almighty one, and the last almighty one.

 

[Kenny]

By comparing two scriptures we can see that the reasons why God is called the first and the last is different than the reason why Jesus is called it.

First Jesus -

And he laid his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and the Grave. - Re 1:17b,18.

Note the reason for the title that came after it? Jesus was the First one resurrected to immortal life. Since he now has the keys, he is the Last to have been resurrected to such a life directly by God.

No go. Notice what it says...
"I am the First and the Last and" which clearly declares that He has a title proceeded by what else He is "and the living one, and I became dead.

This clearly says that the title First and Last (Alpha and Omega). This title is only given to God.

Now Jehovah -

This is what Jehovah says,
The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
'I am the first and the last.
There is no God but me.
Who is there like me?
Let him call out and tell it and prove it to me!
- Isaiah 44:6,7a

Not the reason why Jehovah is first and last? There has been and never will be any 'mighty one' as mighty as he. It is for this reason why Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. He is the first almighty one, and the last almighty one.

??? Jesus is also the "Mighty God".