I had considered where best to respond to your questions. Unfortunately the thread you responded to was an invitation only thread. As your questions are about the crucifixion of Christ this thread I started earlier in the year seems appropriate. Hope that's OK.
Brother may I ask which gospels (I mean out of the four canonical gospels) crucifixion narration do you believe in? Or do you just believe he was crucified, killed, and not believe the rest of the narrations?
I believe in all four of the Canonical Gospels. I have not reason to doubt the text concerning the crucifixion. It is what Romans did. The resurrection and ascension of Christ are extraordinary events and so text needs to be considered as more of a theological rather than literal narrative. There are clues in the text itself of this change. Consider the extraordinary events in Matthew 27:50-53
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
These are now extraordinary events. As the story of the resurrection continues we have the disciples who knew Jesus well initially not able to recognise Him, and Jesus seemingly able to move through walls.
Just one question on that. Is it scriptural? I mean what you said, is it scriptural or an institutional theology? Can you give direct quotes from scripture?
In regards John the Baptist's connection with Elijah:
The prophet Elijah appears in the Hebrew Bible during an important time in Israel’s history to oppose a wicked king and bring revival to the land. Elijah’s ministry marked the beginning of the end of Baal worship in Israel. Elijah first appears in 1 Kings 17:1 when he suddenly appears to challenge Ahab, an evil king who ruled the northern kingdom from 874 to 853 BC. Elijah prophesies a drought to come upon the whole land as consequence for Ahab’s evil.
Elijah is most famous as the central character in a face-off with the prophets of the false god Baal on Mount Carmel (1 Kings 18:17-40). The prophets of Baal call upon their god all day long to rain fire from heaven to no avail. Then Elijah builds an altar of stones, digs a ditch around it, puts the sacrifice on the top of wood and calls for water to be poured over his sacrifice three times. Elijah calls upon God, and God sends fire down from heaven, burns the sacrifice, the wood, and the stones and licks up the water in the ditch. As it was proved the God of Abraham was more powerful than false gods Elijah and the people killed all of the false prophets of Baal, in compliance with God’s command in Deuteronomy 13:5.
After this victory over the false prophets, rain once again fell on the land. However, in spite of victory, Elijah entered a period of wavering faith and depression. Ahab had told his wife, Jezebel, of God's display of power. Rather than turn to God, Jezebel vowed to kill Elijah. Hearing of this, Elijah fled to the wilderness, where he prayed for God to take his life. God refreshed Elijah with food, drink, and sleep instead and His ministry continued. Rather than die a natural death, Elijah was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind 2 Kings 2:1-11.
John the Baptist’s ministry was marked by “the spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17), fulfilling the prophecy of Malachi 4:5-6.
Adapted from:
Who was Elijah in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
Can you give a reference in the Kithab I Íqán please for this?
Also, I should tell you that he was absolutely wrong if he said what you said above.
Because there were many muslims who studied the canonical gospels. And it is not a scholarly view that Muhammed was predicted in the Bible that you have today, it is an evangelical approach. You must separate them. Scholars always had arguments about the problems with this theory of "fulfilment of prophecies". It was dropped as a useless subject to delve in.
Muslims and Christians part company over the authenticity of the Bible of course. Here's what Baha'u'llah had to say:
We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the heavenly Gospel doth not exist amongst the Christians, that it hath ascended unto heaven. How grievously they have erred! How oblivious of the fact that such a statement imputeth the gravest injustice and tyranny to a gracious and loving Providence! How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures, to disappear also? What would be left to that people to cling to from the setting of the day-star of Jesus until the rise of the sun of the Muḥammadan Dispensation? What law could be their stay and guide? How could such people be made the victims of the avenging wrath of God, the omnipotent Avenger? How could they be afflicted with the scourge of chastisement by the heavenly King? Above all, how could the flow of the grace of the All-Bountiful be stayed? How could the ocean of His tender mercies be stilled? We take refuge with God, from that which His creatures have fancied about Him! Exalted is He above their comprehension!
Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán, Pages 81-93
You follow the Muslim scholars which is your culture and upbringing. I follow Christ through the Christian Bible and Baha'u'llah through His Writings. If you do not sincerely believe in the authenticity of Christian scripture anything you say about Jesus will be meaningless to most Christians.
Also if you think that all muslims, all scholars and the scripture are unanimously saying that "Christian Gospels as corrupt". The only unanimous thing is that "people wrote books and attributed it to God".
In other words corrupt?
