Was Jesus Original?

[angellous_evangellous]

Culling through the trash to find intellectual reinforcement is intellectually bankrupt. You're embarrassing yourself.

I've seen graduate papers like this before! :yes:

 

[painted wolf]

Not from successful graduates I hope! Or accredited schools....

wa:do

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Not from successful graduates I hope! Or accredited schools....

wa:do

Education in America is deplorable. :yes:

 

[painted wolf]

Our institutes of higher education are supposed to be much better than that... at least I know my tiny university is, thank goodness.

wa:do

ps. Back on subject... If Horus is to be identified with any biblical figure, it would be Moses. There are far more reliable links between the two stories there.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Our institutes of higher education are supposed to be much better than that... at least I know my tiny university is, thank goodness.

wa:do

ps. Back on subject... If Horus is to be identified with any biblical figure, it would be Moses. There are far more reliable links between the two stories there.

haha that's what you think :biglaugh:

 

[logician]

I have seen this kind of attempt to "debunk" these pagan-Christian comparisons before. The point is not that there are exact parallels between Jesus and Horus, but that myths tend to get borrowed and modified over time. So one would expect to find discrepancies between the Horus myth and the Jesus myth. After all, the claim is one of "influence", not direct descent. Resurrection of a god-man had been a recurrent theme in the Middle East for centuries before Christ, as had stories of god-men born of virgin mothers. These were natural elements that one would expect to crop up in a new myth about a god-man, because they lent credibility in the eyes of converts in those times. To say that Horus, Krishna, Mithras, and other god-men had no influence on the Christian story seems quite incredible, given all the common elements. Any scholar can find dissimilarities, but there are dissimilarities among all the myths with those common elements.

Of course, the naysayers throw the baby out with the bathwater if there is not an EXACT correspondence between the Jesus myth and previous ones, but the truth is mythos get passed on in bits, not in bytes. Virgin births were common themes for many man gods, so was being born in late December and dying and being ressurected in the spring, as these were all common symbolic representations of the natural cycles of dying and rebirth in life. There was nothing original in the Jesus myth, the gospels were even at odds with each other as to what that myth was (each writer created it from his own bias). For some reason some Christians must have Christainity be unique and real, while all other religions be simply made-up. This attitide is simply ludicrous.

 

[painted wolf]

haha that's what you think

I know I'm not graduating without doing a far more proper thesis... I can't even write a basic class paper without five good sources. And I'm only a BA....

wa:do

 

[Willamena]

Is it just me or is it just a little weird that the Ankh and the Crucifix are both extremely important religious symbols? The similarities are a wee bit too close to be coincidence.

As they symbolize similiar things (life, reality, eternity, burden) it's probably not just you (or anyone over the course of human history).

 

[Azakel]

Is it just me or is it just a little weird that the Ankh and the Crucifix are both extremely important religious symbols? The similarities are a wee bit too close to be coincidence.

Well the Ankh not only is a symbol for life, but is Life itself(and I don't think it has had any different meaning as a symbol). While the Cross before Christianity was a Pagan Sun symbol(and was a design for Roman Crucifixion), it was later made into a symbol of life because of the Christian belief that Jesus was Crucified, and not on the idea that they stole it from early religions.
The way I see it, it's like if you took a symbol from another religion and nailed the Savior of a different religion to it, would it surprise anyone if the the followers of the Savior made the symbol there own?

 

[Fatihah]

Records of the Egyptian god Horus have been proven to predate Christ. The two are remarkably similar. I know that some will argue that there are multiple records of Horus so they are not original, but all records of Horus have been proven to predate Jesus. Below are some (most i think) of the similarities between the two.

-born to a virgin
-father a supernatural entity
-foster father of royal descent
-birth announced by angels
-shepherds saw him first at birth
-3 others came later
-birth heralded by a star
-birth date is unknown but celebrated late december
-a leader (Herut for horus, Herod for jesus) tried to have him killed as a child
-theres no record of his life from age 12 to 30
-he stilled the sea
-he walked on water
-cast out demons
-healed the sick
-gave sight to the blind
-he was baptised in a river, and the baptist died from beheading
-he was crucified with 2 thieves
-descended to hell and rose 3 days later
-a woman first found his empty tomb
-hes coming back someday to rule for 1000 years
-he is the savior of humanity
-he was known as:
-the annointed one, the
-the good shepherd
-the lamb of god
-the son of man
-the word
-associated with a sign of a fish
-he was transfigured on a mountain
-one of his key addresses was the sermon on the mount
-and a common portrayal is his virgin mother holding him as a child.

To me this seems pretty damning evidence against the credibility of christianity. If anyone can disprove this, please post. I welcome any facts anybody has to offer. Just please refrain from the ever popular argument that Jesus was real because you feel him in your heart. Put a kid in a dark room at night and he feels the presence of a great many things that dont exist. The mind is quite powerful I appreciate anyfacts and opinions from every religious view. Thank you

Response: In islam, we believe that Jesus was real. However, as you have mentioned, many things have been attributed to him that is rejected in islam and quite possibly, these things can be an imitation of Horus and the many other greek Gods and pagan concepts. His crucifiction,date of birth, etc.