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Was Jesus the Messiah?

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allright

Active Member
disciple said:
How so.
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The spring feasts were fufilled by the Messiah (Jesus) coming as God's suffering servant and dying for the sins of the world
and rising again (first fruits) and Pentecost salvation being offerered to everyone
Summer the time of the harvest
Fall feasts -Jesus returns as the victorious king for judgement and to establish his kingdom fulfilling all the prophecies of Messiah which remained unfufilled after first coming
This age comes to an end.
 
nazz

nazz

Doubting Thomas
I'm actually not expecting any messiah to come and do anything. What he had to do has already been done.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
InChrist said:
I believe at this point in history it is too late for anyone to meet the requirements laid out in the prophecies of scripture which must be met for one to prove they are the Messiah.Jesus Christ has already fulfilled many of these requirements and will fulfill the remainder when He returns to rule from the throne of David in Jerusalem, Israel.

"There are more than 300 Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament. Why? So Israel could identify Him, when in the fullness of time God would send forth his Son (Gal:4:4). The third chapter in the Bible contains the first prophecy of the Messiah's coming, His virgin birth ("the seed of the woman") and His destruction of Satan (Gen:3:15). The prophets declared that He must be of the "lineage of David" (Jer:23:5; 2 Sam:7:10-16 ; Ps:89:3-4) and rule upon David's throne. To prove that Jesus met this criteria, Matthew and Luke begin with the genealogy of Joseph and Mary.

Having rejected Jesus, the Jews still hope for their Messiah to come—but they hope in vain. Jesus Christ fulfilled Malachi:3:1 ("the Lord [Messiah], whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple") when He cast out the money changers and merchants (Mk 11:15). The destruction of the temple 38 years later in A.D. 70 made it impossible during the last 1,923 years for any would-be Messiah to fulfill that scripture. Moreover, all genealogic records were lost in the destruction of the temple, so a future "Messiah" would not be able to prove the necessary descent from David."


excerpt:
The Cradle & the Cross | thebereancall.org
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Isn't that rather convenient? What hasn't matched up - he will do later?
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
allright said:
God told him to name him "Mather-Shalai-Hash-Baz"

Please explain how he fufilled Isaiah 9:6-7
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7:1 tells us we are talking about Isaiah and Ahaz.


Isa 7:1 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

Isa 7:3 Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;

7:10-13 tells us God tells Ahaz to ask for a sign, but Azah feels this would be an imposition.

7:14 tells us THEN God gives AHAZ a sign - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin maiden shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.

NOTE - the sign is for Ahaz whom is with Isaiah!!!!!

8:1 Here he is told to record concerning Mahershalalhashbaz. His ceremonial name.

8:3 He wrote -And I (Isaiah)went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz (Fast to the plunder, swift to the prey.)

8:8 Tells us HE, EMMANUEL.

8:18 Here ISAIAH tells us HE and his CHILDREN are for SIGNS, just as it says up in 7:13-14 and 8:3!

Isa 8:18 Behold, I (Isaiah) and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Isa 7:8 even gives us a time - ...,and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

If you look up Emmanuel in a Strong's, for instance, it will tell you Emmanuel is the name of Isaiah's son - also called Mahershalalhashbaz - Isa 8:3!

Look at 9:6-7 in Hebrew, this is not talking about Jesus. Where they translated it Mighty God - it is probably Mighty warrior - though it doesn't have to be as we are told humans are called god in the Bible - "Ye are gods"

In later verses such as 9:11 it is still talking about Rezin.

Isa 9:11 And YHVH will set up Rezin's foes against him, and join together his enemies;


SO! This all takes place at the time of Resin - and the child is not Messiah, or Jesus.

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Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
the trouble with people is they want everything 'now'

When people read verses about the Messiah and that he will defeat his enemies and will rule as a Prince of Peace, they think it should have or will occur as soon as the Messiah makes his appearance.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
allright said:
The spring feasts were fufilled by the Messiah (Jesus) coming as God's suffering servant and dying for the sins of the world
and rising again (first fruits) and Pentecost salvation being offerered to everyone
Summer the time of the harvest
Fall feasts -Jesus returns as the victorious king for judgement and to establish his kingdom fulfilling all the prophecies of Messiah which remained unfufilled after first coming
This age comes to an end.
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Yes, but you said it explained more than that.
 
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allright

Active Member
Ingledsva said:
7:1 tells us we are talking about Isaiah and Ahaz.



Look at 9:6-7 in Hebrew, this is not talking about Jesus. Where they translated it Mighty God - it is probably Mighty warrior - though it doesn't have to be as we are told humans are called god in the Bible - "Ye are gods"

SO! This all takes place at the time of Resin - and the child is not Messiah, or Jesus.

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Really
Are you claiming Isaiah's son fulfilled Isaiah 9:7 sat upon the throne of David and
over his kingdom to order and establish it. That government was on his shoulders from that time and forever more
That his son was called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
^ Agree, it's a completely baseless Scriptural interpretation, the reasoning is beyond unreasonable, it makes no sense.
 
TheKnight

TheKnight

Guardian of Life
Pegg said:
the trouble with people is they want everything 'now'

When people read verses about the Messiah and that he will defeat his enemies and will rule as a Prince of Peace, they think it should have or will occur as soon as the Messiah makes his appearance.
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He's only relevant as the messiah if he brings the things the messiah is supposed to bring.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
allright said:
Really
Are you claiming Isaiah's son fulfilled Isaiah 9:7 sat upon the throne of David and
over his kingdom to order and establish it. That government was on his shoulders from that time and forever more
That his son was called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
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The two of you need to translate these from the Hebrew.

That Mighty God, for instance, is also Mighty Warrior.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
disciple said:
Is this referring to me?

And, why translate from Hebrew? That person obviously wasn't the Messiah.
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I included you with Allright because you said my post was baseless Scriptural interpretation.

I added translate it from the Hebrew to show it wasn't.

Did I miss something? :)

And you are right - Emmanuel was not the messiah.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Ingledsva said:
I included you with Allright because you said my post was baseless Scriptural interpretation.

I added translate it from the Hebrew to show it wasn't.

Did I miss something? :)

And you are right - Emmanuel was not the messiah.
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Huh? You seem to be mixing people up.

You need to read the verses in sequence, otherwise you'll get the people mixed up.
 
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