Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
It's a problem with 3 days there.
Jesus died on a Friday (supposedly), afternoon/evening, stayed in the tomb over Saturday, and arose on Sunday morning. That's not even 48 hours.
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Was Jonah dead in the belly of the fish/whale?
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Jesus died on a Friday (supposedly), afternoon/evening, stayed in the tomb over Saturday, and arose on Sunday morning. That's not even 48 hours.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Well there I agree with you.
But the corrupted NT-Bible , our Christian friends would have us believe, it should be treated as three days and three night.
Anybody, please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
outhouse
Atheistically
No problem at all.
Just a lack of credible information to make statements with certainty
There is no consensus regarding the exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus, although it is generally agreed by biblical scholars that it was on a Friday on or near Passover (Nisan 15), during the governorship of Pontius Pilate (who ruled AD 2636).[85] Scholars have provided estimates for the year of crucifixion in the range 3033 AD,[86][87][88] with the majority of modern scholars favouring the date April 7, 30 AD.[89][90] Another popular date is Friday, April 3, 33 AD.[91][92]
Since an observational calendar was used during the time of Jesus, including an ascertainment of the new moon and ripening barley harvest, the exact day or even month for Passover in a given year is subject to speculation.[93][94][not in citation given]. Various approaches have been used to estimate the year of the crucifixion, including the canonical Gospels, the chronology of the life of Paul, as well as different astronomical models.
The consensus of modern scholarship is that the New Testament accounts represent a crucifixion occurring on a Friday, but a Thursday or Wednesday crucifixion have also been proposed.[95][96] Some scholars explain a Thursday crucifixion based on a "double sabbath" caused by an extra Passover sabbath falling on Thursday dusk to Friday afternoon, ahead of the normal weekly Sabbath.[95][97] Some have argued that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, not Friday, on the grounds of the mention of "three days and three nights" in Matthew before his resurrection, celebrated on Sunday. Others have countered by saying that this ignores the Jewish idiom by which a "day and night" may refer to any part of a 24-hour period, that the expression in Matthew is idiomatic, not a statement that Jesus was 72 hours in the tomb, and that the many references to a resurrection on the third day do not require three literal nights.[95][98]
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Our friend who believes in history and that history has declared Bible a good source for history purposes (I am paraphrasing) in his creditable opinion. Bible, as Christian say is written for the purpose of recording crucifixion of Jesus. Yet Bible is not sure of date, time, day, year of Crucifixion.
One may correct me if I am wrong. Please
Regards
One may correct me if I am wrong. Please
Regards
outhouse
Atheistically
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Those things are dependent upon repentance -so Jonah would be just fine in that regard, as the people did repent. The prophecy was true -all things considered.
Jer 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jer 18:9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
Jer 18:10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
What is ironic is that Nineveh -the Assyrian capital -was the site of that mass-repentance to what would be perceived as the God of Israel. God calls the Assyrian the rod of his anger against Israel.
Isa 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
I think in the belly, in the tomb, in the grave, all represents a new birth, its the old carnal self being born new, its used in a lot of metaphors in various religions, but that is all it is, a metaphor.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Was Jonah dead in the belly of the fish/whale?
Peace be on you.
According to Holy Quran:
[10:99] Why was there no other people, save the people of Jonah, who should have believed so that their belief would have profited them? When they believed, We removed from them the punishment of disgrace in the present life, and We gave them provision for a while.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1039®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
[21:88] And remember Dhal-Nun, when he went away in anger, and he thought that We would never cause him distress and he cried out in depths of darkness, saying, There is no God but Thou, Holy art Thou. I have indeed been of the wrongdoers.
[21:89] So We heard his prayer and delivered him from the distress. And thus do We deliver the believers.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1714®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
[37:140] And surely Jonah also was one of the Messengers,
[37:141] When he fled to the laden ship;
[37:142] And he cast lots with the crew of the ship and was of the losers.
[37:143] And the fish swallowed him while he was blaming himself.
[37:144] And had he not been of those who glorify God,
[37:145] He would have surely tarried in its belly till the Day of Resurrection.
[37:146] Then We cast him on a bare tract of land, and he was sick;
[37:147] And We caused a plant of gourd to grow over him.
[37:148] And We sent him as a Messenger to a hundred thousand people or more,
[37:149] And they believed; so We gave them provision for a while.
[68:49] So be thou steadfast in carrying out the command of thy Lord, and be not like the Man of the Fish when he called to his Lord and he was full of grief.
REF: alislam.org/quran
Peace be on you.
According to Holy Quran:
[10:99] Why was there no other people, save the people of Jonah, who should have believed so that their belief would have profited them? When they believed, We removed from them the punishment of disgrace in the present life, and We gave them provision for a while.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1039®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
[21:88] And remember Dhal-Nun, when he went away in anger, and he thought that We would never cause him distress and he cried out in depths of darkness, saying, There is no God but Thou, Holy art Thou. I have indeed been of the wrongdoers.
[21:89] So We heard his prayer and delivered him from the distress. And thus do We deliver the believers.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1714®ion=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2
[37:140] And surely Jonah also was one of the Messengers,
[37:141] When he fled to the laden ship;
[37:142] And he cast lots with the crew of the ship and was of the losers.
[37:143] And the fish swallowed him while he was blaming himself.
[37:144] And had he not been of those who glorify God,
[37:145] He would have surely tarried in its belly till the Day of Resurrection.
[37:146] Then We cast him on a bare tract of land, and he was sick;
[37:147] And We caused a plant of gourd to grow over him.
[37:148] And We sent him as a Messenger to a hundred thousand people or more,
[37:149] And they believed; so We gave them provision for a while.
[68:49] So be thou steadfast in carrying out the command of thy Lord, and be not like the Man of the Fish when he called to his Lord and he was full of grief.
REF: alislam.org/quran
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outhouse
Atheistically
Jonah was not dead in the belly of the fish; rather, the 3 days spent in the belly of the fish represent death in the form of the new moon.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Not to mention the mariner, who was a man of infinite-resource-and-sagacity, from Just so Stories.
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
If Dolittle can make a trans-atlantic trip in the shell of snail, why not?
Sapiens
Polymathematician
For those of you who know Him not: Just So Stories, Rudyard Kipling
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Maybe this is how Noah got the koala bears to NZ? He shipped them with the whales!
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Dear Readers, Jonah was in a Special "fish" which was prepared by Jesus.
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
If you follow Goatherder Theology, you may see this fish as a real fish. If you realize that the Supreme Intelligence of Creation is speaking to a bunch of ignorant people who lived thousands of years before Science, you should realize that it would have been easy for the LORD to make an Atomic Submarine and call it a "Great Fish" or anything else He wanted to call it. Right? God Bless all of you.
In Love,
AMan
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Partially digested?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
And without drinkable water. It's all great to be surrounded by water, but salt water isn't that great to drink. We're not fish anymore.
And what about air, oxygen? Maybe he miraculously transformed to a fish, de-evolved, for 3 days?