Was Muhammad a good man?

[1robin]

How you explain Jesus second coming for making wars and killing all disbelievers on earth (Armageddon)

Rev (6:13) and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

Yes the stars are very small and will fall like fig.

Jer (49:14) I have heard a message from the LORD; an envoy was sent to the nations to say, "Assemble yourselves to attack it! Rise up for battle!"

Zec (14:2) I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

it seems Jerusalem is a superpower at those days that all nations is needed to fight one city.

Zec (14:3) Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.

Rev (19:11) I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.

Rev (19:13) He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Rev (19:14) The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

I have never made the point that war is inconsistent with God. I said the type of violence that Muhammad was involved with is not consistent with God. A few of the assassinations that Muhammad witnessed, ordered, or approved of were not even attempted to be explained away by God. One I remember, he did not even know about it until he was told after the event and he praised the act. Others were for the sole reason that Muhammad did not like what those people were saying. People of no threat to Muhammad whatever. Even Muslim sources explain that many raids were for loot alone. If God was ordering any of these things then why did he not do so as God did in the OT. God ordered Gideon to get rid of about 29,700 of his 30,000 man army because God can defeat anyone at any time. Muhammad on the other hand spoke words of peace when weak and set upon his fellow man with an absolute vengeance as soon as he was strong. God does not need to do things like this. It is not that he fought, OT prophets fought, as you say God will fight again at the end. It is the obvious nature of the fighting Muhammad engaged in. Inconvenient poems, personal dislike, money are not things that justify chopping the heads off of surrendered people, ripping babies out of a mother's arms and stabbing her to death, and the enforcement of treaties Muhammad forced on others and killing the people when they did not act according the treaties imposed on them. I do not even read of Allah being involved in any way with many of these. BTW all the peaceful verses used to attempt to counter the violent ones were abrogated by the later more vicious ones. Once I assemble the mountain of material on Muhammad's interminable violent acts into something that can be posted then we will have some specifics to associate with what I claimed here. BTW if Allah was said to come back and fight in the end of days I would not consider that something I am capable of condemning. However what Muhammad did does not look Godly in any aspect what so ever. He appears petty, hostile, and irrational like many other mere men. Both our deities condemn dissbelievers and I can't complain about something identicle in both religions.

 

[1robin]

He knows nothing about the OT (Old-Testament) and the problems that it brings with it.

F0uad this is really getting to be ridiculous. If you can't take criticism of your faith then I am not sure a debate is where you belong. I have never reported a post for violation of rules before but yours are getting close. You are not allowed to speak negatively of posters to other members. You are also bordering on stalking. Why don't you actually show the peacefulness you claim for your faith and stop this stuff before it goes any further? You have said many things I know are incorrect in an attempt to condemn aspects of Christianity. I don't take it personal and make sarcastic comments to others about you. You are doing Allah no service here. There is no honor in this.

 

[FearGod]

I have never made the point that war is inconsistent with God.

Let me stop at your first statement.

So do you think it is OK for Jesus to come back and kill atheists and if you agree,then why you agree ?

religion isn't forced (no compulsion in religion) and Jesus is the love and kindness then why he'll come back to earth for wars and killing instead of peace and love.

Didn't your God Jesus forgive us all,or he'll change his mind or will he sacrify by killing himself again.

Would you please explain it to me ?
What is your thoughts ?

 

[1robin]

Let me stop at your first statement.

So do you think it is OK for Jesus to come back and kill atheists and if you agree,then why you agree ?

A reasonable question. I do not like the fact that Atheists will go to Hell or that some may be killed. BTW I think it is only those that are assaulting Israel that Christ goes to war against. Every single nation Christ says he will battle at the end is currently an Islamic nation. Ethiopia is currently Christian but the Bible means the old Ethiopia (modern Islamic Sudan). I do believe God judges all and the ones who have not been born again die "the second death" so it is really splitting hairs. This is why God may justly kill and Muhammad may not unless specifically requested to by Allah (if and only if it can be proven he exists and has ordered it). God is aware of every scrap of data (past, future, and present) he is also perfectly just. Something no man has ever been. Man is finite and fallible and knows infinitely less that God concerning the information necessary to know that killing is just. It is like but far more extreme than how a Father knows when to act in situations while a kid gets it wrong more than right.

religion isn't forced (no compulsion in religion) and Jesus is the love and kindness then why he'll come back to earth for wars and killing instead of peace and love.

To save his true children. You are confusing what is done when this covenant is terminated with what is done while it is active. The Bible says what will trigger the end is the nations that surround Israel will all attack as they have done so many times in the past. However in this case with the help of many additional nations it looks like Israel will finally be overwhelmed and then Christ will appear and fight for Israel against those nations I mentioned. This takes place outside the covenant we now live under. I do not understand where you are coming from. You and I both believe that God will eliminate those who do not believe from the rest. That is far worse and far more permanent that physical death. If Allah can do that what problem do you have with Jesus justly killing his enemies? It is inconsistent. BTW Allah has killed plenty of his enemies as well. It is Muhammad I was discussing. I do not believe Allah exists but if he did then technically has the right and the knowledge to kill for justified reasons. Muhammad did so for Muhammad's reasons many times.

Didn't your God Jesus forgive us all,or he'll change his mind or will he sacrify by killing himself again.

This reminds me. From above you mistake his final coming as a mission to force faith or religion. That is not the case. When he comes back the offer of salvation is over. It is harvest time, not planting time. Those who have assaulted his children are finally eliminated for all time and this sad tale of misery is concluded. A new heaven and Earth are made and those that have been born again by faith in what he did will be there. I do not understand what you said above. NO, Jesus did not save us all. He made it available to all, it must be accepted through faith to apply. No, he will not die again and I have no idea why you asked that.

Would you please explain it to me ?

What is your thoughts ?

If you meant what was above, then I hope I have but putting these sophisticated issues into a short post does not do it justice. If you are still unclear at least what I believe the Bible claims then please ask again. Revelations is very complex and my take may not be agreed to by all but it is mostly in agreement with orthodox Christianity. BTW there are two additional times that Christ comes back to the one original one. One to gather up the believers (living or dead) and then when the events at the end times take place. We must be careful to distinguish these or things will get very confused.

 

[Alceste]

I love watching two theists go at each other. It's "my dad can beat up your dad", but for people who think they are grown-ups.

 

[FearGod]

I love watching two theists go at each other. It's "my dad can beat up your dad", but for people who think they are grown-ups.

Yes,it is really ridiculous,Jesus will come to fight for his children and not for justice and not for the commandments.

it looks to me as if god is fanatic by fighting for his children of Israel and not for justice and as if muslims aren't god's creation too.

i thought the jews hate jesus,but i was wrong it seems that their father in heaven still fall in love with his children and will come to destroy all nations because of this love.

So i agree with you,my dad in heaven will kill yours.

 

[FearGod]

A reasonable question. I do not like the fact that Atheists will go to Hell or that some may be killed. BTW I think it is only those that are assaulting Israel that Christ goes to war against. Every single nation Christ says he will battle at the end is currently an Islamic nation. Ethiopia is currently Christian but the Bible means the old Ethiopia (modern Islamic Sudan). I do believe God judges all and the ones who have not been born again die "the second death" so it is really splitting hairs. This is why God may justly kill and Muhammad may not unless specifically requested to by Allah (if and only if it can be proven he exists and has ordered it). God is aware of every scrap of data (past, future, and present) he is also perfectly just. Something no man has ever been. Man is finite and fallible and knows infinitely less that God concerning the information necessary to know that killing is just. It is like but far more extreme than how a Father knows when to act in situations while a kid gets it wrong more than right.
To save his true children. You are confusing what is done when this covenant is terminated with what is done while it is active. The Bible says what will trigger the end is the nations that surround Israel will all attack as they have done so many times in the past. However in this case with the help of many additional nations it looks like Israel will finally be overwhelmed and then Christ will appear and fight for Israel against those nations I mentioned. This takes place outside the covenant we now live under. I do not understand where you are coming from. You and I both believe that God will eliminate those who do not believe from the rest. That is far worse and far more permanent that physical death. If Allah can do that what problem do you have with Jesus justly killing his enemies? It is inconsistent. BTW Allah has killed plenty of his enemies as well. It is Muhammad I was discussing. I do not believe Allah exists but if he did then technically has the right and the knowledge to kill for justified reasons. Muhammad did so for Muhammad's reasons many times.
This reminds me. From above you mistake his final coming as a mission to force faith or religion. That is not the case. When he comes back the offer of salvation is over. It is harvest time, not planting time. Those who have assaulted his children are finally eliminated for all time and this sad tale of misery is concluded. A new heaven and Earth are made and those that have been born again by faith in what he did will be there. I do not understand what you said above. NO, Jesus did not save us all. He made it available to all, it must be accepted through faith to apply. No, he will not die again and I have no idea why you asked that.
If you meant what was above, then I hope I have but putting these sophisticated issues into a short post does not do it justice. If you are still unclear at least what I believe the Bible claims then please ask again. Revelations is very complex and my take may not be agreed to by all but it is mostly in agreement with orthodox Christianity. BTW there are two additional times that Christ comes back to the one original one. One to gather up the believers (living or dead) and then when the events at the end times take place. We must be careful to distinguish these or things will get very confused.

So god has children and his purpose is to fight to protect his children.

Do you mean that jews the children of Israel are the believers and those are the saved ones then all of us should protect the children of Israel and fight with Jesus and kill all muslims in order for us to be saved.

 

[1robin]

Yes,it is really ridiculous,Jesus will come to fight for his children and not for justice and not for the commandments.

it looks to me as if god is fanatic by fighting for his children of Israel and not for justice and as if Muslims aren't god's creation too.

God fighting for Israel is a just action. History shows they have been abused and oppressed like no other culture. Just in my lifetime they have been invaded without any justification even theoretically possible by their neighbors, sometimes all at once, over and over. Their enemies keep losing (even though massively outnumbering Israel, in the some of the most lopsided battles in history, these events are also prophesied in the same book as the ones you mentioned) which if a Muslim would cause me to really question who's side God is on but eventually the Bible says they recruit a large portion of the unjust nations and I guess outnumber them a thousand to one or more and finally are able to press home he attack. If any act is consistent with justice it is God's defense of Israel at this time. BTW I said those events triggered the end of days but there are far more issues than this alone that cause God to declare enough is enough. There is a terrible tribulation in the mix, Satan is unbound for one final effort, and many other issues that culminate in this final act by God. You are infinitely over simplifying the issue.

i thought the jews hate jesus,but i was wrong it seems that their father in heaven still fall in love with his children and will come to destroy all nations because of this love.

It was because of a covenant made long ago not because of the Jews take on Christ. At the judgement seat they will be judged as all others are. God is faithful to his promises even if we are not.

So i agree with you,my dad in heaven will kill yours.

Well that may an issue you think is meaningful. I myself think that my father will save me is the more important concept.

 

[1robin]

So god has children and his purpose is to fight to protect his children.

Not his purpose in general, but his specific purpose in that battle yes.

Do you mean that Jews the children of Israel are the believers and those are the saved ones then all of us should protect the children of Israel and fight with Jesus and kill all Muslims in order for us to be saved.

This goes back to covenant relationships made long ago. It also included prophecies about Israel realizing its mistake and repenting before the end comes. Islam claims constantly that Israel must be defeated before the Mahdi can come. I did not say God is coming to kill Muslim’s. I said he claims he will fight (I think) seven nations and they are currently Islamic and hate Israel. However it is not because they are Islamic they will be destroyed but because they without any cause attacked his people for the hundredth and final time.

Here is one example of those verses:

Romans 11:1-2 and 19-23, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying ... Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high-minded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

So when Russia and its allies (Iran, China, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) attack the nation of Israel during the Great Tribulation Period, God will be defending a nation of many Christians at that time. God won't defend a Godless nation today, nor did He in the Old Testament. One of the purposes of the Tribulation will be to purge Israel to prepare to meet her King, Who will reign from the throne of David in Jerusalem during the Millennium. This will follow the 7 year Tribulation period. You can learn much more on the Prophecy Page of this website.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/israel.htm

BTW there are many messianic Jews that do believe in Christ and they are growing.

I still do not get this. Your book is full of these types of things with far less justification than the BIble.

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

You do not come from some pacifist enlightenment mystery religion. You come from perhaps the most violent religion in history and the one that is causing most of the world's headaches currently. On what basis do you have to say violence done by God all-mighty is wrong. Your prophet killed people for writing poetry critical of him for goodness sakes.

 

[Alceste]

Yes,it is really ridiculous,Jesus will come to fight for his children and not for justice and not for the commandments.

it looks to me as if god is fanatic by fighting for his children of Israel and not for justice and as if muslims aren't god's creation too.

i thought the jews hate jesus,but i was wrong it seems that their father in heaven still fall in love with his children and will come to destroy all nations because of this love.

So i agree with you,my dad in heaven will kill yours.

Mine is already dead. Just ask Nietzsche.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Mine is already dead. Just ask Nietzsche.

Poor Fredrich, I bet his beard is burning in hell since he did not know that the one true god was Pastafari.
Blessed is he amongst meals and may his noodley appendage enlighten the hearts of his followers, rAmen. :fsm:

 

[McBell]

I love watching two theists go at each other. It's "my dad can beat up your dad", but for people who think they are grown-ups.

i agree.
Though I must admit it is much more interesting when you get two people who are never wrong about anything going at it.

 

[1robin]

Mine is already dead. Just ask Nietzsche.

Nietzsche said we killed God. That was not much of a God. However Nietzsche knew what would happen or what was a stake if we actually did so. He said "who gave us a sponge to wipe out the horizon". For me wiping out the horizon in an act for convenience sake which will turn out to be a miserable failure in the end, is not a noble goal.

 

[1robin]

Muhammad at BADR​

I have been avoiding this as it will take forever to evaluate Muhammad’s violent behavior but unfortunately I promised to do it, so I must.
My argument is based on three claims.

1. There is far too much violence perpetrated by Muhammad and his companions and associates than any kind of “defense only” or “in the service of God defense will explain”.
2. The motivation for much of what Muhammad did is obviously in some cases, and more likely than not in others, his own idea and personal motives not Allah’s.
3. That much of the violence Muhammad had a hand in has no significant similarities in the Bible’s OT violent events.

I will list some of his countless violent acts and where possible give a Muslim source and any details that are important. Muslims keep in mind I do not claim omniscience but I do claim sincerity. There may be some of these claims that are debatable but even if I conceded every one there is still so many left that have no reasonable explanation my claims above still stand. I am not bounded by any Islamic Hadiths or accepted scholars. I am only bound by what I find credible.

First I find it very strange the Muhammad only received permission to fight when he was strong. He was quite peaceful and never had to defend himself by killing hundreds of people when he was week. The God of the Bible was able to give VICTORY even when his human resources were very weak. David drove of an entire army off by killing a giant. Gideon was told to send 99% of the army home and the rest drove away a massive army because God was actually with them. However with Muhammad, as in many other instances, he is not acting in the same way.

If you asked many scholars what the Quran says, many would ask, which one? They actually speak of a Meccan Quran and a Medina Quran. Most of the peaceful verses are from the Medina timeframe when he was weak. The terribly violent ones come from the later Medina period when Muhammad was strong. BTW the later violent verses abrogate (over turn) the earlier peaceful ones so many of those verses used in defense of Islam and its peacefulness are actually invalidated by the violent verses.

As scholars and Islamic Jurisprudence experts well know:
Rather than explain away inconsistencies in passages regulating the Muslim community, many jurists acknowledge the differences but accept that latter verses trump earlier verses. Most scholars divide the Qur'an into verses revealed by Muhammad in Mecca when his community of followers was weak and more inclined to compromise, and those revealed in Medina, where Muhammad's strength grew.
Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam :: Middle East Quarterly


Now would any unbiased person think that Muhammad was told by an almighty God to get along until he was strong and then he was told to assassinate, oppress, invade, and retaliate in battle after battle. This looks exactly like a man trying to unite a bunch of separated tribes under a single unifying theology that he invented. God does not need Muhammad’s henchmen to accomplish what he wishes. He could destroy Muhammad’s enemies in a nano-second even if Muhammad was on vacation and had no followers. The biblical God accomplished tasks vastly grander with no army at all. Again this looks like a man not a God writing this stuff. It will not work to suggest that he did not have any offenses to defend against until he got to Medina either. He was resented in both places and he started many of the fights in Medina as I will shortly demonstrate.

I guess Chronology is the way to go, although the Quran’s writers thought mixing everything up a better way.

The context of Muhammad’s followers immediately before his career of violence began was he had moved to Mecca because a tribe there had offered him their fighters in trade for him becoming their leader. Up until this time he had been resented by most of Medina and he had few followers. (BTW I am sure there were wrongs on both sides in Medina). He and his men were poor, hungry, apparently frustrated with some wrongs suffered in Medina at the hands of the Quraysh, and looking for revenge. The significant tribes and families of Yathrib wished him to unite them and bring peace to the feuding there. They got the exact opposite. This is a good place to include the fact that for the first peaceful 13 years of Islam, Muhammad had around 150 followers and over the next 10 violent years that increased to around 100,000. It seems Islam thrives on violence.

I will post these chronologically but not exhaustively.

1. The first significant action was the AL IS Caravan raid. Muhammad set out to attack and plunder a caravan led by Abu Jahl. Apparently the 300 people with the caravan were too many for the Muslims as a third party talked both sides out of fighting.
Source: Indian Muslim author Saif ur-Rahman Mubarakpuri
Comments: Now if Allah had ordered this raid what are the Muslims doing giving up? If not then why were they attacking to begin with? Most sources say loot and pleasure.

Continued below:

 

[1robin]

2. The next important one is Battle of Badr. However there were between 5 and 11 Islamic raids on caravans in between the first one and this one. At this point Muhammad and the Qurayash had been skirmishing back and forth for years.

In late 623 and early 624, the Muslim ghazawāt grew increasingly brazen and commonplace. In September 623, Muhammad himself led a force of 200 in an unsuccessful raid against a large caravan. Shortly thereafter, the Meccan’s launched their own "raid" against Medina, although its purpose was just to steal some livestock which belonged to the Muslims. In January 624, the Muslims ambushed a Meccan caravan near Nakhlah, only forty kilometers outside of Mecca, killing one of the guards and formally inaugurating a blood feud with the Meccans. Worse, from a Meccan standpoint, the raid occurred in the month of Rajab, a truce month sacred to the Meccans in which fighting was prohibited and a clear affront to their pagan traditions. and neither side knew who started what by this time.
Hodgson, pp.174–175.

Muhammad had heard that this year’s caravans were filled with many goods and much revenue. He set out to attack them at a well site.

By this time Muhammad's companions were approaching the wells where he planned to either waylay the caravan, or to fight the Meccan army at Badr, along the Syrian trade route where the caravan would be expected to stop or the Meccan army to come for its protection. However, several Muslim scouts were discovered by scouts from the caravan and Abu Sufyan made a hasty turn towards Yanbu.
Ibn Ishaq

Hubab ibn al-Mundhir, however, asked him if this choice was divine instruction or Muhammad's own opinion. When Muhammad responded in the latter, Hubab suggested that the Muslims occupy the well closest to the Quraishi army, and block off the other ones. Muhammad accepted this decision and moved right away.

According to Muslim scholar "Saifur Rahman al Mubarakpuri", a Quran verse was revealed ordering the execution of one of the captives, Nadr bin Harith. After this revelation, Nadr bin Harith was subsequently beheaded by Ali.
Later the command to kill Uqba bin Abu Muayt was given, and he was subsequently beheaded by Asim Bin Thabit Ansari (some sources say Ali beheaded him).

This is also (I believe) the first of the "Islam or suffer (or die)" demands from Muhammad:
Having returned to Medina after the battle, Muhammad admonished the resident Jewish tribe of Qaynuqa to accept Islam or face a similar fate as the Quraish (3:12-13)

Muhammad apparently decided to even the scores with many folks when he returned victorious and could now kill who he wished. I will cover these later but they can be found at the link. Many were simply poets who wrote poems that were not flattering to Muhammad or people who complained about his brutality.
Islam 101 by Gregory M. Davis - Jihad Watch

Comments: According to Hodgson (on of Americas greatest secular Islamic scholars) illustrated that Muhammad had been raiding constantly and had made an already bad situation much worse before this event. In fact raiding caravans was an almost universal practice among Bedouin Arabians, Muhammad simply made theft Holy (or tried to). What part does Allah have in raiding caravans to get loot and stirring up all this bad blood? Why is Muhammad raiding based on how rich the caravans are instead of by divine command? It is obvious Allah had not authorized this because Muhammad was deciding why, when, and where war was to be fought independent of Allah. Why did Allah tell Muhammad to execute unarmed combatants long after the battle and after they were a threat to anyone. The closest thing in the Bible to this is the instructions to kill everyone within the context of a battle. It even says specifically why and if God exists it was perfectly justified. Allah on the other hand seems to send commands as soon as Muhammad wants to do something. My God gave the loot from battles but never justified battles to get the loot. As we go along these difference become far more severe and numerous.


I will do this a little at a time. I have over a hundred more to go if I list them all and this will become unmanageable very fast. I will wait a bit for any contentions and address them before going on. There is at least 10 times the info on this one battle that I need to post but this is getting out of hand quickly. Please forgive any Medina v/s Mecca mistakes I made. It is difficult to always get them right. For an in-depth analysis on this battle see also original article by Anwar Shaikh a renowned Indian Islamic scholar and historian

 

[Aquitaine]

Uh-oh, he's using the serious font now - **** just got real.

 

[1robin]

Uh-oh, he's using the serious font now - **** just got real.

You discovered the carefully guarded and concealed all important fact that my keyboard works. I guess Muhammad was a pacifist after all. That is not exactly what I meant by I will await contentions.

 

[Assad91]

"What Muhammad (saws) a good man?"





Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d reported: Ibn Umar’s foot became numb, so a man said to him, “Remember the person you love the most,” so Ibn Umar said, “O Muhammad.”
Source: Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 964
Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Bukhari


Abu Umamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “I have been sent as mercy and guidance for the worlds, that I will annul the idols, the flutes, the instruments, and the affairs of ignorance.”
[At-Tabarani, Al-Mu’jam Al-Kabeer, Number 7757, Hasan]


Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, Allah looked at the hearts of the servants and He found that the heart of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the best among them; so He choose him for Himself and He sent him with His message; then, He looked at the hearts of His servants after Muhammad, and He found that the hearts of his companions were the best among them; thus, He made them into the ministers of His Prophet, fighting for the sake of his religion; and whatever the Muslims view as good is good in the sight of Allah, and whatever they view as evil is evil in the sight of Allah.”
[Musnad Ahmad, Number 3589, Hasan]


Yes

 

[Sha'irullah]

"What Muhammad (saws) a good man?"





Abdur Rahman ibn Sa’d reported: Ibn Umar’s foot became numb, so a man said to him, “Remember the person you love the most,” so Ibn Umar said, “O Muhammad.”
Source: Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 964
Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Bukhari


Abu Umamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “I have been sent as mercy and guidance for the worlds, that I will annul the idols, the flutes, the instruments, and the affairs of ignorance.”
[At-Tabarani, Al-Mu’jam Al-Kabeer, Number 7757, Hasan]


Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, Allah looked at the hearts of the servants and He found that the heart of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the best among them; so He choose him for Himself and He sent him with His message; then, He looked at the hearts of His servants after Muhammad, and He found that the hearts of his companions were the best among them; thus, He made them into the ministers of His Prophet, fighting for the sake of his religion; and whatever the Muslims view as good is good in the sight of Allah, and whatever they view as evil is evil in the sight of Allah.”
[Musnad Ahmad, Number 3589, Hasan]


Yes

Well I am not always going to have the utmost positive outlook on Muhammad but I am not going to say anything negative about him because as a whole I view his existence as necessary during that era of Arabia.

I love these narrations because they are so impressive . Everytime I read them it makes me release my inner Muslim sometimes

 

[F0uad]

Robin your biggest mistake:

That much of the violence Muhammad had a hand in has no significant similarities in the Bible’s OT violent events.

In the 23 years that Mohammed(saws) lived only 1500 people died this includes hes side and the enemy wherein the Bible commanded Moses(pbuh) to kill 3000 people in one single day.