Was Muhammad mad?

[icehorse]

I picture Muhammad to be a warrior, who stood by his faith, defending it. Many people compare him to Jesus for example, and Jesus wasn't a warrior and didn't defend the faith as Muhammad did. I've read that many were trying to kill Muhammad due to his beliefs, etc...so, I guess it's a matter of perspectives.

Well... defending it or spreading it?

 

[Deidre]

Well... defending it or spreading it?

I've read conflicting things about this, like he was defending the faith, and didn't force others to accept it. Even the Qur'an speaks against forcing people to convert to Islam. Then, I read things that point to he was spreading the faith ''by the sword.'' What to believe, Idk. Sometimes I wonder if a prophet's actions are meant to be taken as something that the followers of the religion need to ''mirror?'' You know? Or is that something followers assume about their respective religions.

I mean, in Christianity, I strive to ''be like'' Jesus, but does that mean I shouldn't defend my life, if people who didn't follow my faith wanted to kill me? Jesus accepted His death, and didn't fight back. So, where do we draw the line, I guess. If that makes sense.

 

[Augustus]

How can one be mad and go to war with 1,000 vs 10,000 soldiers and come out victorious? Maybe some people don't like Muhammad because he reminds them of their own failures.

It's not really that uncommon in ancient battles for one side to win with such a significant numerical disadvantage.

In the Battle of Cerami it is claimed that around 300 Normans defeated 50,000 Muslim invaders.

Numbers in ancient battles are usually massively overstated so it was likely closer to 5,000 than 50,000, but more than 10 to 1 disadvantages were overcome reasonably often. Morale, experience and discipline were always more important as if even a smallish number of troops are routed then the army is in big trouble as their formation collapses.


Battle of Cerami - Wikipedia

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

How can one be a hypocrite when one is known to be as trustworthy?

Your Freudian slip is noted..
If one is known to be as trustworthy as a hypocrite then i think we hit the nail on the ol' MohamHead.

 

[sovietchild]

It's not really that uncommon in ancient battles for one side to win with such a significant numerical disadvantage.

In the Battle of Cerami it is claimed that around 300 Normans defeated 50,000 Muslim invaders.

Numbers in ancient battles are usually massively overstated so it was likely closer to 5,000 than 50,000, but more than 10 to 1 disadvantages were overcome reasonably often. Morale, experience and discipline were always more important as if even a smallish number of troops are routed then the army is in big trouble as their formation collapses.


Battle of Cerami - Wikipedia

The question still remains. How can one be a psychopath, go to war with 1 soldier and fight 10 soldiers and come out victorious? He is probably good at fooling his opponent, and a wise man.

Those people who don't like Muhammad is because maybe he reminds them of what they lack.

 

[Augustus]

The question still remains. How can one be a psychopath, go to war with 1 soldier and fight 10 soldiers and come out victorious? He is probably good at fooling his opponent, and a wise man.

To be clear, I think it is completely pointless to speculate on the mental health of people from 1400 years ago based on highly mythologised stories.

As a hypothetical point though, it is possible for an army with a psychopathic leader to win a battle. Given that ancient warfare relied significantly on armies not routing out of fear, it could perhaps sometimes be a good thing to be fearless and aggressive.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

I've read conflicting things about this, like he was defending the faith, and didn't force others to accept it. Even the Qur'an speaks against forcing people to convert to Islam. Then, I read things that point to he was spreading the faith ''by the sword.'' What to believe, Idk. Sometimes I wonder if a prophet's actions are meant to be taken as something that the followers of the religion need to ''mirror?'' You know? Or is that something followers assume about their respective religions.

I mean, in Christianity, I strive to ''be like'' Jesus, but does that mean I shouldn't defend my life, if people who didn't follow my faith wanted to kill me? Jesus accepted His death, and didn't fight back. So, where do we draw the line, I guess. If that makes sense.

The Quran is self contradictory at many points.
It is perfectly natural to defend your life, even with lethal force.
Before you "believe" a man didn't defend himself without fighting back, you better check to see how many facts you can find evidence for on any such story. What kind of monster would have you lay down and let some psycho kill you? To defend your humanity is to defend all people.

 

[Deidre]

The Quran is self contradictory at many points.
It is perfectly natural to defend your life, even with lethal force.
Before you "believe" a man didn't defend himself without fighting back, you better check to see how many facts you can find evidence for on any such story. What kind of monster would have you lay down and let some psycho kill you? To defend your humanity is to defend all people.

Are you talking about defending in the conventional sense?

 

[Notanumber]

The question still remains. How can one be a psychopath, go to war with 1 soldier and fight 10 soldiers and come out victorious? He is probably good at fooling his opponent, and a wise man.

Those people who don't like Muhammad is because maybe he reminds them of what they lack.

He certainly managed to fool his followers if that makes him a wise man.

I am glad that I lack what Muhammad had because otherwise I am sure I would be locked up by now.

 

[sovietchild]

He certainly managed to fool his followers if that makes him a wise man.

I am glad that I lack what Muhammad had because otherwise I am sure I would be locked up by now.

He was actually a good man. How can one be a good man and be locked up? Maybe because one opposed the opposition.

 

[Notanumber]

He was actually a good man. How can one be a good man and be locked up? Maybe because one opposed the opposition.

If you think he was a good man, I would hate to meet the man that you thought was evil.

 

[Fire_Monkey]

How can one be mad and go to war with 1,000 vs 10,000 soldiers and come out victorious? Maybe some people don't like Muhammad because he reminds them of their own failures.

Uh, noooooo, I think many people dislike Mohammed because he was a delusional murderous pedophile who founded a religion that has become as pestilent as a deadly virus.

I am a combat veteran. I drove an Abrams A1A tank in Iraq during two 14 month tours. I reckon me and my crew killed around 100-150 Muslim enemy combatants. I regret none of it. That said, I can tell you that there are no shortage of good combat leaders who are otherwise mentally unhinged.

And you? You know what, exactly, about effective combat leadership?

Besides, there is zero evidence your boy Mo the pedophile was a good field leader. He may have only raised the army and incited them to battle and actually did nothing useful in the way of tactics or strategy of fighting skills. This is likely the story.

The world would be s far better place had Mohammed not been born.

And now comes the..........Period.


LOL

 

[sovietchild]

Uh, noooooo, I think many people dislike Mohammed because he was a delusional murderous pedophile who founded a religion that has become as pestilent as a deadly virus.

I am a combat veteran. I drove an Abrams A1A tank in Iraq during two 14 month tours. I reckon me and my crew killed around 100-150 Muslim enemy combatants. I regret none of it. That said, I can tell you that there are no shortage of good combat leaders who are otherwise mentally unhinged.

And you? You know what, exactly, about effective combat leadership?

Besides, there is zero evidence your boy Mo the pedophile was a good field leader. He may have only raised the army and incited them to battle and actually did nothing useful in the way of tactics or strategy of fighting skills. This is likely the story.

The world would be s far better place had Mohammed not been born.

And now comes the..........Period.


LOL

Maybe some people don't like him because he reminds them of themselves.

 

[Fire_Monkey]

LOL........You're funny!

Run along now, mommy has dinner ready upstairs!

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

Are you talking about defending in the conventional sense?

Yes, physical self defense. You can also consider mental and emotional defense as well, they are necessary.
To be physically assaulted or in any way deliberately denied your sense of health and well being is ABUSE, inhumane treatment and that is tyranny by any definition, by any perpetrator, great or small.

 

[Deidre]

Yes, physical self defense. You can also consider mental and emotional defense as well, they are necessary.
To be physically assaulted or in any way deliberately denied your sense of health and well being is ABUSE, inhumane treatment and that is tyranny by any definition, by any perpetrator, great or small.

It was, but Jesus didn't blame God for it, He blamed His persecutors. (who have free will, etc) Faith is subjective, so not everyone believes the same stories.

 

[psychoslice]

And what the quran says?

Yes indeed.

 

[psychoslice]

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I don't think it's stupid and no I don't believe the prophet muhammad was mad.

of course you would say that.

 

[psychoslice]

The guy in the video just quoted narrations without the correct explanation but I guess that was his goal.
As muslims we eat with the right hand, shake hands with the right hand and when performing the small ablution we always start with the right hand. It's part of our Islamic tradition and personally I don't think it matters if you think these beliefs are stupid.

I'll come with a lot more yet so be waiting.

 

[psychoslice]

“Narrated (Abu Huraira): The prophet said, ‘If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.’” Vol. 4, Bk. 54, No. 537

Chapter 32: A BELIEVER EATS IN ONE INTESTINE WHEREAS A NON-BELIEVER EATS IN SEVEN INTESTINES

Ibn Umar reported Allah’s messenger as saying that a non-Muslim eats in seven intestines whereas a Muslim eats in one intestine. (Sahih Muslim, No. 5113)

FINGER LICKING GOOD

Muhammad forbade his followers from wiping their hands after eating until and unless they or someone else licks them clean!

“Narrated Ibn Abbas: The prophet said, ‘When you eat, do not wipe your hand till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else.’” Vol. 7, Bk., No. 366