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Was Muhammad the final prophet?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
It's just in some countries , you can get the death penalty for criticizing Muhammad (peace be upon him)... what's wrong with calling a sinner a sinner and being critical of behavior that is morally reprehensible?
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Did Muhammad claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?


It is mentioned in the Quraan

33:40

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing.

So yes according to Islam, he is the last prophet and there is not prophets after him.

According to Islam, Muhammad peace be upon him, just like the other prohets ( Jesus and Moses peace be upon them and many more) are men of the highest example. They are people to be followed. They were send by God and purified. They didn't make any serious mistakes because God always guided them to deliver their message. They were living the message they were preaching every second they lived. However, in islam, they are still humans, and not seen as gods.


However, one has to understand that if something was done by the prophet in the sixth century, it doesn't mean that the exact thing should be done in the 21st century. The important question in islam when doing anything is to check whether it is accepted by the shariah law, meaning the Quraan and the Sunnah of the prophet.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Anyway, the world BADLY needs a new prophet! Monotheism is extremely divided with good sincere seekers coming to many opposite and confusing conclusions.

Why is it that all the sign and wonder workers and prophets had to live in a time where there was no media or ability to scientifically verify that it actually happened?...

There are more hungry souls than ever...yet God refuses to raise up shepherds who will verify that the sacred text is true and that God does exist.

I think it's terrible that when the world is most in need of prophets and healers, God refuses to provide them...why?

Also Tell me...how does a person know the Koran is true?
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Also Tell me...how does a person know the Koran is true?

There isn't a certain way to how one finds out. There are several ways in which this has happened. But the two essential things are:

1- Wanting to know the truth and being sincere about it.

2- Working towards that end and being ready to give it his everything.

There is a saying that "good things come for those who wait". I don't believe in it, not in that particular topic anyways.

Don't expect someone to come and convince you that Koran is true. That is something that one has to do by himself. That is because for one to find the truth, he has to want it first and he has to work towards that end.

If you are curious to see how some people see truth in the Koran and Islam, you can search some youtube videos. I would recommend a series called Guided by the Quraan, or you can just check some random videos like for yusuf estes or joshua evans.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No prophet can annul Mosaic Law (the Torah). The Torah is the yardstick by which to measure and if the message is out of line with Torah, it is rejected.

Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Qur'an 2:75,79

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! Qur'an 3:78

But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. Qur'an 5:13

Those who claim to follow the Torah actually follow their Rabbis. Amongst other things, they reject the notion of Hell and Judgement Day. Jesus, peace be upon him rebuked them strongly in Matthew 23 of the NT.

Can you show me how the message of the Qur'an is so different to the Mosaic Laws?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Ahmadis and Baha'i would maybe disagree but what is a prophet?,apparently every nation was sent one,we're still waiting for ours.

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

To be fair thats how it was back then,its not nice though.

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

Like the satanic verses?,he was human after all.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Qur'an 2:75,79

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! Qur'an 3:78

But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. Qur'an 5:13

Those who claim to follow the Torah actually follow their Rabbis. Amongst other things, they reject the notion of Hell and Judgement Day. Jesus, peace be upon him rebuked them strongly in Matthew 23 of the NT.

Can you show me how the message of the Qur'an is so different to the Mosaic Laws?

- Laws of Kashrut

- The stories differ/contradict (i.e, the account of satan)

- Qur'an says Jesus is the Messiah and the Tanach does not back this claim.

- Festivals

- Penalties for certain crimes (nowhere is hand chopping mentioned in Torah)

Also, yes, Jews follow Rabbis. Not sure why people have such a problem with this.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?
Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?
I suspect too much is made of this "marriage." What did it involve? What would the girl's situation have been had she not married? How did her status and treatment actually change?
There are many cultural variations in family and intersexual arrangements. Our familiar, black-and-white, child-fiancee-wife categories aren't universal.

As for defending the prophet's reputation, a house of straw needs to be more vigorously defended than a house of stone. If you know in your heart that your ego-identity is based on an unsupported myth, you'll defend it rabidly.


It is mentioned in the Quraan

33:40

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing.
Does this mean he was the latest prophet, or the final prophet for all time?
How is the original Arabic to be interpreted? His social and moral values seem seriously culture-bound.


 
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MohammadPali

Active Member
Anyway, the world BADLY needs a new prophet! Monotheism is extremely divided with good sincere seekers coming to many opposite and confusing conclusions.

Why is it that all the sign and wonder workers and prophets had to live in a time where there was no media or ability to scientifically verify that it actually happened?...

There are more hungry souls than ever...yet God refuses to raise up shepherds who will verify that the sacred text is true and that God does exist.

I think it's terrible that when the world is most in need of prophets and healers, God refuses to provide them...why?

Also Tell me...how does a person know the Koran is true?




You need to read the sealed nectar. If you want to know about the phrophet mohammad, his back ground, his lineage, the reason why he became a prophet, the events leading to him becoming a phrophet from his grand father. And then you will realize why we love this man, because he went through exactly what everyone goes through, he had no parents, he was an orphan, he had no siblings, no older brother, no nothing.

And people hated him, and the very people who hated him became his most staunch believers. Amazing man, not because im a muslim, you have to read it.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You need to read the sealed nectar. If you want to know about the phrophet mohammad, his back ground, his lineage, the reason why he became a prophet, the events leading to him becoming a phrophet from his grand father. And then you will realize why we love this man, because he went through exactly what everyone goes through, he had no parents, he was an orphan, he had no siblings, no older brother, no nothing.

And people hated him, and the very people who hated him became his most staunch believers. Amazing man, not because im a muslim, you have to read it.
Thanks! I like that he was an orphan and despised... just remember to be patient with his enemies. They might become his staunch supporters.

Anyway, I talk to Muhammad sometimes. I hope he is my friend...
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
- Laws of Kashrut

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Qur'an 5:3

To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah you all return together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. Qur'an 5:48

Isaiah 42 makes it clear a New Song ill be sung from Arabia, a new non Jewish Prophet would come for the Gentiles.

- The stories differ/contradict (i.e, the account of satan)
As the Qur'an says, they changed much of what was revealed and changed the narrative elsewhere to suit themselves. Take one of the most important stories within the Abrahamic faith, that of the sacrificial son. Can you briefly outline the Torah narrative regarding who Abraham married, how many children he had, who was born first and what happened to his first born?


- Qur'an says Jesus is the Messiah and the Tanach does not back this claim.
The Dead Sea Scrolls show the Jews were expecting 2 Messiah, one of whom would be a Priestly Messiah, the other a Kingly Messiah descending from the line of King David. Jesus pbuh denied he was the Kingly Messiah.

- Festivals
The Prophet pbuh observed the Jewish festivals, days of fasting, prayers and direction of prayer. Read chapter 2, and notice half way through the Chapter, the narrative changes and starts addressing the Muslims, after telling them their path will be the middle one. On the ground the Jews refused to accept the message, and so the rug was pulled from under their feet and Islam declared a distinct separate religion with it's own festivals, holy day, number of fasts etc

- Penalties for certain crimes (nowhere is hand chopping mentioned in Torah)
What is the punishment for theft, in particular what is the punishment of theft in a case where the thief is a Jew and the victim a non Jew?

Also, yes, Jews follow Rabbis. Not sure why people have such a problem with this.
Because in clear Torah verses, one can not simply read and act on it, they have to ask a Rabbi, and if the Torah says, go left, but the Rabbi insists you go right, then the Rabbi's ruling takes precedent over the word of GOD.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The first Kahlifa Abu Bakar (R.A.) in his historical sermon said:
“And now, he who worships Muhammad (Peace be upon him)Muhammad is dead now. But he who worships Allâh, He is Ever Living and He never dies.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The first Kahlifa Abu Bakar (R.A.) in his historical sermon said:
“And now, he who worships Muhammad (Peace be upon him)Muhammad is dead now. But he who worships Allâh, He is Ever Living and He never dies.
I don't worship Muhammad...I do believe that God passes my messages on to the spirit of Muhammad, peace be upon him.
 
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Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Qur'an 5:3

To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah you all return together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. Qur'an 5:48

Isaiah 42 makes it clear a New Song ill be sung from Arabia, a new non Jewish Prophet would come for the Gentiles.

As the Qur'an says, they changed much of what was revealed and changed the narrative elsewhere to suit themselves. Take one of the most important stories within the Abrahamic faith, that of the sacrificial son. Can you briefly outline the Torah narrative regarding who Abraham married, how many children he had, who was born first and what happened to his first born?


The Dead Sea Scrolls show the Jews were expecting 2 Messiah, one of whom would be a Priestly Messiah, the other a Kingly Messiah descending from the line of King David. Jesus pbuh denied he was the Kingly Messiah.

The Prophet pbuh observed the Jewish festivals, days of fasting, prayers and direction of prayer. Read chapter 2, and notice half way through the Chapter, the narrative changes and starts addressing the Muslims, after telling them their path will be the middle one. On the ground the Jews refused to accept the message, and so the rug was pulled from under their feet and Islam declared a distinct separate religion with it's own festivals, holy day, number of fasts etc

What is the punishment for theft, in particular what is the punishment of theft in a case where the thief is a Jew and the victim a non Jew?


Because in clear Torah verses, one can not simply read and act on it, they have to ask a Rabbi, and if the Torah says, go left, but the Rabbi insists you go right, then the Rabbi's ruling takes precedent over the word of GOD.

1. This is not nearly the same. Kashrut only allows animals with split hooves and that chew the cud, while only fish with scales and fins. It prohibits also blood.

2. The Qur'an can say what it wants. Abraham had one wife and his wife had a handmaid, Hagar, with whom he had a son, Ishmael. He had a son with his wife Sarah and G-d asked Abraham to offer Isaac, his son with Sarah.

3. And Jesus still fulfilled none of the prophecies, whatever your beliefs about messiah.

4. G-d ordained the Jewish festivals to be observed forever. He didn't just change his mind 2000 years later.

5. I'm not sure and I'm in bed on my phone so looking it up is impractical right now. The penalty for theft is generally death iirc.

6. This is a grossly generalised myth that Christians and Muslims like to spout when Torah and Talmud disagree with their own scriptures.
 
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