Was Muhammad the final prophet?

[YmirGF]

Your interpretation is a valid one. The New Earth, new era will not usher in any new revelation from GOD, the Second coming of Jesus pbuh perhaps also known as Brahma, Maitreya etc will take the World back to the right path. Hence if you read what the expected Jewish Messiah is going to do, you'll find he rebuilds the Temple and reinstates the rituals.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the person did come back and explained that part of his/her reason for returning was to dispel the myths about what she/he had come to do and that he/she had no intention of doing what people expected?

 

[Sabour]

This is probably the silliest Islamic belief that Muhammad was the final prophet. It is like scientists declaring Newton to be the final physicist

Being a prophet is something that God gives the prophet. No matter how hard you work, you will not become a prophet. On the other hand, being scientist is something that you would earn by working hard.

 

[Valjean]

It means he is the final prophet.

I dont agree it is culture bound, there are many western people in this century coming to islam and sticking to it in every aspect

But it seems to prescribe a stratified society on a martial footing, with little autonomy or economic opportunity for women, slaves or servants. It presupposes a skewed sex ratio from men being killed in raids and battles, so allows up to four wives.
Like the other Abrahamic religions it attempts to freeze social values and practices at a particular point in time, and discourages progress, but most Christians and Jews are adept at cherry picking what fits current social norms and at ignoring the more draconian prescriptions.

Yes but Noahide belief (i.e, G-d gave Torah on Sinai, understanding of scripture, eschatology etc) is the same as Jewish belief. So we cannot accept Jesus as messiah; Muhammad as a prophet etc. We just have a different Law. Back in Hellenic times we were called 'G-dfearers' - non-Jews who aligned with the Jews in belief, but not Torah observance.

You seem to be saying that if it doesn't agree with the Torah it's illegitimate.
So what makes Torah so authoritative?

Not sure where you got that from?

Narrated Hafsa: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #54)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #55)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Book #54, Hadith #531)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful of a person in the state of Ihram to kill any of these five animals: The scorpion, the rat, the rabid dog, the crow and the kite." (Book #54, Hadith #532)

Perhaps the black dogs you talk of were carrying some sort of disease?

OK, I can see the hazard of rabid dogs running around, and scorpions can sting, and mice eat grain meant for people, but why the antipathy for crows and kites?

 

[Rival]

You seem to be saying that if it doesn't agree with the Torah it's illegitimate.
So what makes Torah so authoritative?

This is a topic I feel an observant Jew is more qualified to answer. In short, the mass revelation at Sinai to the Jews and the faith handed down from that.

 

[Valjean]

This is a topic I feel an observant Jew is more qualified to answer. In short, the mass revelation at Sinai to the Jews and the faith handed down from that.

But this is apocryphal -- at best.

 

[Rival]

But this is apocryphal -- at best.

It's part and parcel of Jewish belief.

 

[Valjean]

Quite true...

 

[Muslim-UK]

OK, I can see the hazard of rabid dogs running around, and scorpions can sting, and mice eat grain meant for people, but why the antipathy for crows and kites?

I'm no expert, but it would seem kites can be quit the nuisance:

Avian predator supporters are letting killer birds terrorise our countryside | Daily Mail Online

"Paul Sargeantson, a builder and smallholder in Oxfordshire, has had all his free-range chicks and ducklings taken by kites. They even attack the meat from his barbecue as soon as it gets on the plate."

He says: ‘The unfortunate truth about the red kite is that they have a voracious appetite for a great range of live prey, such as mice, voles, frogs, leverets [young hares] and the chicks of all ground-nesting birds, including our beloved and endangered lapwings, skylarks and many others.

‘Quite recently, on the BBC’s One Show, we were subjected to the filming of a Chilterns farmer in rapture over dozens of red kites following his plough.

‘It was clearly intended to promote the myth that red kites feed only on earthworms and carrion. I would like to invite the BBC to the Chilterns to observe the obscene spectacle of a large flock of red kites mobbing and harassing lapwings in order to plunder their chicks.’

Another farmer complains of kites and ravens attacking young lambs — and even their mothers.

Crows:

Crows proving a menace in Portsmouth as more people report attacks

The killing of the animals mentioned was later abrogated hence killing without any legal reason is prohibited by the Shariah; killing such as killing ants, shrikes, frogs, etc. is unlawful.

Imams al-Shafi’e, Ahmad, Al Nasa’e, and Ibn Hibban narrated from Amar Ibn al-Shareedthat he said, I heard the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) saying whoever kills a sparrow uselessly, it will raise its sound complaining against him the Day of Judgment, O Lord, so and so killed me uselessly and did not kill me for any benefit”.

Imam al-Shafi’e and al-Hakim narrated in a Hadith which al-Hakim considered Saheeh that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "If a person kills a sparrow or less than a sparrow without right, Allah will question him about it. They asked him, “What is the right O Messenger of Allah? He answered, “Slaughter it and eat it, do not cut its head and throw it”. As for killing animals without any legal reason or considerable benefit, it is not permissible."

 

[Valjean]

I didn't think classical-era Arabs were particularly big on pets, and perhaps if they hadn't eliminated all the mice and scorpions the raptors wouldn't be going after their chickens.
(Did they raise chickens)?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

You can actually trace the mistakes Muhammed made in the Hadith and in the lack of markers that typify biblical prophets:

* 100% prophecy accuracy

* 100% truthtelling

* Etc.

Salman Rushdie was hunted worldwide, for example, by spoofing Muhammed in his fiction work, The Satanic Verses, whose name is derived from the fact that Muhammed had given some Qu'ranic verses than later, said, "Sorry, Satan gave me those verses, let's not claim those are verses from Allah any longer."

Sound like a biblical prophet?

 

[Muslim-UK]

You can actually trace the mistakes Muhammed made in the Hadith and in the lack of markers that typify biblical prophets:

* 100% prophecy accuracy

Please show us a Prophecy that was not written down 'after' the event.

* 100% truthtelling

You mean flat, 7,000 year old created in 7 literal days, with plant life appearing before the sun which was created on 'day' 3 :/

Salman Rushdie was hunted worldwide, for example, by spoofing Muhammed in his fiction work, The Satanic Verses, whose name is derived from the fact that Muhammed had given some Qu'ranic verses than later, said, "Sorry, Satan gave me those verses, let's not claim those are verses from Allah any longer."

Yes huge over reaction from some Muslims over the Rushdie affair, one only had to examine the sources to see it either never happened or was a later fabrication, indeed the verses are nothing like the style of the Qur'an.

Sound like a biblical prophet?

Yes much more so than Saul who went in the opposite direction to Jesus' pbuh commandments, particularly keeping Torah no matter what happens.

 

[Hawkins]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

A prophet is usually a chosen eye-witness of God. Muhammad is not a prophet, he's called a prophet by people with a misconception.

 

[Muslim-UK]

A prophet is usually a chosen eye-witness of God. Muhammad is not a prophet, he's called a prophet by people with a misconception.

No Prophet in History was ever accepted by all his/her people, you could say those who accepted Moses and Jesus pbuh had misconceptions of their own. GOD is firmly behind the Final Messenger and we see the Scripture has been preserved with the message reaching most people on Earth. Projections say, by 2070 it will be the largest Religion on the Planet.

 

[Hawkins]

No Prophet in History was ever accepted by all his/her people, you could say those who accepted Moses and Jesus pbuh had misconceptions of their own. GOD is firmly behind the Final Messenger and we see the Scripture has been preserved with the message reaching most people on Earth. Projections say, by 2070 it will be the largest Religion on the Planet.

No, prophets in the whole OT is about how God selected them to be the eye-witnesses. For humans, the way a truth can convey is by employing direct eye-witnesses to write down their testimonies. It's about a powerful and exclusive way of how a truth can convey among humans.

To put it another way, putting faith in testimonies of eye-witnesses remains the only way for God to convey He's truth to humans, there's no other way round. The other way round can be that He shows Himself up to all humans however this will violate His covenant granted to humans for their salvation.

The whole point of God hiding behind without showing up is that Faith is needed for human salvation. And if God doesn't show up Himself, the only way for humans to know who God is and what He requires humans to do is by employing the prophets as direct witnesses and for them to write down God's deeds then for later humans to know who God is.

 

[Muslim-UK]

No, prophets in the whole OT is about how God selected them to be the eye-witnesses. For humans, the way a truth can convey is by employing direct eye-witnesses to write down their testimonies. It's about a powerful and exclusive way of how a truth can convey among humans.

Perhaps you could give an example of such a Prophet?
Could you also explain the purpose of a Prophet?

 

[Hawkins]

Perhaps you could give an example of such a Prophet?
Could you also explain the purpose of a Prophet?

Moses is thus said to maintain a direct relationship with God, and received direct commands from God. If he said that he's hearing from an angel instead, then he's now no longer a direct eye-witness.

 

[sun rise]

Your interpretation is a valid one. The New Earth, new era will not usher in any new revelation from GOD, the Second coming of Jesus pbuh perhaps also known as Brahma, Maitreya etc will take the World back to the right path. Hence if you read what the expected Jewish Messiah is going to do, you'll find he rebuilds the Temple and reinstates the rituals.

To me, reinstating rituals is going back to the past not into a glorious future. To me every person's heart will become a Temple, a Kaaba, a Church wherein the Truth reigns.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Moses is thus said to maintain a direct relationship with God, and received direct commands from God. If he said that he's hearing from an angel instead, then he's now no longer a direct eye-witness.

Right ok, Moses pbuh. The Torah shows GOD sent Angels to communicate with Moses pbuh on His behalf. It is agreed he had a direct relationship of GOD, as did all the Prophets pbut.

So are we to assume the times he received revelation from Angels, he was a false Prophet?

What did Moses pbuh do with the revelation he received from GOD? Did he preserve it, and if so, how did he do that?

 

[Shia Islam]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Yes. It is in the Quran. And also, just have a thorough study on all of those who claimed to be prophets after him and you will find that they were just absurd!

And as of prophesy, in Shia Islam we believe that God has chosen twelve imams as successors of Muhammad.

And Yes. An Imam can be higher than a prophet.

However. We believe that Muhammad was the best of all God's creations.

Here is the related Quranic verse:

"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing." Quran 33:40.

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

The story of the prophet marriage of Aysha when Aysha was a child is a made up story.

Aysha was a divorcee when the prophet married her.
I talked about this before.
However let me say this..
Whoever will read the Quran and the biography of prophet Muhammad will realize that he was not a man who is after earthly pleasures and young women..

His first wife was 15 years older than him..
She was a great woman who supported Islam with here great wealth..

As of Aysha, she was the daughter of Abu Bakr,
According to Shia Islam,
Abubakr is "Apostle Paul" of Islam! However keep in mind that we believe that Apostle Paul was devil man who corrupted Christianity..

With respect to our Sunni brothers, let me say that we believe that Abu Bakr has claimed to be a Muslim because he knew that Islam will succeed..

He was able in coordination with another man and their two daughter (Aysha is one of them) to kill the prophet!

The Quran itself condemned both of these two ladies...

Aysha made up many Sunni Hadiths ..
The Sunni tried to portray a picture of Aysha as the prophet beloved wife who was very close to him...

However, even a famous Sunni scholar who is called Ibn Saad, mentioned in his ancient book, which was a kind of history book, that Aysha was married to another man before she got divorce and married the prophet.

Also, Aysha joined the prophet in his first Battle Badr, and nobody who is younger than 15 was allowed to join..

All in all, prophets don't make mistakes, otherwise, they are not prophets!

 

[Sabour]

Like the other Abrahamic religions it attempts to freeze social values and practices at a particular point in time, and discourages progress,

I couldnt disagree more