Was Muhammad the final prophet?

[MohammadPali]

Yes. It is in the Quran. And also, just have a thorough study on all of those who claimed to be prophets after him and you will find that they were just absurd!

And as of prophesy, in Shia Islam we believe that God has chosen twelve imams as successors of Muhammad.

And Yes. An Imam can be higher than a prophet.

However. We believe that Muhammad was the best of all God's creations.

Here is the related Quranic verse:

"Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing." Quran 33:40.



The story of the prophet marriage of Aysha when Aysha was a child is a made up story.

Aysha was a divorcee when the prophet married her.
I talked about this before.
However let me say this..
Whoever will read the Quran and the biography of prophet Muhammad will realize that he was not a man who is after earthly pleasures and young women..

His first wife was 15 years older than him..
She was a great woman who supported Islam with here great wealth..

As of Aysha, she was the daughter of Abu Bakr,
According to Shia Islam,
Abubakr is "Apostle Paul" of Islam! However keep in mind that we believe that Apostle Paul was devil man who corrupted Christianity..

With respect to our Sunni brothers, let me say that we believe that Abu Bakr has claimed to be a Muslim because he knew that Islam will succeed..

He was able in coordination with another man and their two daughter (Aysha is one of them) to kill the prophet!

The Quran itself condemned both of these two ladies...

Aysha made up many Sunni Hadiths ..
The Sunni tried to portray a picture of Aysha as the prophet beloved wife who was very close to him...

However, even a famous Sunni scholar who is called Ibn Saad, mentioned in his ancient book, which was a kind of history book, that Aysha was married to another man before she got divorce and married the prophet.

Also, Aysha joined the prophet in his first Battle Badr, and nobody who is younger than 15 was allowed to join..

All in all, prophets don't make mistakes, otherwise, they are not prophets!

Abu bakr was definitely of the rightly guided imams, and nothing like paul, he participated with the rasul pbuh, and was given the title of siddique by the rasul pbuh and the people. He died a few years later, does it make sense that he would usurp and not give it to his son ?

ALSO, you're a shia so you are supposedly close to ali may all be please with him. Okay fine, we love ali too, but you know what ? The people you despise abu bakr, omar, uthman who you call usurper, ALI named 3 of his sons ABU BAKR, OMAR, UTHMAN. The people you said ali despised name 3 of this sons to these men you shia claim he despised.

The shia are definitely misguided. They are muslims no doubt, but they are truly misguided. The rasul pbuh doesn't make mistakes choosing the people around him. Uthman married 2 daughters of the rasul pbuh, 2 of them ! Because one died one after the other, and the rasul said if he had anymore, HE WOULD GIVE ALL of them to uthman. subhannallah !


Paul the apostle was a nothing nobody, he was a pagan who converted to judaism he didn't even meet jesus. He can't even quote jesus, not a single parable jesus said paul couldnt recite. NOTHING. We don't know his mother, his father or nobody that relates to him. We know everything about abu bakr siddique.

Abdallah ibn saaba who was a jew who became a muslim venerated ali, and ali had to burn many of this mans followers, and hes also listed in the jewish encyclopedia as a confirmed known jew, in jewish history. Thats the man who infilitrated the khawrijj and instilled this theology of shia`ism. The immamia ideology came not at the time of al hussein, it came WAYYYY after ali.

ABDALLAH IBN SABA - JewishEncyclopedia.com


ALSO, the battle of badr wasn't even supposed to be a battle, it was the muslims trying to get back caravans the pagans followed by abu sufyan stole from the muslims. The muslims were allowed to retrieve the caravans that were stolen from them.

HENCE WHY aisha may god be pleased with here was there, they didn't know there was going to be a battle, they happened to meet when the quraish pagans found out the intentions of the muslims and raised a small army to go after them.

You believe that ali, hussien are infallible, like saints, venerated. We love these men too.But we respect them and we dont do that. You believe they have control of matters of affairs.

Ali may all be pleaesd with him, named his sons al hassan and al hussein. NO he didn't name them. The rasul peace be upon named them. Their original names are jafar and hamza......do you see what im saying ? You believe they have control over the affairs of everything ! they don't even have control of their names.

Subhanallah, you just learned something today brother.

ALSO, because you believe that the family of the phrophet is divine or something, AQIL who was the brother of ALI, was fighting against the muslims at the time of the battle of badr, he became a muslim later on. And you won't believe who he married.

 

[Valjean]

I couldnt disagree more

Look at history.
When has religion, at least once established, ever been a progressive force for change? When has it not opposed dissenting or heretical ideas?

 

[MohammadPali]

Look at history.
When has religion, at least once established, ever been a progressive force for change? When has it not opposed dissenting or heretical ideas?

Progressive change is innovation. For example christianity. The jewish christians were opposite of the gentile christians. Paul came and changed the entire doctrine of jesus. Abolished laws that conform to pagans. These pagans couldn't stand the idea of circumcision, and once they found out an abrahamic religion that doesn't need it, they jumped on it.

They loved to watch jewish people on the temple mount and perform the rituals, but what held them back was circumcisions and the dietary laws and strict observance.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Everyone's always the last prophet until the next one comes along.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Being a prophet is something that God gives the prophet. No matter how hard you work, you will not become a prophet. On the other hand, being scientist is something that you would earn by working hard.

Great scientists are born gifted,not just hard workers. Muhammad could have worked as hard as he wanted, he would still not become an Einstein.

And sure Gods gives us prophets and there are many, many more that he can and will send us.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Not sure where you got that from?

Narrated Hafsa: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #54)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #55)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Book #54, Hadith #531)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful of a person in the state of Ihram to kill any of these five animals: The scorpion, the rat, the rabid dog, the crow and the kite." (Book #54, Hadith #532)

Perhaps the black dogs you talk of were carrying some sort of disease?

Maybe you are right. I am just repeating what I have read:

From Abu Dawud #2839: Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.

The Hadith's note for #2839 says, "The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them.

 

[Sabour]

Look at history.
When has religion, at least once established, ever been a progressive force for change? When has it not opposed dissenting or heretical ideas?

Perhaps you want to read about the islamic golden age from a reliable source and compare who arabs were before islam and who they became

 

[Sabour]

Great scientists are born gifted,not just hard workers. Muhammad could have worked as hard as he wanted, he would still not become an Einstein.

And sure Gods gives us prophets and there are many, many more that he can and will send us.

Prophets are people who recieve revelation from God and they guide people towards the right path. They are often given miracles to prove that they are really send by God.

Based on that defintion, Muhammad peace be upon him was the last prophet.


Perhaps your definition of a prophet is different ....

 

[Shia Islam]

Abu bakr was definitely of the rightly guided imams, and nothing like paul, he participated with the rasul pbuh, and was given the title of siddique by the rasul pbuh and the people. He died a few years later, does it make sense that he would usurp and not give it to his son ?

ALSO, you're a shia so you are supposedly close to ali may all be please with him. Okay fine, we love ali too, but you know what ? The people you despise abu bakr, omar, uthman who you call usurper, ALI named 3 of his sons ABU BAKR, OMAR, UTHMAN. The people you said ali despised name 3 of this sons to these men you shia claim he despised.

The shia are definitely misguided. They are muslims no doubt, but they are truly misguided. The rasul pbuh doesn't make mistakes choosing the people around him. Uthman married 2 daughters of the rasul pbuh, 2 of them ! Because one died one after the other, and the rasul said if he had anymore, HE WOULD GIVE ALL of them to uthman. subhannallah !


Paul the apostle was a nothing nobody, he was a pagan who converted to judaism he didn't even meet jesus. He can't even quote jesus, not a single parable jesus said paul couldnt recite. NOTHING. We don't know his mother, his father or nobody that relates to him. We know everything about abu bakr siddique.

Abdallah ibn saaba who was a jew who became a muslim venerated ali, and ali had to burn many of this mans followers, and hes also listed in the jewish encyclopedia as a confirmed known jew, in jewish history. Thats the man who infilitrated the khawrijj and instilled this theology of shia`ism. The immamia ideology came not at the time of al hussein, it came WAYYYY after ali.

ABDALLAH IBN SABA - JewishEncyclopedia.com


ALSO, the battle of badr wasn't even supposed to be a battle, it was the muslims trying to get back caravans the pagans followed by abu sufyan stole from the muslims. The muslims were allowed to retrieve the caravans that were stolen from them.

HENCE WHY aisha may god be pleased with here was there, they didn't know there was going to be a battle, they happened to meet when the quraish pagans found out the intentions of the muslims and raised a small army to go after them.

You believe that ali, hussien are infallible, like saints, venerated. We love these men too.But we respect them and we dont do that. You believe they have control of matters of affairs.

Ali may all be pleaesd with him, named his sons al hassan and al hussein. NO he didn't name them. The rasul peace be upon named them. Their original names are jafar and hamza......do you see what im saying ? You believe they have control over the affairs of everything ! they don't even have control of their names.

Subhanallah, you just learned something today brother.

ALSO, because you believe that the family of the phrophet is divine or something, AQIL who was the brother of ALI, was fighting against the muslims at the time of the battle of badr, he became a muslim later on. And you won't believe who he married.

As-Salamu Alaikum brother,
You know, the debate between the Shiites and the Sunnis is centuries old..

I spent many many years debating the Sunnis...

We both agree that one of us is misguided.. We can't be both right..

For me..after all of this years...i came to a conclusion: which is that people, of any religion, are of two types:
1. those who are after the reason and following the evidences...
These people don't need to be debated..they will follow the truth when they see it!

2. those who follow their emotions...
and there is no need to debate these people too..

So there is no need or use of debating anybody!

however, since you sound a respected person i will post quick replies to your post..although i went thru it very quickly, as i found it long!

here are your main points with their replies..i wish i did not miss any:

1. does it make sense that he (Abu bakr) would usurp (the caliphate) and not give it to his son ?

Answer: He usurped it with the help of Umar, who was sharing power with him.. Indeed Umar might have poisoned Abu Bakr (some scholars think so).

2. Ali named his sons ABU BAKR, OMAR, UTHMAN.

Answer: Even the Sunnis admit the enmity between Ali and those people..
Abu bakr was not the name of the first Caliph..his name was Ateeq.
Umar gave his own name to one of imam Ali Sons..
Ali named his son Uthman after Uthman bin Mathoon. He mentioned this.

3. Uthman married 2 daughters of the rasul pbuh,

These two girls were married before to the Sons of Abu-Lahab the Kafir..
Also it is not sure if they are the daughters of the prophet..
And also..Uthman was mistreating them and and has killed them according to what i remember..

And also, even according to many Sunni scholars, 'Uthman was a deviant man who was killed by the great Sahaba (r.a.).

And as of the myth that Shia islam was made up by a Jewish man called Ibn Sabaa, i wont waste time replying to it..

 

[Tumah]

Those who claim to follow the Torah actually follow their Rabbis.

...who follow the Torah.

Amongst other things, they reject the notion of Hell

Really.

and Judgement Day.

It's called the Great Day of Judgement in Judaism.

Honestly, what are you doing?

Jesus, peace be upon him rebuked them strongly in Matthew 23 of the NT.

Yeah, but the book of Matthew was changed, remember?

Can you show me how the message of the Qur'an is so different to the Mosaic Laws?

Really? I can list you tons of Laws that simply don't even exist in the Qur'an. And the ones that do seem similar are only superficially similar. Once you get into the details, you see just how drastically they're different. Yeah it's more similar the the Christian NT. But still, that's not saying much at all.

 

[Tumah]

Talmud is just an oral testament, in some arguments the talmud says it over rides the torah.

Source?

The Palestinian talmud and the babylonian talmud differ from one another on certain criteria. You know I love to call it by its official name the Palestinian talmud. You know why right ? You nohaide cutie fella.

The official name is תלמוד ירושלמי Talmud Yerushalmi, or Jerusalem Talmud. Sometimes just Yerushalmi/Jerusalemite. There is no Hebrew Jewish source that calls it by any other name.

You call it by the name that makes you feel better, not the official name.

We can name half a dozen messiahs that couldn't fulfill the promises that werent jesus, and yet main stream judaism still followed them, simon kohbah, or the kusaib, the liar they call him, being the chief one.

Simon kokhbah was a jew who openly supplicated to god before battle with the romans, O Master of the universe, there is no need for you to assist us [against our enemies], but do not embarrass us either!"

That man was the cause of many jews dieing, I believe it was some half a million jews died, because of him, and pretty much the tradition of judaism was lost because of this. This event solidify why muslims believe that alot of judaism changed. And you can deny that. Thats a absolute fact.

Judaism does not follow bar kokhbah. Many Jews at the time believed him to be the messiah. Many Jews believed Jesus to be the messiah. Many Jews believed Sabbatai Tzvi to be the messiah. However, when they didn't fulfill the prophecies, they were discarded by the vast majority.

This event also marked the end of main stream jewish christinanity. Because the greco-roman christians where in turkey, greece, macedonia, cyprus and rome, they filled in the void taking over main stream christianity. Eventually those jewish christians were executed or called herectics because they were against these gentile christians who gave up the law.

Bar Kokhbah has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. He fault a revolt against the Romans in Israel. He lost.

Another jewish messianic claimant who didn't claim messiach but is revered in todays judaism as one is
Menachem Mendel Schneerson, which voids the jewish main stream prophesies.

Again, you don't seem to know about what you are talking. One sect of Jews and I should actually say - part of one sect of Jews believe him to be the messiah.Originally more of the sect did, but when he died without fulfilling any of the prophecies, guess what happened.

So when alot of jews tell you jesus peace be upon him didn't fulfill these messianic prophesies just remind them about menachem mendel schneerson and how neither did he even come close either.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of Orthodox Jews don't nor have ever believed him to be the messiah. You again don't know what you're talking about. He was the leader of a sect of Hassidic Jews called Chabad/Lubavitch. Many, but not all in his sect believed him to be the messiah. When he died without fulfilling the prophecies, many of them stopped believing that. Outside that sect, not very many people ever believed him to be the messiah.

The major difference is that Rabbi Schneerson at least potentially could have been. He wasn't. But he could have been. Jesus could not have been.

 

[Tumah]

Right ok, Moses pbuh. The Torah shows GOD sent Angels to communicate with Moses pbuh on His behalf. It is agreed he had a direct relationship of GOD, as did all the Prophets pbut.

So are we to assume the times he received revelation from Angels, he was a false Prophet?

What did Moses pbuh do with the revelation he received from GOD? Did he preserve it, and if so, how did he do that?

Although I disagree with what the poster you're responding to is saying as well, I also have to correct what you're saying here. The Torah explicitly states that G-d spoke directly to Moses without an angel (Ex. 33:11 Deut. 34:10).

 

[Ponder This]

Anyway, the world BADLY needs a new prophet! Monotheism is extremely divided with good sincere seekers coming to many opposite and confusing conclusions.

Why is it that all the sign and wonder workers and prophets had to live in a time where there was no media or ability to scientifically verify that it actually happened?...

There are more hungry souls than ever...yet God refuses to raise up shepherds who will verify that the sacred text is true and that God does exist.

I think it's terrible that when the world is most in need of prophets and healers, God refuses to provide them...why?

Also Tell me...how does a person know the Koran is true?

Is it better to live...
A. with faith in a higher power
B. in subservience to a higher master

If you live by A, surely you will make mistakes
If you live by B, surely your oath is clear

 

[Sanzbir]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

The Quran says Muhammad is the "Seal of the Prophets". Everything around whether or not he is the last one comes down to how people interpret that title. Generally there are three views: the Mainstream Muslim view, the Ahmadiyya Muslim view, and the Baha'i view.

Most Muslims have the view that this means he is the last and final one and that there will be no others.

The Ahmadiyya Muslims believe this title refers not to him being the last one, but believe it has to do with the fact his Law was intended for the whole of the world. The Ahmadiyya believe he is the last law-bringing prophet, and that other prophets can come, but they will not bring new laws.

The Baha'i believe that the term "Seal of the Prophets" means he is the last prophet of a specific cycle of prophets, and that there are other prophets with new laws that are arriving in the current cycle of prophets, and that God will never stop sending new prophets.

So the three viewpoints are: He is the last everything, he is the last law-bringer, and he is the last of a set.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You mean flat, 7,000 year old created in 7 literal days, with plant life appearing before the sun which was created on 'day' 3 :/

Heh heh. Nice one

 

[Augustus]

The Quran says Muhammad is the "Seal of the Prophets". Everything around whether or not he is the last one comes down to how people interpret that title. Generally there are three views: the Mainstream Muslim view, the Ahmadiyya Muslim view, and the Baha'i view.

Mani also claimed to be the seal of the prophets in the 3rd C.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Prophets are people who recieve revelation from God and they guide people towards the right path. They are often given miracles to prove that they are really send by God.

Non Abrahamics can do miracles too. Does that make their gods real? If they're actually atheists, does that mean we have superpowers?

 

[Sanzbir]

Mani also claimed to be the seal of the prophets in the 3rd C.

Of course our knowledge of Mani's claim to such a title comes through Islamic scholars who were contrasting Mani to their own religion. Carsten Colpe suggests in his paper on the subject that the Manicheans themselves had an entirely different idea on what the term meant, in their case "seal" not being "last" but meaning "mark of authenticity", like a seal on a letter.

So I guess if we include Mani's similar title from a different language the term "Seal of the Prophets" has a fourth potential meaning, though there are no Manicheans anymore, so today there are only three current interpretations of the title.

 

[Sabour]

Non Abrahamics can do miracles too. Does that make their gods real? If they're actually atheists, does that mean we have superpowers?

Not anyone doing a miracle is a prophet, take the false messiah as an example. He will come at the ens of time claiming that he is god. He will be performing some miracles and some people would believe him.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Not anyone doing a miracle is a prophet, take the false messiah as an example. He will come at the ens of time claiming that he is god. He will be performing some miracles and some people would believe him.

That's right, also not everyone appearing to do miracles claims GOD sent them either.

Dynamo walks on water, feeds dozens of people fish using a empty bucket etc. He will happily be the first to explain he does it to amaze and entertain people, whilst gaining celebrity status.