Was Muhammad the final prophet?

[sun rise]

Muslims certainly consider him the last prophet. As we can see, others don't for various reasons. There's yet one more albeit rare interpretation - he's the last before the New Earth/New Humanity/2nd half of the life of Brahma, Maitreya etc

 

[Dawnofhope]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

Baha'is believe that the Bab and Baha'u'llah were twin prophets that came after Muhammad. Muslim's reject that as they claim Muhammad was the seal of the prophets. Baha'is believe the Bab fulfilled the Mahdi prophecy in regards to Shi'ite Islam being the return of the twelfth Imam. Muslim's reject this claim.

Khatam an-Nabiyyin - Wikipedia

Mahdi - Wikipedia

It has similarities between a rather contentious and longstanding controversy between Jews and Christians about the messianic claims of Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[MohammadPali]

1. This is not nearly the same. Kashrut only allows animals with split hooves and that chew the cud, while only fish with scales and fins. It prohibits also blood.

2. The Qur'an can say what it wants. Abraham had one wife and his wife had a handmaid, Hagar, with whom he had a son, Ishmael. He had a son with his wife Sarah and G-d asked Abraham to offer Isaac, his son with Sarah.

3. And Jesus still fulfilled none of the prophecies, whatever your beliefs about messiah.

4. G-d ordained the Jewish festivals to be observed forever. He didn't just change his mind 2000 years later.

5. I'm not sure and I'm in bed on my phone so looking it up is impractical right now. The penalty for theft is generally death iirc.

6. This is a grossly generalised myth that Christians and Muslims like to spout when Torah and Talmud disagree with their own scriptures.

Talmud is just an oral testament, in some arguments the talmud says it over rides the torah. The Palestinian talmud and the babylonian talmud differ from one another on certain criteria. You know I love to call it by its official name the Palestinian talmud. You know why right ? You nohaide cutie fella.


We can name half a dozen messiahs that couldn't fulfill the promises that werent jesus, and yet main stream judaism still followed them, simon kohbah, or the kusaib, the liar they call him, being the chief one.

Simon kokhbah was a jew who openly supplicated to god before battle with the romans, O Master of the universe, there is no need for you to assist us [against our enemies], but do not embarrass us either!"

That man was the cause of many jews dieing, I believe it was some half a million jews died, because of him, and pretty much the tradition of judaism was lost because of this. This event solidify why muslims believe that alot of judaism changed. And you can deny that. Thats a absolute fact.

This event also marked the end of main stream jewish christinanity. Because the greco-roman christians where in turkey, greece, macedonia, cyprus and rome, they filled in the void taking over main stream christianity. Eventually those jewish christians were executed or called herectics because they were against these gentile christians who gave up the law.

Another jewish messianic claimant who didn't claim messiach but is revered in todays judaism as one is
Menachem Mendel Schneerson, which voids the jewish main stream prophesies.

So when alot of jews tell you jesus peace be upon him didn't fulfill these messianic prophesies just remind them about menachem mendel schneerson and how neither did he even come close either.

 

[Grandliseur]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

Just going by cloudy memory, I thought that much of the Qur'an was written by others after M.'s death. If that is the case, the claim that M. is the last prophet is pretty much out of the window.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

He wasn't a prophet, imo, so no.

How would you know? Or does that not correspond with your Noahide belief?

 

[soulsurvivor]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?

Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?

Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

This is probably the silliest Islamic belief that Muhammad was the final prophet. It is like scientists declaring Newton to be the final physicist. The world has millions of years more to go (if we survive climate change), so there are definitely going to be many, many more prophets.

However, this story about him marrying a underage girl is being talked about too much - we don't know the exact age of the girl and their is no indication that she was in any way unhappy or having been forced into marriage. We should not pass judgment on someone when there is no accuser and no apparent victim (I think Abraham dumping of Hagar and Ishmael in the desert to be a far, far worse an act).

Of course Muhammad can hardly be said to be perfect - he actually declared all dogs to be unclean or 'haram' in some way and even advised that all black dogs be killed. Unbelievable!

 

[Spiderman]

This is probably the silliest Islamic belief that Muhammad was the final prophet. It is like scientists declaring Newton to be the final physicist. The world has millions of years more to go (if we survive climate change), so there are definitely going to be many, many more prophets.

However, this story about him marrying a underage girl is being talked about too much - we don't know the exact age of the girl and their is no indication that she was in any way unhappy or having been forced into marriage. We should not pass judgment on someone when there is no accuser and no apparent victim (I think Abraham dumping of Hagar and Ishmael in the desert to be a far, far worse an act).

Of course Muhammad can hardly be said to be perfect - he actually declared all dogs to be unclean or 'haram' in some way and even advised that all black dogs be killed. Unbelievable!

Aisha herself wrote that she was six years old when she got married to Muhammad....at a young age it was drilled into me that that is very shameful and wrong

 

[arthra]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?
Is it in the Koran? If so, does that mean no one who comes after him will have the gift of prophecy?
Also, Why is it not okay to criticize the prophet? Surely he made mistakes... can't a person, even a Muslim, be critical and say marriage of a middle-aged man to a prepubescent girl is low and should be outlawed?
Even if a person accepts him as a prophet, can't they also say he made serious mistakes?

The verse in the Qur'an refers to "Seal of the Prophets":

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 33:40)

A "Seal" as a noun can also be a Seal of Authority meaning that Prophet Muhammad was an authentic Prophet that He had a Seal of Authority.
We believe the Qur'an was an authentic repository of the Word of God for it's day meaning it reflected the Will of God for its time and place.
As a Messenger of God His word was authority.

The allegation that He married a "prepubescent girl" comes from
(1) a Hadith or saying that was collected two hundred years after the Prophet lived

(2) at a time when there was no universal calendar in use in Arabia until the Caliph Umar ordered it.

(3) There is an additional Hadith that has Aisha stating the following:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 465:

Narrated 'Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents
following Islam since I attained the age of
puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet
visited us, both in the mornings and evenings. My
father Abii Bakr thought of building a mosque in
the courtyard of his house and he did so. He
used to pray and recite the Qur'án in it. The
pagan women and their children used to stand by
him and look at him with surprise. Abu Bakr was
a Softhearted person and could not help weeping
while reciting the Quran. The chiefs of the
Quraish pagans became afraid of that (i.e. that
their children and women might be affected by
the recitation of Quran)."

(Hadith, Bukhari Vol 1)


This clearly indicates that Aisha was living with her parents in Mecca even after she attained puberty and that the Prophet used to visit them there. Muhammad left Mecca in 622 A.D. and all accounts agree that the marriage was not consummated until two years after the hijra, around 624 A.D.

~ Susan Manick 3-9-12

 

[Spiderman]

Wtf?

 

[Valjean]

What did this "marriage" entail? Would it be closer to what we would consider a betrothal? Was it just a change of residence? Was she more like a servant? Did it involve sex?
Marriage is different in different cultures, and our concepts of it are pretty new in the world.

 

[Spiderman]

What did this "marriage" entail? Would it be closer to what we would consider a betrothal? Was it just a change of residence? Was she more like a servant? Did it involve sex?
Marriage is different in different cultures, and our concepts of it are pretty new in the world.

The marriage was consummated (sexual) when she was nine

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, bringing to an end the age of Prophecy.

The Bab and Baha'u'llah ushered in the age of Fulfillment of all Prophecy from all past Scriptures.

Regards Tony

 

[Sabour]

Does this mean he was the latest prophet, or the final prophet for all time?
How is the original Arabic to be interpreted? His social and moral values seem seriously culture-bound.

It means he is the final prophet.

I dont agree it is culture bound, there are many western people in this century coming to islam and sticking to it in every aspect

 

[wizanda]

Did Muhammad (peace be upon him) claim that no prophets would come after him?

In my opinion based on the Quran it said messengers would still come after.

7:35-36 O children of Adam, if there come to you messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve. But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.

In my opinion based on the Quran it also warns that those who state there are no prophets after, only comes from arrogance, as Allah is the one who chooses.

40:34-35 And Joseph had already come to you before with clear proofs, but you remained in doubt of that which he brought to you, until when he died, you said, 'Never will Allah send a messenger after him.' Thus does Allah leave astray he who is a transgressor and skeptic." Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart [belonging to] an arrogant tyrant.

In my opinion based upon the line everyone likes to quote as last of the prophets, it says the word 'Seal' or 'Closure' in Arabic, so Muhammad is stating he is the jam-jar lid in a long line of prophetic statements, which would be correct as he came after the Bible had been canonized, and said it had been edited, which is historically accurate; claiming to be the last prophet isn't historically accurate, as we've had more prophets since then with proven prophecy.

33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any one of you men; he is God’s Messenger and the seal of the prophets: God knows everything.

 

[Rival]

How would you know? Or does that not correspond with your Noahide belief?

Noahide beliefs are the same as Jewish beliefs and I believe Tumah explained to you why Muhammad can't be a prophet.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Noahide beliefs are the same as Jewish beliefs and I believe Tumah explained to you why Muhammad can't be a prophet.

I'm confused I thought Noahides were just observant non-Jews and no, me and Tumah did not go into detail concerning Noahides (except the understanding that non-Jews can simply follow the 7 laws of Noah) I know about why Jews don't but Noahides is of a different movement and quite new, hence my question.

 

[Rival]

I'm confused I thought Noahides were just observant non-Jews and no, me and Tumah did not go into detail concerning Noahides (except the understanding that non-Jews can simply follow the 7 laws of Noah) I know about why Jews don't but Noahides is of a different movement and quite new, hence my question.

Yes but Noahide belief (i.e, G-d gave Torah on Sinai, understanding of scripture, eschatology etc) is the same as Jewish belief. So we cannot accept Jesus as messiah; Muhammad as a prophet etc. We just have a different Law. Back in Hellenic times we were called 'G-dfearers' - non-Jews who aligned with the Jews in belief, but not Torah observance.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yes but Noahide belief (i.e, G-d gave Torah on Sinai, understanding of scripture, eschatology etc) is the same as Jewish belief. So we cannot accept Jesus as messiah. We just have a different Law. Back in Hellenic times we were called 'G-dfearers' - non-Jews who aligned with the Jews in belief, but not Torah observance.

Ok

 

[Muslim-UK]

Of course Muhammad can hardly be said to be perfect - he actually declared all dogs to be unclean or 'haram' in some way and even advised that all black dogs be killed. Unbelievable!

Not sure where you got that from?

Narrated Hafsa: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #54)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog." (Book #29, Hadith #55)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog." (Book #54, Hadith #531)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful of a person in the state of Ihram to kill any of these five animals: The scorpion, the rat, the rabid dog, the crow and the kite." (Book #54, Hadith #532)

Perhaps the black dogs you talk of were carrying some sort of disease?

 

[Muslim-UK]

Muslims certainly consider him the last prophet. As we can see, others don't for various reasons. There's yet one more albeit rare interpretation - he's the last before the New Earth/New Humanity/2nd half of the life of Brahma, Maitreya etc

Your interpretation is a valid one. The New Earth, new era will not usher in any new revelation from GOD, the Second coming of Jesus pbuh perhaps also known as Brahma, Maitreya etc will take the World back to the right path. Hence if you read what the expected Jewish Messiah is going to do, you'll find he rebuilds the Temple and reinstates the rituals.