Was Obama a Terrible President?

[Shad]

If Obama was white, the democrats probably would've have even considered him.

He was one of the only, at the time, clean candidates in the primaries. Clinton was still a Clinton.

 

[julianalexander745]

My comment on your posts was based out of what you write and it clearly was borderline toward racism from what you wrote.

No it really wasn't. The subtext of your posts alone indicate that you were probably already trigger happy in calling people racists.

 

[Stevicus]

Trump has said publicly that Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents is US history.

Is this statement at all far from the truth?

Perhaps in 50 years - when people finally get over how black he was - history books will be singing a very different tune about him.

I don't believe he would be viewed as one of the worst presidents in US history. It's hard to say how historians in 50 years will evaluate the presidents. They might see things differently than those who lived during the period in question. For those who had to endure 8 years of George W. Bush, Obama might have seemed the greatest president there ever was, or at least some kind of breath of fresh air. It's all a matter of perspective.

Sometimes it's a matter of the times a president is living in. Abraham Lincoln, for example, is often considered the greatest US president, but if he didn't have a Civil War to fight and times were more ordinary, then he'd have to deal with ordinary problems.

I've also seen how attitudes have changed about some US presidents over the course of my lifetime, where historians are looking at them differently. Andrew Jackson is an example. When I was a kid, Andrew Jackson was revered as one of the great US presidents, but some aspects of his presidency are rather indefensible. This has caused some to re-evaluate his "greatness."

There's also the matter of how well they're remembered. Some presidents might be remembered because they're great, and some because they're notorious. But then there are those presidents who kind of slip into the back pages, who tend to pale in comparison to some of the more notable figures. I'm thinking of presidents like Millard Fillmore. Who would want to watch a miniseries based on the life of Millard Fillmore?

 

[Shad]

You stated that Obama was a bad president because he is of none white race, to me that is a racistic view.

I think he saying some voters voted for Obama because he was black or that Obama being black helped him gain votes when merit was lacking. He was not a good POTUS as he was not up to the task or acted poorly as per his reasons list.

I read/hear people saying all the time that people voted for Trump because he is white. It can go the other way as well. Clinton babbled at being a woman and tossed flack at men and women because no one ever could have a reason not to vote for her.... ever.

It is a bold and impossible claim to prove. However it is possible that some people can vote down racial lines. It happens.

*I do not think Obama won on race. I think it was another election Clinton lost for being herself. Just to clarify that I do not agree with his conclusion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No it really wasn't. The subtext of your posts alone indicate that you were probably already trigger happy in calling people racists.

No, I am not trigger happy to call you or other people for racists, but I see racism as some of the worsed a person can go thru. And I don't like it when people speak badly about people of other races.
I stand up for any religion or race when someone attacks them. So yes I have in the past and probably will in the future put question forth when there is an indication of racism against race or religion. that put me from time to time in the line of fire when people disagree with me. but honestly, it is worth it.

 

[Father Heathen]

No. I believe everything Trump says all the time because he is the President.

...

Oh, wow. Get up off your knees, son.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm referring to the fact that he was swept into office by way of his race rather than how appropriate he would be as a president.

Yeah, it couldn't have been because the republican platform was total garbage.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Meh. A few years ago I was between jobs, and due to the fact I was forced to enroll in health care or be charged a fine, I signed up for Obamacare and got on board. A couple months after, I suffered a pretty grievous injury. Obamacare covered all my medical expenses and even my physical therapy. Since then, I've gotten about most of my physical mobility back, and I could go back to work a year later no problem. The insurance I get now through the hospital I work at isn't nearly as good as the coverage I had through obamacare. If I got injured that same way again now, I'd be screwed, as I've seen happen to some of my current co-workers.

Obamacare was filled with problems, but it was a good step towards a better way than corperate controlled health. That's my experiences with it, at least.

Ask about what people have to pay for deductibles and out-of-pocket just for starters.

If you're dirt poor it's probably going to be great.

If you're middle class it's going to probably destroy your finances if you don't have a great paying job.

The wealthy don't need health insurance for obvious reasons.

 

[epronovost]

Generally speaking, Obama is considered in the better half of the POTUS ranking. Most historians and political analists place him around the 12th to 18th rank out of the 44. So good, but not great. Public opinion is very divided about him though. People who liked him generally liked him a lot. People who didn't usually hated him a lot. A very partisan press and the rise of amateur political blogs can explain this trend which continues with Trump and certainly with whomever is going to succeed him. Abraham Lincoln most often sits at the first rank with Washington and FDR fighting for the second rank. The hightest ranking I have seen for Obama is number 8th overall, with number 15 being it's most common. Obama's communication abilities, intelligence and crisis management are usually cited as his foremost qualities while his lack of transparency and his poor relationship with Congress are cited as his largest problems. As of now, Trump is considered one of poorest POTUS in history as well as George W Bush.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The reason Obama got more focus on his person was that he was the first non-white president that America ever has had. Did he do some bad decisions yes of course, but he was far from a bad president.

My comment on your posts was based out of what you write and it clearly was borderline toward racism from what you wrote. If I was wrong and you do not see black people as unskilled to be a leader of a country, I will apologize for my words.

My personal view is that no matter what race, religion or culture a person comes from, one should not judge them from that, but from their words, actions and thoughts.

A good track record helps too. His past positions in government weren't exactly top notch.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

A good track record helps too. His past positions in government weren't exactly top notch.

Trump's were.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Generally speaking, Obama is considered in the better half of the POTUS ranking. Most historians and political analists place him around the 12th to 18th rank out of the 44. So good, but not great. Public opinion is very divided about him though. People who liked him generally liked him a lot. People who didn't usually hated him a lot. A very partisan press and the rise of amateur political blogs can explain this trend which continues with Trump and certainly with whomever is going to succeed him. Abraham Lincoln most often sits at the first rank with Washington and FDR fighting for the second rank. The hightest ranking I have seen for Obama is number 8th overall, with number 15 being it's most common. Obama's communication abilities, intelligence and crisis management are usually cited as his foremost qualities while his lack of transparency and his poor relationship with Congress are cited as his largest problems. As of now, Trump is considered one of poorest POTUS in history as well as George W Bush.

I am sorry, but George Bush is not that poorly ranked and since he was a relatively recent President and there is a bit of a left wing bias by many raters his ratings will go up over the years, just as Reagan's did. Right now he ranks mostly in the bottom third quarter. The same as Carter, though Carter on average is still higher. Trump on the other hand is presently ranked just about dead last or close to it universally:

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

 

[sun rise]

Trump has said publicly that Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents is US history.

Is this statement at all far from the truth?

Perhaps in 50 years - when people finally get over how black he was - history books will be singing a very different tune about him.

No he was not terrible. It's the liars that are promoting a lying narrative.

He was a decent President who did his best and, like all humans, made some mistakes.

But by contrast, the swamp monster in the office now is terrible and leading the country downhill.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Obamacare was filled with problems, but it was a good step towards a better way than corperate controlled health. That's my experiences with it, at least.

That was my experience. It could have been better, but the insurnce I had from Indiana and here in California are excellent, far greater than anything I've gotten from an employer, which have all left me with heaps of bills and debt.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No. I believe everything Trump says all the time because he is the President.

Come on, now. Sure you aren't so naive you believe a politician all the time just because they are president? So, did Clinton not really have sexual relations with that woman?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Trump has said publicly that Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents is US history.

Is this statement at all far from the truth?

Perhaps in 50 years - when people finally get over how black he was - history books will be singing a very different tune about him.

Nope, no leading questions here, nosir.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Trump, the worst president in history is making the accusations. Obama is neither the worst nor the best president in history. He demonstrated he is family man of high moral standards and governed probably to much the middle of the road. I believe he was weak in making some hard decisions.

Seems like he was a decent guy on a personal level, and pretty much a non-event as President. The rabid hatred toward him by those in love with a dumpster fire of a human, both on a personal level and as a politician, is, if we're generous, confusing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No he was not terrible. It's the liars that are promoting a lying narrative.

He was a decent President who did his best and, like all humans, made some mistakes.

But by contrast, the swamp monster in the office now is terrible and leading the country downhill.

The country is doing pretty good as far as I can tell.

If the Socialist Democrats just get out of his way he can accomplish more.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[exchemist]

Trump has said publicly that Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents is US history.

Is this statement at all far from the truth?

Perhaps in 50 years - when people finally get over how black he was - history books will be singing a very different tune about him.

Yes, very funny and gosh, he was black, wasn't he......or half black, anyway......was it? And wasn't he a muslim too - "Hussein" and all that? Of course it is Trump himself whom history will judge a bizarre aberration of US democracy, even supposing he does not end up behind bars.

I think myself what we are seeing is a symptom of our immaturity when it come to the internet, though we are perhaps gradually getting more sophisticated as consumers of information. The internet empowers the stupid and the bigoted, in a way that was unimaginable in the days of print media. We need to learn to take far more individual responsibility for ( a ) exercising quality control over the sources we rely on and ( b ) also for accessing a variety of views, not just ones that reinforce our prejudices. On the last point I must congratulate you for seeking out views contrary to your own.