Was the big bang creation or evolution?

[rusra02]

The bible spells evolution. Man comes from the dust and god stretched something that already existed.

That is not what the Bible says. " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

 

[idav]

That is not what the Bible says. " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

The heavens maybe but for man it is from the dust.

 

[deeoracle]

Big bang the most unscientific of theories vs creationism the most anti-scientific notion around- whew this is interesting stuff

 

[outhouse]

There is no outside. We arent expanding into anything, we are everything.

based on what ?


your lost here brother, we don't know is the correct answer.

Your making unsubstantiated guesses blindly

 

[outhouse]

The expansion is the illusion of spacetime, it is real but the illusion part is how it is escapable according to modern physics. When we step out of spacetime, there never was an expansion, there never was a where or when. If you take everything away your left with nothing but time, an eternity. As far as being in spacetime there certainly is a where and a when, high enough mass or velocity is exempt.

Unsubstantiated imaginative word salad

 

[idav]

Unsubstantiated imaginative word salad

No I have science to backup any of my opinions.

 

[idav]

Your making unsubstantiated guesses blindly

General relativity has already let us know some secrets of light travel and even about time itself. I don't have to guess causes science does such a great job asking and answering questions about how things work.

 

[outhouse]

No I have science to backup any of my opinions.

You have no grasp of advanced concepts over your head.

 

[outhouse]

. I don't have to guess causes science does such a great job asking and answering questions about how things work.

yet you guess anyway.

Nice dodge! NOT

 

[idav]

yet you guess anyway.

Nice dodge! NOT

If you have something specific to address, please address away. I haven't dodged anything from you for me to address. By all means, where have I left science into fiction?

 

[idav]

Big bang the most unscientific of theories vs creationism the most anti-scientific notion around- whew this is interesting stuff

Big Bang is observable, doesn't get more scientific than that.

 

[outhouse]

If you have something specific to address, please address away. I haven't dodged anything from you for me to address. By all means, where have I left science into fiction?

By making unsubstantiated claims, one after another.

 

[idav]

By making unsubstantiated claims, one after another.

I really am not in a habit of doing that so you'll need to be more specific. I know what I'm talking about, do you know what I'm talking about, doesn't seem like it?

 

[idav]

There is no outside. We arent expanding into anything, we are everything.

based on what ?


your lost here brother, we don't know is the correct answer.

Your making unsubstantiated guesses blindly

I guess I didn't answer the question. I base it on this idea which spells to me the notion of oneness when taking qm and relativity into account.

When the big bang happened, everything was a single point. Then that point expanded until we get the universe we have today. So the big bang took up the entire universe, instead of happening in a specific part of the universe. Therefore it really happened everywhere, but because of expansion, that “everywhere” is a good bit bigger than it used to be.

Where Did the Big Bang Happen? Where’s the Center of the Universe?

 

[Skeptisch]

Here is a interesting observation:

“In 5 billion years, the expansion of the universe will have progressed to the point where all other galaxies will have receded beyond detection. Indeed, they will be receding faster than the speed of light, so detection will be impossible. Future civilizations will discover science and all its laws, and never know about other galaxies or the cosmic background radiation. They will inevitably come to the wrong conclusion about the universe......We live in a special time, the only time, where we can observationally verify that we live in a special time.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing

 

[RichardParker]

Here is a interesting observation:

“In 5 billion years, the expansion of the universe will have progressed to the point where all other galaxies will have receded beyond detection. Indeed, they will be receding faster than the speed of light, so detection will be impossible. Future civilizations will discover science and all its laws, and never know about other galaxies or the cosmic background radiation. They will inevitably come to the wrong conclusion about the universe......We live in a special time, the only time, where we can observationally verify that we live in a special time.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing

But there is also another point he makes (although not sure if he makes it in the same speech):
We can't know, if there already is something which we might have picked up and observed, if we lived earlier. In the same way, that future generations (or life-forms, not necessarily on this planet) won't be able to observe all other galaxies, we might already live in a time, where we can't observe certain things anymore (not necessarily for the same reasons, but maybe for other reasons we simply can't know anymore).
I think the major point to take away is the fallowing: Given that the universe is in constant motion, and always changing, EVERY time to live in is a special time to be living in.

 

[Skeptisch]

I think the major point to take away is the fallowing: Given that the universe is in constant motion, and always changing, EVERY time to live in is a special time to be living in.

Very true, however it might be “more special” when we can actually observe the universe changing, rather than just see black, empty space out there .

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Was the big bang creation or evolution?

The big bang was the process by which our universe came into existence. Evolution is the process by which organisms adapt and change over time. Creationism is a pseudoscientific explanation for the formation of the universe based upon the Judeo-Christian (and also Muslim) holy texts.

 

[RichardParker]

Very true, however it might be “more special” when we can actually observe the universe changing, rather than just see black, empty space out there .

Sure, but the future generations will be able to observe entirely different things, which they will then say "It's special that we can see this now! How wonderfull that we live TODAY!"

And a past generation, who has seen many wonderfull things that have now changed and are invisible to us, have probably also said "It' great that we live now! If we lived later, we couldn't see these things!"

I mean, I also value the things we see now... and I miss the things I've missed in the past and will miss in the future just as little as the people in the future will miss the view of our stars.

 

[outhouse]

There is no outside

How do you know?

Space and time were created together, but we have no knowledge of what exist outside.

We don't know. yet you magically do :sarcastic


It could be space from another galaxy within a galaxy. We don't know, yet you claim you know there is nothing.

Why do you think you know there is no outside?