djhwoodwerks
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Very well put my friend!
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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Very well put my friend!
djhwoodwerks
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The JW's are so trained by the GB, they don't even see the contradictions in their own literature. They are trained to see any differences as "NEW LIGHT" and not false teachings or deception. Here is one, and I believe a major one.
This is written to make them seem to be loving and that they care about people and family.
*** g 7/09 p. 29 Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion? ***
Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. (As long as your beliefs are what the GB teach. Then you have to choose)
But then in different publication they write,
*** w13 1/15 pp. 15-16 Let Nothing Distance You From Jehovah ***
FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
16 The bond between parent and child is so strong that Jehovah used that relationship to illustrate his own love for his people. (Isa. 49:15) It is normal, therefore, to be deeply grieved when a beloved family member leaves Jehovah. “I was devastated,” says one sister whose daughter was disfellowshipped. “I wondered, ‘Why did she leave Jehovah?’ I felt guilty, and I blamed myself.”
19 On the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment toward Jehovah, you will distance yourself from him. Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else—including the family bond.
They really mean the organization.
Notice the statement in The Bibles Viewpoint
Then notice the statement in Family Relationships
I included paragraph 16 so it couldn't be said that I took 19 out of context.
This is written to make them seem to be loving and that they care about people and family.
*** g 7/09 p. 29 Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion? ***
Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. (As long as your beliefs are what the GB teach. Then you have to choose)
But then in different publication they write,
*** w13 1/15 pp. 15-16 Let Nothing Distance You From Jehovah ***
FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS
16 The bond between parent and child is so strong that Jehovah used that relationship to illustrate his own love for his people. (Isa. 49:15) It is normal, therefore, to be deeply grieved when a beloved family member leaves Jehovah. “I was devastated,” says one sister whose daughter was disfellowshipped. “I wondered, ‘Why did she leave Jehovah?’ I felt guilty, and I blamed myself.”
19 On the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment toward Jehovah, you will distance yourself from him. Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else—including the family bond.
They really mean the organization.
Notice the statement in The Bibles Viewpoint
Then notice the statement in Family Relationships
I included paragraph 16 so it couldn't be said that I took 19 out of context.
A survey of Watchtower history reveals that Pastor Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovahs Witnesses, was once considered the "faithful and discreet slave."
The watchtower book "The Harp of God," published in the early 1920's states: "without a doubt Pastor Russell filled the office... And was therefore that wise and faithful servant, ministering to the household of faith meat I due season."
The Watchtower magazine (1920) likewise affirmed, "no one in present Ruth for a moment doubts the brother Russell filled the office of the "faithful and wise servant."
It wasn't until a decade LATER that Joseph F. Rutherford became President that they changed there tune to mean a group not an individual. Sadly many Jehovahs Witnesses are unaware of the Watchtowers history on these matters of scripture, always changing there tune, like a reed swaying in the wind. That doesn't sound like a True Prophet. Coupled with numerous false prophecies the Watchtower has made, how can one trust them with their eternal souls?
The watchtower book "The Harp of God," published in the early 1920's states: "without a doubt Pastor Russell filled the office... And was therefore that wise and faithful servant, ministering to the household of faith meat I due season."
The Watchtower magazine (1920) likewise affirmed, "no one in present Ruth for a moment doubts the brother Russell filled the office of the "faithful and wise servant."
It wasn't until a decade LATER that Joseph F. Rutherford became President that they changed there tune to mean a group not an individual. Sadly many Jehovahs Witnesses are unaware of the Watchtowers history on these matters of scripture, always changing there tune, like a reed swaying in the wind. That doesn't sound like a True Prophet. Coupled with numerous false prophecies the Watchtower has made, how can one trust them with their eternal souls?
5 questions from my heart for the Jehovahs Witnesses...
1. Jehovah says in Isaiah 44:24, "I am The Lord, who made ALL THINGS, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF." How do you reconcile That with the Watchtower teaching that Jehovah first created Christ and then Christ created everything else?
2. The Watchtower actually endorsed the Worship of Jesus. The Watchtower magazine (1880) said that "to worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong." Some years later another issue (1892) said, "Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshipped, and properly so."
Why did early Watchtower theology state to worship Jesus but change there tune in such an important topic if they are the true Prophet of God?
3. The 1961 edition of the New World Translation renders Hebrews 1:6 that we should worship Jesus, while the 1971 edition says we should merely do obeisance to Him. Why does the Watchtower waver so on this issue and were the JW's who used the 1961 edition of the NWT deceived by the Watchtowers Own Bible?
4. In Psalm 3523 the phrase "my God and my Lord" is used of YHWY. Thomas, a Hebrew believer used this verse when he saw the resurrected Jesus. So what did Thomas "believe" according to John 20:29?
5. Charles Taze Russell's 'Studies in the Scriptures' (Volume 4) said, "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874 AD... And the formal inauguration of His kingly office dates from April 1874."
The Watchtower publication 'Creation' said that, "the second coming of The Lord therefor began in 1874."
The issue of the Watchtower magazine in 1922 said, "No one can properly understand the work of God at this time who does not realize that since 1874, the time of the Lords return in power, there has been a complete change in Gods operations."
Why did the Watchtower literature teach that the second coming of Christ occurred in 1974, while later literature from the Society taught that it happened in 1914?
Do True Prophets of God change their minds like this?
Please look into this for your souls sake.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w14 1/15 p. 28 par. 6 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
6 Many people were distracted by the outbreak of World War I and the Spanish influenza. Yet, anointed Christians had keenly been anticipating 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times, or “appointed times of the nations.” (Luke 21:24) They were not completely sure about what would happen. Still, they knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership. As soon as they discerned the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, they boldly declared to others that God’s rule had begun.
*** w14 1/15 p. 30 par. 14 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
There is yet a third reason for confidence. What has developed among God’s people points to the nearness of the end. For example, prior to the establishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven, a group of faithful anointed ones were actively serving God. When "some" of their expectations about what would happen in 1914 did not come about, what did they do?
I really love the subtle deception and contradictions the WT pulls on their own people. The sad part is, the people are so blinded don’t even see it. Like the statements above, in the “SAME” article it says in paragraph 6, anointed Christians “DIDN'T” know what to expect about 1914. Then in paragraph 14 it says, “when some of their “EXPECTATIONS” didn’t come about. My, my, my!! None of the JW’s even noticed it! Next, notice it says, “When “SOME” of their expectations didn’t come about." I would like to know out of all they were (or weren't) expecting “DID” come about. “NOTHING” C.T. Russell, J. Rutherford or any one else came about in 1914. Why does it say “SOME”?
6 Many people were distracted by the outbreak of World War I and the Spanish influenza. Yet, anointed Christians had keenly been anticipating 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times, or “appointed times of the nations.” (Luke 21:24) They were not completely sure about what would happen. Still, they knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership. As soon as they discerned the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, they boldly declared to others that God’s rule had begun.
*** w14 1/15 p. 30 par. 14 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
There is yet a third reason for confidence. What has developed among God’s people points to the nearness of the end. For example, prior to the establishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven, a group of faithful anointed ones were actively serving God. When "some" of their expectations about what would happen in 1914 did not come about, what did they do?
I really love the subtle deception and contradictions the WT pulls on their own people. The sad part is, the people are so blinded don’t even see it. Like the statements above, in the “SAME” article it says in paragraph 6, anointed Christians “DIDN'T” know what to expect about 1914. Then in paragraph 14 it says, “when some of their “EXPECTATIONS” didn’t come about. My, my, my!! None of the JW’s even noticed it! Next, notice it says, “When “SOME” of their expectations didn’t come about." I would like to know out of all they were (or weren't) expecting “DID” come about. “NOTHING” C.T. Russell, J. Rutherford or any one else came about in 1914. Why does it say “SOME”?
I think some Jehovahs Witnesses are afraid to leave the Watchtower as they might feel there losing their faith or losing Jesus. But Leaving the Watchtower is NOT leaving Jesus Christ or God. It's merely going from a false doctrine to the True Light of Jesus by knowing the Truth about Him. And those that Live Him would want to know the Truth about Him would they not?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Any changes are attributed to "new light."
Constant changes in teaching do not matter to JW's, even when they are staring them right in the face. Their faith and loyalty are in the Governing Body. If it were not, they would be disfellowshipped and possibly dissed by their own families.
They are in a no win situation. It's very sad.
By the way, Jesus was worshiped until about 1950. The teaching changed to coincide with the NWT.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
JW's are not alone in this. Try reasoning with a Roman Catholic. They are convinced they don't worship Mary, but by every Biblical definition of worship, they indeed do worship her. She is regarded as the Queen of heaven, co-mediatrix, co-redemptrix, and co-advocate. There are statues and icons of her everywhere. People kneel before these idols, kissing them, praying and crying to them. It is literally sickening to see such a display.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** g78 8/22 pp. 3-4 Do Others Do Your Thinking? ***
Propaganda has power. Does it overpower you? Or do you have a mind of your own?
EDUCATION teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.(The first line of the article) This article is in the August 22, 1978 Awake. YOU HAVE TO READ IT! The very first sentence describes the WT. They teach against education. They teach against independent thinking. They demand you accept what they teach. And please JW's, don't say that's a false statement! Did anyone realize that satan cursed us with independent thinking???
*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
13In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: “The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.” (That's right, you can't lead smart people because they see right thru the deceit)
*** w83 1/15 p. 22 Exposing the Devil’s Subtle Designs ***
20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking.‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve. ‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’ (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.
21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.
*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***
▪ Does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47.
No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. Others explore scientific subjects related to the Bible. They have created Web sites and chat rooms for the purpose of exchanging and debating their views. They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature.
*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***
Surely we are grateful for Jehovah’s spiritual provisions in these last days. Thus, “the faithful and discreet slave” does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.—Matt. 24:45-47.
Propaganda has power. Does it overpower you? Or do you have a mind of your own?
EDUCATION teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.(The first line of the article) This article is in the August 22, 1978 Awake. YOU HAVE TO READ IT! The very first sentence describes the WT. They teach against education. They teach against independent thinking. They demand you accept what they teach. And please JW's, don't say that's a false statement! Did anyone realize that satan cursed us with independent thinking???
*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
13In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: “The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.” (That's right, you can't lead smart people because they see right thru the deceit)
*** w83 1/15 p. 22 Exposing the Devil’s Subtle Designs ***
20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking.‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve. ‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’ (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.
21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.
*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***
▪ Does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47.
No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. Others explore scientific subjects related to the Bible. They have created Web sites and chat rooms for the purpose of exchanging and debating their views. They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature.
*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***
Surely we are grateful for Jehovah’s spiritual provisions in these last days. Thus, “the faithful and discreet slave” does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.—Matt. 24:45-47.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
God is never wrong--but light is progressive if you listen to Jesus--He taught of his anointed teachers--- Who really is the faithful and discreet slave --who upon their master( Jesus) arriving( the presence) will appoint over all of his belongings to give food( spiritual) ---at the proper time= when God wills a truth revealed--progressive.
As well Luke 10:16---those who listen to Jesus anointed teachers are listening to Jesus and God as well--so the opposite as well those who reject Jesus anointed teachers are rejecting Jesus and God as well.
There is 0 perfection in mortal man.
OK. Did any governing body member ever confess hearing from Jesus himself?
kjw47
Well-Known Member
Romans 6:23--- is it not true all who have died up until this day--paid the wages of sin=death. The JW teachers are 100% correct on the matter. The only ones who will not pay the wages are the anointed who are changed during the trib and the ones brought through Har-mageddon. and every single mortal that has died has proved its true.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
kjw47
Well-Known Member
Yes. It is believed by them that the Holy Spirit directs them. Does the HS direct them silently?
I don't mean do they hear voices. Rev says to listen. I know they do not listen. They unravel the meaning of scripture by reasoning on it. If they were listening to the spirit they could not make a mistake about what it says. Yes?
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
We should all be confident of our beliefs...and be able to identify Christ's "brothers" in order to support them in their assignment of Kingdom preaching....that is what separates the "sheep from the goats". (Matt 25:31-46)
Just remember that confidence can be misplaced. The Jews put their confidence in their religious teachers, preferring the traditions of men to the teachings of God's son. Jesus came to clean up their polluted worship but very few actually responded, instead they followed popular opinion and were at the forefront in crying out for Jesus to be executed. They even cursed themselves and their children with his blood.....they got their wish. (Matt 27: 25) Talk about misplaced confidence!
Jesus said that his true disciples would be preaching right up to the end of the present "age". (Matt 24:3, 14) He also said that these days would be like those of Noah....people not listening, ridiculing those 'hated and persecuted' for doing what Jesus commanded. (Matt 24:36-39; 28:19, 20; John 15:18-21)
We shall all see at the end of the day....who are "doing the will of the Father" and who are not.....won't we? (Matt 7:21-23) We are not judged on what we say...but on what we are "doing" when Jesus comes to judge us.
No one can come to the son without an invitation from the Father. (John 6:44) He is the one who determines the correctness of our beliefs, regardless of what we think of them ourselves. By our own choices we will have placed ourselves in line for either life or death. No one will be able to argue that it wasn't fair because there will be no excuse. Justice will be done...and it will be permanent. That is the confidence we must have.
Just remember that confidence can be misplaced. The Jews put their confidence in their religious teachers, preferring the traditions of men to the teachings of God's son. Jesus came to clean up their polluted worship but very few actually responded, instead they followed popular opinion and were at the forefront in crying out for Jesus to be executed. They even cursed themselves and their children with his blood.....they got their wish. (Matt 27: 25) Talk about misplaced confidence!
Jesus said that his true disciples would be preaching right up to the end of the present "age". (Matt 24:3, 14) He also said that these days would be like those of Noah....people not listening, ridiculing those 'hated and persecuted' for doing what Jesus commanded. (Matt 24:36-39; 28:19, 20; John 15:18-21)
We shall all see at the end of the day....who are "doing the will of the Father" and who are not.....won't we? (Matt 7:21-23) We are not judged on what we say...but on what we are "doing" when Jesus comes to judge us.
No one can come to the son without an invitation from the Father. (John 6:44) He is the one who determines the correctness of our beliefs, regardless of what we think of them ourselves. By our own choices we will have placed ourselves in line for either life or death. No one will be able to argue that it wasn't fair because there will be no excuse. Justice will be done...and it will be permanent. That is the confidence we must have.
The congregation shepherds in the first century who the gb model after said "the Holy Spirit and we ourselves" but I think the JWs never say that. Why?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
both spiritual and physical.
They did die on that day that they ate btw.
compare 2Peter 3:8 with Genesis 5;5
The GB: "The Holy Spirit and we ourselves have favored requesting reports of the field service so we will know where the need is greatest". Yes?
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say the ministry of JWs must always come first".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say Saturdays are for The Ministry".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say missing a meeting means forsaking gathering together".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say be always ready for Armageddon".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say be always ready to make a defence for The Watchtower".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say the ministry of JWs must always come first".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say Saturdays are for The Ministry".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say missing a meeting means forsaking gathering together".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say be always ready for Armageddon".
"The Holy Spirit and we ourselves say be always ready to make a defence for The Watchtower".
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
everything about our history is found in the book 'Jehovahs Witesses - Proclaimers of Gods Kingdom'
You can get that online which is where DJ is getting the information from. All JW's have read that book....we've all studied it, we know all the changes and all the prior teachings that came from the early bible students.