Desert Snake
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Worshipping Jesus does not make a religion polytheistic, if Jesu is God.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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Worshipping Jesus does not make a religion polytheistic, if Jesu is God.
Ya but... pay attention, please. The reason the JWs stood up in the first place is to make known the fact that Jesus is not God.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yep. Therefore? They misunderstood their own theology in the first place, so, the 'correction', is faulty. Reading what you wrote, it is important to point that out.
You should probably preface your post will SW (that is me) as the owner of the thread thinks you might be talking to yourself. To her, I am dead.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w92 11/15 p. 6 Why Some Are Born Again ***
Will you be among those who inherit life on a paradise earth? You can be if you exercise faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ “and” become actively associated with “the” true Christian congregation. It has not been corrupted by philosophies but has remained “a pillar and support of the truth.”
I guess Jesus’ sacrifice and atoning work of the cross isn’t enough anymore to be saved!
Will you be among those who inherit life on a paradise earth? You can be if you exercise faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ “and” become actively associated with “the” true Christian congregation. It has not been corrupted by philosophies but has remained “a pillar and support of the truth.”
I guess Jesus’ sacrifice and atoning work of the cross isn’t enough anymore to be saved!
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
How about answering my question first? I posted it to you on Thursday.
You posted the following quote from WT.
WT 2004 May 1st Page 11 pg 14 -15
14 How does Jehovah speak to us? Consider Jeremiah again. Since Jeremiah was a prophet, Jehovah communicated directly with him. Jeremiah describes the effect of God’s words on his heart: “Your words were found, and I proceeded to eat them; and your word becomes to me the exultation and the rejoicing of my heart; for your name has been called upon me, O Jehovah God of armies.” (Jeremiah 15:16) Yes, Jeremiah delighted in the fact that God’s name had been called upon him, and His words were precious to the prophet. Hence, like the apostle Paul, Jeremiah was eager to declare the message entrusted to him.—Romans 1:15, 16.
15 Jehovah does not communicate directly with anyone today. However, we do have God’s words in the pages of the Bible. Hence, if we have a serious approach to our study of the Bible and meditate deeply on what we learn, God’s words will become “the exultation and the rejoicing” of our heart too.
1. Watchtower - "God does not communicate directly with any one today."
2. Watchtower - "We are God's only spirit directed organization."
So which is it?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
They aren't allowed to research history are they?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
@savagewind
I think that the thread starter might have me on ignore, so i'm not responding to the OP specifically anyway.
I think that the thread starter might have me on ignore, so i'm not responding to the OP specifically anyway.
They are discouraged from doing independent research. To do so will not be breaking any JW law, but telling others about what you find in your research if it differs from the dogma of the JWs will get the person disfellowshipped......even it it is true.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
They're not supposed to be on the internet either.
Your right, your god would not create a place like hell. That's because your god doesn't exist. You created your own god in your mind to make you feel more comfortable about this idea of hell instead of seeing what Scripture truly says. That's idolatry.
There is indeed a gel. Jesus actually spoke more about hell then He did heaven, and you believe heaven exists I'm sure right?
One scripture the Watchtower likes to point to is Matthew 25:46. Many translations of the Word of God say something to this effect as in the ESV, "and these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Notice that this translation has the words "eternal punishment" instead of the New World Translations "everlasting cutting-off" the Greek words in question are aionios (eternal) and kolasis (punishment).
Regarding the second word, it is true that the stem of kolasis (kalazoo) originally meant "pruning." But well known Greek scholars agree that there is no justification for the translation "cutting-off" in Matthew 25:46. The meaning is confirmed by the authoritative "Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament", "The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament", "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament" as well as many others.
The punishment spoken of in Matthew 25:46 cannot be defined as a non suffering extinction of conscience. Indeed, of actual suffering is lacking then so is punishment. Let us be clear on this: PUNISHMENT ENTAILS SUFFERING, and SUFFERING NECESSARILY ENTAILS CONSCIENCE. One can exist and not be punished; but no one can be punished and not exist. Annihilation avoids punishment, rather than encountering it.
So, how do we know that the punishment in Matthew 25:46 does not entail an extinction of conscience and annihilation? There are many evidences. For example, consider the Fact that there are no DEGREES of annihilation. After all, one is either annihilated or one is not. In contraT, Scripture teaches that there will be degrees of punishment on the day of judgment (Matthew 10:15, 11:21-24, 16:27; Luke 12:47-48; John 15:22; Hebrews 10:29; revelation 20:11-15, 22:12, etc...)
The very Fact that people will suffer varying degrees of punishment in hell shows that annihilation or the extinction of conscience is not taught in Matthew 25:46 or anywhere else in Scripture. These are incompatible concepts.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
You are mistaken--We listen to Gods advice--did you miss this--Luke 10:16--- if one listens to the anointed teachers( imperfect mortals) its the same as listening to Jesus and God--and the opposite as well--if you reject Jesus' anointed teachers then that one is rejecting Jesus and God as well.
There is 0 trinity god in existence, just as the many other gods do not exist--satan is posing as all the false gods in all the false religions. So in reality if one serves a non existent false god they are actually serving satan. He transforms into an angel of light( 2Cor 11:12-15)--- that means he uses, love, sharing whatever it takes to deceive.
Take the valentines day celebration--love and sharing--but the world added --Cupid--a real life false god worshipped by humans for centuries--does cupid exist--No it is satan posing.
this gets one to break Gods #1 commandment--thou shalt not have any other gods before me-- its the same done daily by those worshipping non existent false gods.
You are assuming Matthew 25 is about the end of this life. Can you prove it?
With a quick reply, can you prove it is not?
Luke 10:1-16 Jesus is talking directly to His 70 disciples before they went out in pairs. Does this mention at all any anointed followers of a sect 1,900 years later that holds views contrary to what He taught about Himself being God and the Trinity? He warns us of false teachers, not commands us to listen to them.
Quick as in now or quick as in short? Short I might be able to do but now I can't. I am getting ready to be away for a couple of days. I shall think about it.
No I didn't mean you
I meant my reply was quick. Wherever you go for the couple of days I'll be praying your safe and sound though Also some more about an immaterial nature...
The New World Translation renders Luke 23:43, "And he said to him: 'Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.'" This is contrast to most, if not all other translations which render the verse: "Truly I say, Today you will be with me in Paradise."
It is helpful to observe how the phrase "Truly I say to you" is used elsewhere in Scripture. This phrase, which translates the Greek words "amen soy lego" occurs 74 times in the Gospels and is always used as an introductory expression. It is somewhat similar to the Old Testament phrase "Thus says The Lord." Jesus used this phrase to introduce a truth that was very important.
In 73 out of 74 times the phrase occurred in the Gospels, the New World Translation places a break (such as a comma) immediately after the phrase, "Truly, I tell you." Luke 23:43 is the only occurrence of this phrase in which the New World Translation does not place a break after it. Why? Because if a break, such as a comma, was placed after "Truly I say to you" the word "today" would then belong to the second half of the sentence, indicating that "today" the thief would be with Jesus in Paradise. But this would go against Watchtower theology. Hence they relocated the comma.
Any Jehovahs Witness can see for themselves by looking at all the "Truly I say to you" phrases Jesus said and that in only one place does the NWT not put it directly after the phrase. One must wonder why?
"Truly I say to you today" does not even make good sense: it would have been needless to say, "Today, I am telling this to you." Of course He was! What other day would He have been speaking to the thief on? Jesus never added the word 'today' when speaking to anyone. Would Jesus ever say anything so redundant?
This thief believed that Jesus would eventually come into His Kingdom at the end of the world. He therefor asked to be remembered by Jesus at that time. Jesus' reply however, promised him more than he had asked for: "Today (not just at the end of the world) you will be with me in Paradise."
It is clear that Luke 23:43 argues strongly against the Watchtower position that there is no immaterial nature that consciously survives death. As true with other Bible verses, a thorough look at the text unmasks the Watchtower deception.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Some teachings of the Rutherford era were later altered by those who came after him...things have always been changing. We dont even have a single director today as they did in the past....does that mean that we have apostatized from them?
Not at all. It means our organsiation and its leading men are willing to submit to newer understandings and better ways of doing things. Its a progressive organisation. Its not stagnant like the churches who are still stuck in the dark ages with their stubborn traditions, old ideas and stale ruling elite. I believe our organsiation is led by holy spirit...i believe it follows that leading which is why it changes and improves along the way.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Well no of course not. they spoke Hebrew and Greek
The name of God in those languages is יהוה and Ιεχωβά
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
NO, the Tosfefta law book of the jews is not going to change. This reference to the Christian writings with the divine name contained in them is still going to be there in years to come.