Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[JFish123]

So where do all these 'unbelievers' end-up?

What the scriptures teach. A place Eternally separated from God, what is called hell.

 

[katiemygirl]

Immanuel was not identifiable in Isaiah's day even though an Immanuel definitely was born in Isaiah's day, and the same would have been true in Mathew's day but for Matthew having told us exactly who that Emanuel was.

Jesus was never referred to as Immanuel by anyone other than Matthew. Immanuel was not his name per-say, but the name of the sign he represented.

Calling his name Immanuel is an old Hebrew expression with a similarity to, "will call his name blessed."

Except that using that expression carries with it the added connotation that all are blessed by that person's being blessed.

I answered you.

You just do not like my answers. That is just too bad, for I am equipped to know more about my own heritage than you

Actually you didn't say a single word or even hint about Isaiah 9:6. I asked you who the "everlasting Father" was in that verse. You did not answer. I'm asking again. Who is the everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6?

Back to Isaiah 7:14.

Are you saying Immanuel means "blessed?" If so, then could you please cite the source of your definition?

Or are you just saying the name Immanuel carries the connotation of "blessed" with it, but you are not defining it as such?

I'm trying to understand.

I am asking you what the primary meaning of the Hebrew name Immanuel is.

Why did the Lord, through Isaiah, say, "and she will call his name Immanuel?"

 

[katiemygirl]

I don't think I got it

It's showing up on my end as sent.

 

[katiemygirl]

So where do all these 'unbelievers' end-up?

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[JFish123]

It's showing up on my end as sent.

Checked but it just showed up as error

 

[JFish123]

 

[Mountain_Climber]

Actually you didn't say a single word or even hint about Isaiah 9:6. I asked you who the "everlasting Father" was in that verse. You did not answer. I'm asking again. Who is the everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6?

Back to Isaiah 7:14.

Are you saying Immanuel means "blessed?" If so, then could you please cite the source of your definition?

Or are you just saying the name Immanuel carries the connotation of "blessed" with it, but you are not defining it as such?

I'm trying to understand.

I am asking you what the primary meaning of the Hebrew name Immanuel is.

Why did the Lord, through Isaiah, say, "and she will call his name Immanuel?"

Taken in regards to Jesus being the twig out of the stump of Jesse (as foreshadowed by David), Jesus is with regard to mankind, "the everlasting father".

And if you wish to capitalize the name father that is alright so long as you don't step away from the intent of the prophecy, which is to point to the replacement Adam as the everlasting father of mankind.

Similarly, David proved to be a mighty warrior/king which is what the phrase, "the mighty god", at Isaiah 9:6 refers to.

Your mistake is that you are failing to follow the theme thru the OT which is about replacing the first human father of man who proved to be temporal, and re-establishing an everlasting dominion of this earth by the chief humans of mankind, just as the first father's dominion would have accomplished had Adam not sinned.

The desire to use these prophecies for other than that they were written for, has led you off to Timbuktu or Narnia. You cannot properly apply those prophecies the way Trinitarians, in their anxiousness to support their beliefs, do. To do so is to fail to follow the theme from it's beginning on thru the scripture and then to add insult to injury by improperly applying what those prophecies are referring to.

 

[katiemygirl]

="Mountain_Climber, post: 4342497, member: 57086"]Taken in regards to Jesus being the twig out of the stump of Jesse (as foreshadowed by David), Jesus is with regard to mankind, "the everlasting father".

Yes, Jesus is the everlasting Father. I copied and pasted the verse from Bible Hub, KJV. Every English version of that verse in Bible Hub capitalizes Father. Jesus is not called everlasting father. He is called THE everlasting Father.

Would you mind addressing the rest of my post about Isaiah 7:14?

 

[katiemygirl]

Checked but it just showed up as error

Okay, I just sent a new one. Hopefully, it'll work this time.

 

[JFish123]

Taken in regards to Jesus being the twig out of the stump of Jesse (as foreshadowed by David), Jesus is with regard to mankind, "the everlasting father".

And if you wish to capitalize the name father that is alright so long as you don't step away from the intent of the prophecy, which is to point to the replacement Adam as the everlasting father of mankind.

Similarly, David proved to be a mighty warrior/king which is what the phrase, "the mighty god", at Isaiah 9:6 refers to.

Your mistake is that you are failing to follow the theme thru the OT which is about replacing the first human father of man who proved to be temporal, and re-establishing an everlasting dominion of this earth by the chief humans of mankind, just as the first father's dominion would have accomplished had Adam not sinned.

The desire to use these prophecies for other than that they were written for, has led you off to Timbuktu or Narnia. You cannot properly apply those prophecies the way Trinitarians, in their anxiousness to support their beliefs, do. To do so is to fail to follow the theme from it's beginning on thru the scripture and then to add insult to injury by improperly applying what those prophecies are referring to.

Mighty God in Isaiah 9:6
It is significant that the word for “God” is NOT Elohim, which may be used in a lower sense for those who are representatives of God, as in Exodus 7:1; Exodus 22:28, 1Samuel 28:13. The name appears again as applied DIRECTLY to Jehovah in Isaiah 10:21; Deuteronomy 10:17; Jeremiah 32:18; Nehemiah 9:32; Psalm 24:8; and the adjective in Isaiah 42:13.
The mighty God — This title can agree to no man but Christ, who was God as well as man, to whom the title of God or Jehovah is given, both in the Old and New Testaments, as Jeremiah 23:6; John 1:1; Romans 9:5; and in many other places. And it is a true observation, that this Hebrew word אל, eel, is never used in the singular number of any creature, but only of the Almighty God, as is evident by perusing all the texts where this word occurs.

 

[Wharton]

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So the 'Jesus believing,' fearful abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death?

 

[Pegg]

Questions are not responses to what I wrote. Please deal with my post. Either prove or disprove it.

Answers are often found in the question.

 

[JFish123]

Okay, I just sent a new one. Hopefully, it'll work this time.

Sadly still error sigh, sometimes I hate technology lol

 

[JFish123]

Answers are often found in the question.

Jesus is God?

 

[Pegg]

So the 'Jesus believing,' fearful abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death?

remember, revelation also says that 'death' and 'hell' are thrown in there too.

 

[Wharton]

What the scriptures teach. A place Eternally separated from God, what is called hell.

So most of God's creation is going to hell?

 

[Pegg]

You completely ignored every one of the Scriptures about Gehenna hell, which is the Lake of Fire......a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, a place of torments, outer darkness, sorrows, and everlasting destruction. Please explain all of those verses I posted for your consideration. I have posted them again in prayerful hope that you will carefully consider them.

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).

Death will be no more......
NO ONE WILL EVER DIE! Believers will never die. Unbelievers will never die.

Do you understand what Hades is? It is the unseen world of the dead, for both good and evil. It's where Abraham and Lazarus are. It's where the rich man is. They are separated by a great chasm. This place is temporary. It is NOT the Lake of Fire, which is Gehenna hell.

Earlier in Revelation, those who were said to have a part in the first resurrection would not suffer from the second death. Here the second death is identified for the readers. It is the death which results in the total and eternal separation from God into torment and punishment which will never end. The second death is the permanent one for which there will be no relief, no resurrection and no end. Those who would inherit eternal life must be a participant in the first resurrection in order to be protected from the horrors of the second death.

The lake of fire here is the final and eternal destination of all the unjust.

A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth -And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).

A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outerdarkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).

A place of torments -"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).

A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).

A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).

A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death"(Revelation 21:8).

A place where fire is not quenched -"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).

A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).

A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoeverreceiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).

The lake of fire is symbolic. It cannot be a literal place if death and hell are put there.

All who fall into the category of being wicked are going ti be destroyed eternally. Thats what it means to go into the lake of fire. Jehovah God is not a monster...he does not keep the wicked alive so he can torture them.... only Satan would want you to believe that.

 

[JFish123]

So most of God's creation is going to hell?

"Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." -Jesus
Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved and you have nothing to worry about. Then go and follow what He says.

 

[Wharton]

Taken in regards to Jesus being the twig out of the stump of Jesse (as foreshadowed by David), Jesus is with regard to mankind, "the everlasting father".

And if you wish to capitalize the name father that is alright so long as you don't step away from the intent of the prophecy, which is to point to the replacement Adam as the everlasting father of mankind.

Similarly, David proved to be a mighty warrior/king which is what the phrase, "the mighty god", at Isaiah 9:6 refers to.

Your mistake is that you are failing to follow the theme thru the OT which is about replacing the first human father of man who proved to be temporal, and re-establishing an everlasting dominion of this earth by the chief humans of mankind, just as the first father's dominion would have accomplished had Adam not sinned.

The desire to use these prophecies for other than that they were written for, has led you off to Timbuktu or Narnia. You cannot properly apply those prophecies the way Trinitarians, in their anxiousness to support their beliefs, do. To do so is to fail to follow the theme from it's beginning on thru the scripture and then to add insult to injury by improperly applying what those prophecies are referring to.

Father means 'teacher with authority." Jesus is the everlasting teacher with authority, who gets everything from his Father, THE teacher with authority.

 

[Wharton]

"Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." -Jesus
Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved and you have nothing to worry about. Then go and follow what He says.

Not much of a loving God, is he then? Create souls to be sent to hell.