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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

JFish123

Active Member
There were not numerous predictions but simply misinterpretation of scripture concerning one prophesy. Humans are not perfect and we claim no status as prophets.

But if you want to identify false worship...try Christendom.....talk about changing the Bible to fit their own theology! You've got to be kidding! I was part of that shambles once...I got out of that miserable excuse for Christianity quick smart once I realised how corrupted their teaching really were. I was so angry that I was lied to for the first 20 years of my life!




Since you provided no reference for this passage I can only assume it is the one speaking about Jehovah...not Jesus.

Why is it so difficult to understand that since Jesus is not Almighty God, he was used in a wonderful way by his Father in rescuing making from sin and death. He was Michael the Great Prince before his mission on earth and afterwards he continued in the service of his God and Father. It only gets complicated when you turn the son into his Father.
The Watchtower of April 1st, 1972, page 197, had this statement, "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?...These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses...Of course it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?"
Since the JW’s claim to be God’s prophet, we are free to put them to the Bible test for a prophet, found in Deuteronomy 18:18-20. Verse 22 of this same chapter says,
"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD (YHWH), if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken."
Verse 20 plainly says, "that prophet shall die". False prophecy cannot be "explained away" and treated lightly. The Watchtower has invited us to examine their record, and we will! All quotes are from publications of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and available at headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. Some of these publications may also be found in local Kingdom Hall libraries.
6,000 YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY PROPHECIES
6,000 years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872. (Daily Heavenly Manna, inside cover page).
6,000 years of human history ended in 1873.(The Time is at Hand, p.33)
6,000 years of human history ended in 1972.(The Truth Shall Make You Free, p.152, 1943 edition).
6,000 years of human history ended in 1975. (Awake!, October 8th, 1968, page 15).

ARMAGEDDON PROPHECIES
Armageddon would end in 1914. (The Time is at Hand. page 101, 1911 Edition).
Armageddon would end in 1915. (The Time is At Hand, page 101, 1915 Edition).

THE MILLENNIUM PROPHECIES
The Millennium began in 1873. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 305).
The Millennium began in 1874. (Finished Mystery, page 386).

PROPHECIES ON THE RESURRECTION
The resurrection would occur in 1878 (They Kingdom Come, page 234).
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old would return in 1925. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89).
The Watchtower Society even published a book telling their followers to add a room onto their houses, an get an undertaker to decorate it. Undertakes, of course, would be looking for employment, since there would be no more deaths in 1926. When the room was completed, Watchtower devotees were to call up Jerusalem, where Abraham would have an office, and request that their parent be "awakened" from death. They would soon appear in the new room! (The Way to Paradise, pages 228,229).

PROPHECIES ON SODOM and GOMORRAH
Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?
1. Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8.
2. No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338.
3. Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479.
4. No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31.
5. Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179.
6. No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179.
7. Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985.
8. No...Revelation book, page 273.
These changes are more like flashing lights, on and off again. How can the Watchtower be trusted with the afterlife?
And there's a lot more...
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
What do you think the 'judgement day' will involve?

And what do you think Jesus words mean when he says he send forth his angels

30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the Son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.+ 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.+

Revelation 1:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds,+ and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.+ Yes, Amen.

Do you think he's coming to have a tea party?


2 Thess 1:7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+from heaven with his powerful angels+ 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.+ 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction+ from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.


So I understand, you're saying that armaggedon and Judgment day are one and the same?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** w72 4/1 p. 197 ‘They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them’ ***
Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?

Should we review the record?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** kr p. 2 A Letter From the Governing Body *** (2014 God's Kingdom Rules)
PICTURE yourself as a member of the Brooklyn Bethel family on Friday morning, October 2, 1914. You are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of Brother C. T. Russell. Suddenly the door to the dining room opens and Brother Russell appears. He pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the Bethel family with a cheery “Good morning, all.” But then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day!” You can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time! Along with the rest of the Bethel family, you greet this exciting news with sustained, enthusiastic applause
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
You can't answer that question. Because you know you can't say the GB was right, because they've done changed the light. And if you say Christendom was right, you'll be going against the GB, which you could never do whether they are right or wrong. That's one of those questions you're taught to avoid.

I didnt avoid it.

I simply acknowledge that its something that each person has the right to decide for themselves based on their own investigation and powers of reason.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Yes, true. And in Jesus view of things, he said there would be a lot who would not be keeping the commandments at that crucial time.

I'm am sure there will be many that can't endure. Many will turn on there faith because of what's coming on the world.

Mat 24:11-14 (ESVST) . 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

I'm happy right now! We finally agree on something!!
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
So I understand, you're saying that armaggedon and Judgment day are one and the same?

Yes and no.

There will be a judging of this world which culminates into armageddon. That is when Jesus is seen 'coming with the clouds with power and his angels with him'
Then there is a judging of the resurrected ones which spans the length of Jesus millenial reign. This is the judgment spoken of by Mary when her brother lazarus had died and Jesus asked her if she believed he would live again... her response was "I know he will rise in the resurrection'

Armageddon comes before the resurrection day.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I'm am sure there will be many that can't endure. Many will turn on there faith because of what's coming on the world.

Mat 24:11-14 (ESVST) . 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

I'm happy right now! We finally agree on something!!

Great.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I simply acknowledge that its something that each person has the right to decide for themselves based on their own investigation and powers of reason.

I didnt avoid it.

You didn't avoid it? You haven't answered it yet. You acknowledged we have rights, but you didn't answer the question. So you have avoided it, correct?

Have you investigated anything that I have said about the GB? Powers of reason? How about the powers of "FACT"
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
You didn't avoid it? You haven't answered it yet. You acknowledged we have rights, but you didn't answer the question. So you have avoided it, correct?

Have you investigated anything that I have said about the GB? Powers of reason? How about the powers of "FACT"


Aaahhh thats because you have to answer it for yourself. My view is my own. You need to draw your own conclusions.

Im well aware of the changes in our understanding. The GB are well aware of changes in their understanding. The public are well aware of the changes the GB have made to their understanding because its publicly announced in the WT magazines.

I dont have a problem with adjustments in understanding.
 

JFish123

Active Member
I didnt watch the video... i've heard it all before and im not convinced in the slightest. :)
Ok but I just don't understand. As even the New World Translation states multiple times that Jesus is YHWY or Jehovah.
You can see for yourself if you have a minute. Psalms 102:25-27 (NWT)
"Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. But you are the same, and your years will never end."
Now, who is this scripture about? Jehovah right? It's saying Jehovahs immutable, in changeable, the creator of All things. It couldn't be anyone else. Only Jehovah created All things and doesn't change right?
Ok, now if you can, turn to Hebrews 1:6 (NWT)
6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
8 BUT ABOUT THE SON, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.*
9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
10 AND (Still speaking about the Son-Jesus): “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out,
12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”
And in the New World Translation there should be a little footnote that's says Psalm 102.
Psalm 102 is clearly about Jehovah. So why does the writer of Hebrews so plainly apply them to Jesus. Could you get back to me on that and maybe I can show you some more in the New World Translation. Thanks and God Bless.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Im well aware of the changes in our understanding. The GB are well aware of changes in their understanding. The public are well aware of the changes the GB have made to their understanding because its publicly announced in the WT magazines.

Pro 3:5-7 (ESVST) 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. 7 Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Aaahhh thats because you have to answer it for yourself. My view is my own. You need to draw your own conclusions.

I have asked myself, if the JW's truly have the truth, if they are really God's only people and the GB is the only channel that God uses, what would they have to hide? Why wouldn't each one of them be transparent about anything that is asked of them? You would think that if someone truly believed they had the only true religion in the world, why would they not answer any question that is asked of them about their church (organization). It kind of seems like JW's have something to hide, because there are a lot of questions that go unanswered.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
"Unless you believe I AM (which is the name of God) you will die in your sins"
-Jesus
Jesus never claimed to be God and the apostles never believed he was either. There is way more scripture that proves Jesus is NOT God, than vague inference in verses that trinitarians like to quote ad nauseum.

"I Am" was never God's name to begin with...at least if you are going to contribute something here do your own research. Yahweh (Jehovah) is God's name. "He causes to become" is the meaning. Do you know how many times Jesus said "I am..." Not once was he claiming to be God.

If you subscribe to the trinity, you have swallowed the greatest blasphemy ever perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Satan is laughing at you. This is all so old....I can't be bothered doing all this again. Read through the trinity threads...it's all there. If you came here to bash JW's you're a bit late. o_O
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
I have asked myself, if the JW's truly have the truth, if they are really God's only people and the GB is the only channel that God uses, what would they have to hide? Why wouldn't each one of them be transparent about anything that is asked of them? You would think that if someone truly believed they had the only true religion in the world, why would they not answer any question that is asked of them about their church (organization). It kind of seems like JW's have something to hide, because there are a lot of questions that go unanswered.
I can only marvel at the things you post...what on earth are you talking about? What is there to hide? What questions go unanswered? You do realise that there are a multitude of hate sites for JW's out there that post the most outrageous lies about us....they can do that all they like because only gullible ones who want to believe these things will.

I hope you inform the poor brother that is taking precious time out of his day to give freely to you will be told he is wasting his time with you. If you fail to tell him, you are being completely dishonest. Not something a Christian would do.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
If you subscribe to the trinity, you have swallowed the greatest blasphemy ever perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Satan is laughing at you.

No, this is the greatest blasphemy ever perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Satan is laughing at his own visible organization.

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.)

Jn 6:66-68 (ESVST) 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, "Do you want to go away as well?" 68 Simon Peter answered him, " Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

Act 4:10-12 (ESVST) . 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Jn 15:10-11 (ESVST) . 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

How dare they compare themselves with Jesus! Peter said Jesus has the words of eternal life. How can they compare their claim with John 6:66

There is salvation in NO ONE but Jesus. But they claim there is no place else to get it.!! BLASPHEMY!!
 
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