Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[JayJayDee]

Like I said, the blind leading the blind? You really think God gives two cares if I celebrate my daughters birthday? Are we not taught to "HONOR" our wives? I don't put my daughter above God, God gets all my praise and worship. I don't worship my daughter on her birthday, but I do honor her.


I see only two groups of people, the saved and condemned, children of God and children of the devil.

Mar 16:15-16 (ESVST) 15 And he said to them, " Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


You can break those groups down though.

SAVED: brothers, saints, children, sons, kings, priests, wheat, righteous.

CONDEMNED: goats, children, wicked, weeds, unrighteous,

You are convinced of your position...so be it. No point in wasting my time either. You can never say that we didn't try. Have a nice life.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I can only marvel at the things you post...what on earth are you talking about? What is there to hide? What questions go unanswered? You do realise that there are a multitude of hate sites for JW's out there that post the most outrageous lies about us....they can do that all they like because only gullible ones who want to believe these things will.

The WT taught that Jesus appointed the GB over all His belongings in 1919. The WT taught that Jesus has been separating the sheep and the goats since 1919, the WT taught that the tribulation started in 1914. The WT focused on these "TRUTHS" for 100 years. Christendom didn't focus on or teach them, who was right?

There's my question, will you answer it? Who was right in their teaching?

 

[JFish123]

Jesus never claimed to be God and the apostles never believed he was either. There is way more scripture that proves Jesus is NOT God, than vague inference in verses that trinitarians like to quote ad nauseum.

"I Am" was never God's name to begin with...at least if you are going to contribute something here do your own research. Yahweh (Jehovah) is God's name. "He causes to become" is the meaning. Do you know how many times Jesus said "I am..." Not once was he claiming to be God.

If you subscribe to the trinity, you have swallowed the greatest blasphemy ever perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Satan is laughing at you. This is all so old....I can't be bothered doing all this again. Read through the trinity threads...it's all there. If you came here to bash JW's you're a bit late.

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I'll give you the same thing I did another JW as well. As The New World Translation states multiple times that Jesus is YHWY or Jehovah. You can see for yourself if you have a minute. Psalms 102:25-27 (NWT) "Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. But you are the same, and your years will never end." Now, who is this scripture about? Jehovah right? It's saying Jehovahs immutable, in changeable, the creator of All things. It couldn't be anyone else. Only Jehovah created All things and doesn't change right? Ok, now if you can, turn to Hebrews 1:6 (NWT) 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” 7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” 8 BUT ABOUT THE SON, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.” 10 AND (Still speaking about the Son-Jesus): “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.” And in the New World Translation there should be a little footnote that's says Psalm 102. Psalm 102 is clearly about Jehovah. So why does the writer of Hebrews so plainly apply them to Jesus. Could you get back to me on that and maybe I can show you some more in the New World Translation.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I hope you inform the poor brother that is taking precious time out of his day to give freely to you will be told he is wasting his time with you. If you fail to tell him, you are being completely dishonest. Not something a Christian would do.

I'm trying to save the poor brother. But he is trained well too. He avoids questions also.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Good night all. I humbly apologize to everyone I have offended. It was not my intention. I do tend to get carried away at times.

 

[JFish123]

Jesus is God. He said it, His miracles mirrored it, the prophets prophesied it, His followers worshipped Him for it, and even the New World Translation states it. Have a Good Night Everybody

 

[Pegg]

Ok but I just don't understand. As even the New World Translation states multiple times that Jesus is YHWY or Jehovah.
You can see for yourself if you have a minute. Psalms 102:25-27 (NWT)
"Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. But you are the same, and your years will never end."
Now, who is this scripture about? Jehovah right? It's saying Jehovahs immutable, in changeable, the creator of All things. It couldn't be anyone else. Only Jehovah created All things and doesn't change right?
Ok, now if you can, turn to Hebrews 1:6 (NWT)
6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
8 BUT ABOUT THE SON, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.*
9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
10 AND (Still speaking about the Son-Jesus): “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out,
12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”
And in the New World Translation there should be a little footnote that's says Psalm 102.
Psalm 102 is clearly about Jehovah. So why does the writer of Hebrews so plainly apply them to Jesus. Could you get back to me on that and maybe I can show you some more in the New World Translation. Thanks and God Bless.

The writer of Hebrews swings backwards and forwards in speaking about Jehovah and Jesus. Some of the verses refer to Christ as the one God has anointed... In fact the scriptures there say that Jehovah is the God of Jesus. "That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation"

I see nothing to indicate that Jehovah is Jesus or vice versa. God anointed Jesus, his firstborn. Who should be praised for that? Obviously Jehovah should be receiving praise for providing his son and Jesus should recieve praise for submitting this Fathers will. The writer is merely praising both interchangeably.

 

[Pegg]

I have asked myself, if the JW's truly have the truth, if they are really God's only people and the GB is the only channel that God uses, what would they have to hide? Why wouldn't each one of them be transparent about anything that is asked of them? You would think that if someone truly believed they had the only true religion in the world, why would they not answer any question that is asked of them about their church (organization). It kind of seems like JW's have something to hide, because there are a lot of questions that go unanswered.

I've had all my questions answered. I was quite satisfied with the answers.

 

[Pegg]

Jesus is God. He said it, His miracles mirrored it, the prophets prophesied it, His followers worshipped Him for it, and even the New World Translation states it. Have a Good Night Everybody

Jesus apostles also performed miracles. The apostle Paul and Peter brought a dead person to life and healed the sick. Are they also Jehovah?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Consider this....all who go to heaven must leave their sinful flesh behind in order to be "born again" as spirit sons of God. This is so that they can exist in heaven. Flesh and blood cannot go there but are confined to the earth as they must depend on what the earth supplies in order to keep living. This is what it means to be mortal.

1Co 15:50-55 (ESVST)
50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

" Death is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?"

I see no hint of only 144,000. The writer says "we all shall be changed." "We all shall put on immortality."

 

[djhwoodwerks]

JW's, this is a prophecy. It is a statement of fact.

Isa 9:6-7 (ESVST)
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end. COMPARE 1914, 1918, 1919.


This is not a prophecy. This is a question.

Mat 24:45 (ESVST) 45 " Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

 

[katiemygirl]

JW's, this is a prophecy. It is a statement of fact.

Isa 9:6-7 (ESVST)
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end. COMPARE 1914, 1918, 1919.


This is not a prophecy. This is a question.

Mat 24:45 (ESVST) 45 " Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

It's a parable.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Matt 5:3 “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need,*+ since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them....
5 “Happy are the mild-tempered,*+ since they will inherit the earth.

Ps 37:11
But the meek will possess the earth,+
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace

2 Peter 3:But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise,+ and in these righteousness is to dwell

I think I get it now. The poor in spirit aren't meek, so they will go to heaven.

Mat 5:3 (ESVST) 3 " Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


And the meek aren't poor in spirit so they get the earth.

Mat 5:5 (ESVST) 5 " Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.


And the meek aren't peacemakers.Only the anointed are called sons, correct"
Mat 5:9 (ESVST) 9 " Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.


And the meek don't get persecuted for righteousness sake
Mat 5:10 (ESVST) 10 " Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness 'sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


This isn't the meek either
Mat 5:11-12 (ESVST) 11 " Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


So, the meek are just meek, nothing else, that's why that get the earth. They are not good enough for heaven.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It's a parable.

Good morning Katie! Which one is a parable?

 

[savagewind]

Yes, true. And in Jesus view of things, he said there would be a lot who would not be keeping the commandments at that crucial time.

What are Jesus commandments? You must love The Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul. Now if you love God with ALL your mind you can't foster any lie. What else? You must love your neighbor as yourself. Now if you would love someone to shut you up, then sure, you will be able to shut someone else up in love and I believe that. I do. I am being very serious. What else? You feed, refresh, visit and help one of the least of the brothers of Christ. Now, I understand I am not male, but I think his command encompasses everyone loving him. What does least mean? Maybe it means someone who does not share all your superior qualities in Christ.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Aaahhh thats because you have to answer it for yourself. My view is my own. You need to draw your own conclusions.

I have answered it, God's only channel to this world was wrong. It took them 100 years to figure it out and correct it, but they admitted it, why can't you? Christendom was correct for the 100 years, I admit that.

 

[katiemygirl]

Good morning Katie! Which one is a parable?

Good Morning! Matthew 24:45 the faithful servant is a parable, not a prophesy.

 

[savagewind]

I'm trying to save the poor brother. But he is trained well too. He avoids questions also.

When I was becoming a Jehovah's Witness my father who was not a JW but went to meetings to listen told me that there are other ways to interpret what The Bible really says. JWs are well-trained from the start to be deaf to all opposition so I shrugged him off. I have sinned, of course, in my life and I believe in God's forgiveness of all that I have done wrong but I shall never forgive myself for that day I did not listen. I really want to know what he would have said.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

Ok but I just don't understand. As even the New World Translation states multiple times that Jesus is YHWY or Jehovah.
You can see for yourself if you have a minute. Psalms 102:25-27 (NWT)
"Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. But you are the same, and your years will never end."
Now, who is this scripture about? Jehovah right? It's saying Jehovahs immutable, in changeable, the creator of All things. It couldn't be anyone else. Only Jehovah created All things and doesn't change right?
Ok, now if you can, turn to Hebrews 1:6 (NWT)
6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”
8 BUT ABOUT THE SON, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.*
9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
10 AND (Still speaking about the Son-Jesus): “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out,
12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”
And in the New World Translation there should be a little footnote that's says Psalm 102.
Psalm 102 is clearly about Jehovah. So why does the writer of Hebrews so plainly apply them to Jesus. Could you get back to me on that and maybe I can show you some more in the New World Translation. Thanks and God Bless.

The Jewish Bible reads:

Psalms 45:
6 Your throne, God, will last forever and ever; you rule your kingdom with a scepter of equity.
7 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of joy in preference to your companions

The correct view is that God is the throne (or, the authority) upon which any true king sits.

There is no real throne but that the throne be a seat wherein one is able to sit by the authority of God.

One day you will get past the deception you now labor in.

 

[savagewind]

Erroneous statements by the Watchtower must be believed by Jehovah's Witnesses.....because "we must understand we must have unity, we cannot have disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is suppose to march in step.....Q. A false prophesy was promulgated? A. I agree that. Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses? A. That is correct Q. If a member of JWs took the view himself that that prophesy was wrong and said so would he be disfellowshipped? A. Yes.

"Unity at all cost"

Q. And unity based on an enforced acceptance of false prophecy? A. That is conceded to be true. Q. And the person who expressed his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the Covenant, if he was baptized? A. That is correct Q. And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death? A. I think.... Q. Would you say yes or no? A. I will answer yes, unhesitatingly

So say the shepherds of the Jehovah's Witnesses