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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** w81 12/1 p. 4 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***
But later on while eating his last supper with his disciples, he said: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but you will behold me, because I live and you will live.” (John 19:14)

John 14:18-19 (ESVST) 19 yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. (They always stop at the verse that fits their teaching)

John 14:22-23 (ESVST) 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, "Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?" 23 Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.




*** w81 12/1 p. 5 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***

We have an immediate clue to these questions in Jesus’ warning to his followers: “If anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you.” (Matt. 24:23-25) This indicates that Christ’s presence will not be visible at this or at that geographical location. (My, my, my who is trying to deceive? How can they use this to validate their teaching? If they are using this to validate their teaching, they just proved themselves false. Because they say Jesus came back, and Jesus said don't believe them)


Mat 24:21-28 (ESVST) 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ' Look, here is the Christ! 'or ' There he is! 'do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ' Look, he is in the wilderness, ' do not go out. If they say, ' Look, he is in the inner rooms, ' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. (What does verse 21 say? During the tribulation.) (What does verse 27 say? Doesn’t sound like an invisible coming to me, unless no one can see lightning)





*** w81 12/1 p. 7 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***
In two instances, he appeared to his disciples when they were together in a room “although the doors were locked.” Certainly no normal flesh-and-blood creature could appear and disappear in such circumstances. (John 20:19, 26; 1 Cor. 15:3-8.)



John 2:18-22 (ESVST) 18 So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?" 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews then said, "It has taken forty- six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?" 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. (Didn’t Jesus say He would raise His “BODY”?)



Luke 24:37-39 (ESVST) 38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have “flesh and bone’s as you see that I have. (Where do you get flesh and blood? Jesus said “FLESH AND BONE” His blood was spilled out at Calvary.)



 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** ws chap. 1 pp. 10-11 par. 16 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. This spiritual nation is like a little flock of Jehovah’s sheep like ones. (Romans 9:6; Revelation 7:4)

Rom 9:6 (ESVST) 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel. (This does not validate the above statement)

Rev 7:3-4 (ESVST) ." 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel (Why does this group need a mediator if they are sealed and anointed?)


1Ti 2:4-6 (ESVST) . 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all.

This doesn't say, "between God and spiritual Israel" it says, "between God and MEN."

MEN (STRONG) a manslayer, murderer g0444. ἄνθρωπος anthrōpos; from 435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance; from 3700); man- faced, i. e. a human being:— certain, man. AV (559)- man 552, not tr 4, misc 3; a human being, whether male or female generically, to include all human individuals to distinguish man from beings of a different order

My how they twist the scriptures!

I was going to use this verse to show that Jesus is not a Spirit creature, until I thought about their other claim about the mediator. But, this verse says, the MAN Christ Jesus, not, the SPIRIT CREATURE Christ Jesus.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
*** w81 12/1 p. 4 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***
But later on while eating his last supper with his disciples, he said: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but you will behold me, because I live and you will live.” (John 19:14)

John 14:18-19 (ESVST) 19 yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. (They always stop at the verse that fits their teaching)

John 14:22-23 (ESVST) 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, "Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?" 23 Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.




*** w81 12/1 p. 5 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***

We have an immediate clue to these questions in Jesus’ warning to his followers: “If anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you.” (Matt. 24:23-25) This indicates that Christ’s presence will not be visible at this or at that geographical location. (My, my, my who is trying to deceive? How can they use this to validate their teaching? If they are using this to validate their teaching, they just proved themselves false. Because they say Jesus came back, and Jesus said don't believe them)


Mat 24:21-28 (ESVST) 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ' Look, here is the Christ! 'or ' There he is! 'do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ' Look, he is in the wilderness, ' do not go out. If they say, ' Look, he is in the inner rooms, ' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. (What does verse 21 say? During the tribulation.) (What does verse 27 say? Doesn’t sound like an invisible coming to me, unless no one can see lightning)





*** w81 12/1 p. 7 Could Christ Return Without Being Seen? ***
In two instances, he appeared to his disciples when they were together in a room “although the doors were locked.” Certainly no normal flesh-and-blood creature could appear and disappear in such circumstances. (John 20:19, 26; 1 Cor. 15:3-8.)



John 2:18-22 (ESVST) 18 So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?" 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews then said, "It has taken forty- six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?" 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. (Didn’t Jesus say He would raise His “BODY”?)



Luke 24:37-39 (ESVST) 38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have “flesh and bone’s as you see that I have. (Where do you get flesh and blood? Jesus said “FLESH AND BONE” His blood was spilled out at Calvary.)



Rev. 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus' second coming will be no secret. Every eye will see Him!

Any claims that say Jesus came are false. Jesus Himself forewarned us not to believe these claims. He said those who say these things are false prophets.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Rev. 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus' second coming will be no secret. Every eye will see Him!

Any claims that say Jesus came are false. Jesus Himself forewarned us not to believe these claims. He said those who say these things are false prophets.


secondcomming.jpg
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He will have to be in more than one place for every eye to see him as the earth is round. Or he will have to criss-cross the earth and how long will that take? In each place, he will have to hover until everyone comes out to look up. Every eye includes the blind, the lame who can't come out, and babies. Yes or no?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
He will have to be in more than one place for every eye to see him as the earth is round. Or he will have to criss-cross the earth and how long will that take? In each place, he will have to hover until everyone comes out to look up. Every eye includes the blind, the lame who can't come out, and babies. Yes or no?

We have to remember, Jesus exists outside of space and time, we are not. It is most certain that we, being bound by space and time can't comprehend what it will be like when He comes back. Who can imagine what it will be and look like when time is no more, space is no more. I'm excited!
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
We have to remember, Jesus exists outside of space and time, we are not. It is most certain that we, being bound by space and time can't comprehend what it will be like when He comes back. Who can imagine what it will be and look like when time is no more, space is no more. I'm excited!
I am sure physical things need space to exist.
 

JFish123

Active Member
The writer of Hebrews swings backwards and forwards in speaking about Jehovah and Jesus. Some of the verses refer to Christ as the one God has anointed... In fact the scriptures there say that Jehovah is the God of Jesus. "That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation"

I see nothing to indicate that Jehovah is Jesus or vice versa. God anointed Jesus, his firstborn. Who should be praised for that? Obviously Jehovah should be receiving praise for providing his son and Jesus should recieve praise for submitting this Fathers will. The writer is merely praising both interchangeably.



The verses are a continuation of the Son from verse 8-12 with no a back and forth. But I digress...
Let us look at the gospel of John chapter 12 in the New World Translation. Here at the end of chapter 12, is is towards the end of Jesus' public ministry. And this is before the private ministry to the disciples. And verse 39...
39 The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said:
40 “He has blinded their eyes and has made their hearts hard, so that they would not see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn around and I heal them.”
41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.
Now I'm sure you've read that before, but have you ever stopped and asked yourself the question.
"...these things because he saw his glory." In the context, it's only Jesus. So when did Isaiah see Jesus' glory? Well, we just had a quotation so where's the citation from? From Isaiah chapter 6. You know Isaiah chapter 6 I'm sure. It's about the prophets vision of Jehovah sitting upon His throne...
6 In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two.
3 And one called to the other:
“Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.The whole earth is filled with his glory.”
4 And the pivots of the thresholds quivered at the sound of the shouting, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then I said: “Woe to me!
I am as good as dead,
For I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies himself!”
The quotation from Isaiah 6 is from verse 10...
10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, Make their ears unresponsive,And paste their eyes together,So that they may not see with their eyes and hear with their ears,So that their heart may not understand and they may not turn back and be healed.”
So do you see what John is saying in John chapter 12? When he said, Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
If you asked Isaiah... "Isaiah? Who did you see in Isaiah chapter 6?" Isaiah's response would have been, YHWY. YHWY was sitting upon HiS throne lofty and lifted up.
But if you asked John, "Who did Isaiah see?" Johns answer, is Jesus. The one sitting upon the throne, is Jesus.
 

JFish123

Active Member
The Jewish Bible reads:

Psalms 45:
6 Your throne, God, will last forever and ever; you rule your kingdom with a scepter of equity.
7 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of joy in preference to your companions

The correct view is that God is the throne (or, the authority) upon which any true king sits.

There is no real throne but that the throne be a seat wherein one is able to sit by the authority of God.

One day you will get past the deception you now labor in.
Let us look at the gospel of John chapter 12 in the New World Translation. Here at the end of chapter 12, is is towards the end of Jesus' public ministry. And this is before the private ministry to the disciples. And verse 39...
39 The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said:
40 “He has blinded their eyes and has made their hearts hard, so that they would not see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn around and I heal them.”
41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.
Now I'm sure you've read that before, but have you ever stopped and asked yourself the question.
"...these things because he saw his glory." In the context, it's only Jesus. So when did Isaiah see Jesus' glory? Well, we just had a quotation so where's the citation from? From Isaiah chapter 6. You know Isaiah chapter 6 I'm sure. It's about the prophets vision of Jehovah sitting upon His throne...
6 In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two.
3 And one called to the other:
“Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.The whole earth is filled with his glory.”
4 And the pivots of the thresholds quivered at the sound of the shouting, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then I said: “Woe to me!
I am as good as dead,
For I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies himself!”
The quotation from Isaiah 6 is from verse 10...
10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, Make their ears unresponsive,And paste their eyes together,So that they may not see with their eyes and hear with their ears,So that their heart may not understand and they may not turn back and be healed.”
So do you see what John is saying in John chapter 12? When he said, Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
If you asked Isaiah... "Isaiah? Who did you see in Isaiah chapter 6?" Isaiah's response would have been, YHWY. YHWY was sitting upon HiS throne lofty and lifted up.
But if you asked John, "Who did Isaiah see?" Johns answer, is Jesus. The one sitting upon the throne, is Jesus.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Jn 2:18-21 (ESVST) 18 So the Jews said to him, " What sign do you show us for doing these things?" 19 Jesus answered them, " Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews then said, " It has taken forty- six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?" 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

Luk 24:38-39 (ESVST) ? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have

1Co 15:50-53 (ESVST) . 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality

1Jo 3:1-3 (ESVST) 1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are God 's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Where is the "TRUTH" that God appointed the GB as the "ONLY" channel? Where can I find that "TRUTH"? From the Bible, not JW literature.


It was Jesus who appointed his faithful and discreet slave( anointed teachers) to give food( spiritual) at the proper time( Matt 24:45)( means when God wills a truth to be known)progressive)--especially these truths that were hidden until these last days-Daniel 12:4) but now the light is very bright.
Jesus' truths prove the GB are those teachers.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
It was Jesus who appointed his faithful and discreet slave( anointed teachers) to give food( spiritual) at the proper time( Matt 24:45)( means when God wills a truth to be known)progressive)--especially these truths that were hidden until these last days-Daniel 12:4) but now the light is very bright.
Jesus' truths prove the GB are those teachers.

If that is what you choose to believe. Why didn't the world need the slave before 1914? All those past centuries weren't worthy?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
What you really mean is that it takes learning and applying what Watchtower calls truth.

Watchtower's so-called truths are not Jesus' truths.

Bottom line, you cannot prove that the GB is God's exclusive channel with the Scriptures.



Then can you prove someone besides the Father who is YHVH(Jehovah) sent Jesus? Every supposed Christian scholar knows Gods word teaches the Father sent Jesus. And at John 17:1-6,26--Jesus clearly teaches all who believe him--The one who sent him is-THE ONLY TRUE GOD--- and one must take in knowledge( know him) and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= YHVH(Jehovah--26= YHVH(Jehovah) --- it just takes believing Jesus over mens dogma.
 
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