djhwoodwerks
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I like the way the KJV says it,
Col 2:8-9 (NKJV) 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 2:8-9 (NKJV) 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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Looked it up because that is what I do. Do you?
Two scriptures I see.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the deity bodily.
Looks up "fullness". It means "fulfilment" Did you know that?
God's purpose is fulfilled in Jesus. God's purpose is not fulfilled in me or in you. So there is a difference.
What's the other one? Colossians 1:19
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Same thing. It means in Jesus fulfilled God's will was fulfilled. Or another way of putting it is Jesus is the completion of what God had set in motion with Abraham.
Jesus is the seed.
The seed got planted.
Voila! Now more seeds. These seeds are not God fulfilled in them because God was fulfilled in Jesus. Once filled, always filled.
Two scriptures I see.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the deity bodily.
Looks up "fullness". It means "fulfilment" Did you know that?
God's purpose is fulfilled in Jesus. God's purpose is not fulfilled in me or in you. So there is a difference.
What's the other one? Colossians 1:19
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Same thing. It means in Jesus fulfilled God's will was fulfilled. Or another way of putting it is Jesus is the completion of what God had set in motion with Abraham.
Jesus is the seed.
The seed got planted.
Voila! Now more seeds. These seeds are not God fulfilled in them because God was fulfilled in Jesus. Once filled, always filled.
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God is love. God is a spirit and those worshipping God must worship in spirit and truth so ya, God is just God's spirit.
It is because Jesus witnessed for his Father and so should we is what they say.
Once fulfilled, always fulfilled. Is that not the sacred secret?
You people want an idol. It is disgusting.
Mountain_Climber
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But isn't that similar to what happened the first time?
He came in the flesh, as quite obviously the signs indicated, but only few were willing to recognize him as having came in the flesh?
He even had his coming being announced to the then world, still, only few were willing to recognize him.
What man sees and what man is willing to admit to seeing are two different things.
Jesus' name in the New Testament is above The name Jehovah. Here's the Scriptural Truth to back it up...
In whose name should warmest together (Matthew 18:20, 1 Corinthians 5:4)?
Demons are subject to whose name (Luke 10:17, Acts 16:18)?
Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name (Luke 24:47)?
In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness if sins (John 1:12, 3:16, Acts 10:43, 1 John 3:23, 5:13)?
By whose name, and no other, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)?
Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer (John 14:13-14, 15:16, 16:23-24)?
In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent (John 14:26)?
Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame (Acts 3:16, 4:7-10, 30)
Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1Corinthians 1:2)?
Whose name is above Every Name (Ephesians 1:21, Philippians 2:9-11)?
In The book of Acts 1:8, Jesus affirmed to the disciples:
8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and YOU WILL BE WITNESSES OF ME in Jerusalem, in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” (NWT)
We are called to be witnesses of Jesus, Not Jehovah.
In whose name should warmest together (Matthew 18:20, 1 Corinthians 5:4)?
Demons are subject to whose name (Luke 10:17, Acts 16:18)?
Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name (Luke 24:47)?
In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness if sins (John 1:12, 3:16, Acts 10:43, 1 John 3:23, 5:13)?
By whose name, and no other, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)?
Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer (John 14:13-14, 15:16, 16:23-24)?
In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent (John 14:26)?
Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame (Acts 3:16, 4:7-10, 30)
Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1Corinthians 1:2)?
Whose name is above Every Name (Ephesians 1:21, Philippians 2:9-11)?
In The book of Acts 1:8, Jesus affirmed to the disciples:
8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and YOU WILL BE WITNESSES OF ME in Jerusalem, in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” (NWT)
We are called to be witnesses of Jesus, Not Jehovah.
It is as a true father puts his children ahead of himself. Also, it is written the throne of God and the judgement is given Jesus.
No ones answered this yet so I'll post am this one a last time....
Let us look at the gospel of John chapter 12 in the New World Translation. Here at the end of chapter 12, is is towards the end of Jesus' public ministry. And this is before the private ministry to the disciples. And verse 39...
39 The reason why they were not able to believe is that again Isaiah said:
40 “He has blinded their eyes and has made their hearts hard, so that they would not see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn around and I heal them.”
41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him.
Now I'm sure you've read that before, but have you ever stopped and asked yourself the question.
"...these things because he saw his glory." In the context, it's only Jesus. So when did Isaiah see Jesus' glory? Well, we just had a quotation so where's the citation from? From Isaiah chapter 6. You know Isaiah chapter 6 I'm sure. It's about the prophets vision of Jehovah sitting upon His throne...
6 In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two.
3 And one called to the other:
“Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.The whole earth is filled with his glory.”
4 And the pivots of the thresholds quivered at the sound of the shouting, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then I said: “Woe to me!
I am as good as dead,
For I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies himself!”
The quotation from Isaiah 6 is from verse 10...
10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, Make their ears unresponsive,And paste their eyes together,So that they may not see with their eyes and hear with their ears,So that their heart may not understand and they may not turn back and be healed.”
So do you see what John is saying in John chapter 12? When he said, Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
If you asked Isaiah... "Isaiah? Who did you see in Isaiah chapter 6?" Isaiah's response would have been, YHWY. YHWY was sitting upon HiS throne lofty and lifted up.
But if you asked John, "Who did Isaiah see?" Johns answer, is Jesus. The one sitting upon the throne, is Jesus.
Right! Scripture is very clear that Jesus rules in the place of YHVH. Does that make him YHVH. I think not.
- Solomon was not the oldest son of David, but David promised Bathsheba that Solomon would be the next king. When David's elder son Adonijah declared himself king, David ordered his servants to bring Solomon to the Gihon spring where the priest anointed him while David was still alive.
If Jesus is not God but rules in the place of God then that makes Jesus God If He rules in Gods place. Either that or God is a liar...
"I will not share my glory with another."
-Isaiah 42:8
The New World Translation has been rebuked by so many Greek and Hebrew scholars for it's many errors and a completely biased translation to fit the Watchtowers ideology into the Bible, instead of the other way around.
Dr. Robert Countess, who wrote a doctoral dissertation on the text of the NWT concluded that the translation "has been sharply unsuccessful in keeping doctrinal considerations from influencing the actual translation. It must be viewed as a radically biased piece of work. At some points it is actually dishonest. At others, it is neither modern nor scholarly." No wonder British scholar H.H. Rowley asserted, "from the beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated." Indeed, Rowley said, this translation is, "an insult to the word of God."
Dr. Julius Mantey, author of 'A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament', calls the NWT "a shocking mistranslation."
Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, professor of New Testament at Princeton University calls the NWT "a frightful mistranslation," "erroneous," "pernicious," and "reprehensible."
In view of the wide spread "thumbs down" by Bible scholars, it is highly revealing that the Watchtower Society has always resisted efforts to identify members if the NWT committee. The claim was that they preferred to remain anonymous and humble. But an unbiased observer will also note that such anonymity also shields the translators from any blame for errors or distortions. And it prevents scholars from checking their credentials.
The Watchtower Society must have been utterly embarrassed when the names of the translators of the NWT were made public. The reason for this was that the translators were completely unqualified for the task.
4 out of 5 men in the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training whatsoever (they had only a high school education). The fifth was Fred W. Franz, who claimed to know Hebrew and Greek, but upon further examination under oath in court, he was found to fail a simple Hebrew test.
Note that the following cross-examination is from that court. It took place in November 24, 1954...
"Have you made yourself familiar with Hebrew?"
"Yes."
"So you have a substantial linguistic apparatus at your command?"
"Yes, for use in my biblical work."
The following day, Franz was put on the stand again, and the following interview took place...
"You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew do you?"
"I do not speak Hebrew."
"You do not?"
"No."
"Can you translate that into Hebrew?"
"Which?"
"That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis."
"You mean here."
"Yes."
"No, I won't attempt to do that."
While Jehovahs Witnesses may not want to hear it, the truth of the matter is that Franz, like the others on the New World Translation Committee, could not translate Hebrew or Greek with any real proficiency. It is our duty as Christians, as Followers of Jesus Christ to tell them in Love that there being deceived about God, about Jesus, about what's actually written in the Bible by the Watchtower Society. There very souls are at stake...
Dr. Robert Countess, who wrote a doctoral dissertation on the text of the NWT concluded that the translation "has been sharply unsuccessful in keeping doctrinal considerations from influencing the actual translation. It must be viewed as a radically biased piece of work. At some points it is actually dishonest. At others, it is neither modern nor scholarly." No wonder British scholar H.H. Rowley asserted, "from the beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated." Indeed, Rowley said, this translation is, "an insult to the word of God."
Dr. Julius Mantey, author of 'A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament', calls the NWT "a shocking mistranslation."
Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, professor of New Testament at Princeton University calls the NWT "a frightful mistranslation," "erroneous," "pernicious," and "reprehensible."
In view of the wide spread "thumbs down" by Bible scholars, it is highly revealing that the Watchtower Society has always resisted efforts to identify members if the NWT committee. The claim was that they preferred to remain anonymous and humble. But an unbiased observer will also note that such anonymity also shields the translators from any blame for errors or distortions. And it prevents scholars from checking their credentials.
The Watchtower Society must have been utterly embarrassed when the names of the translators of the NWT were made public. The reason for this was that the translators were completely unqualified for the task.
4 out of 5 men in the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training whatsoever (they had only a high school education). The fifth was Fred W. Franz, who claimed to know Hebrew and Greek, but upon further examination under oath in court, he was found to fail a simple Hebrew test.
Note that the following cross-examination is from that court. It took place in November 24, 1954...
"Have you made yourself familiar with Hebrew?"
"Yes."
"So you have a substantial linguistic apparatus at your command?"
"Yes, for use in my biblical work."
The following day, Franz was put on the stand again, and the following interview took place...
"You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew do you?"
"I do not speak Hebrew."
"You do not?"
"No."
"Can you translate that into Hebrew?"
"Which?"
"That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis."
"You mean here."
"Yes."
"No, I won't attempt to do that."
While Jehovahs Witnesses may not want to hear it, the truth of the matter is that Franz, like the others on the New World Translation Committee, could not translate Hebrew or Greek with any real proficiency. It is our duty as Christians, as Followers of Jesus Christ to tell them in Love that there being deceived about God, about Jesus, about what's actually written in the Bible by the Watchtower Society. There very souls are at stake...
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
SW, are you a JW or a recent ex-JW?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
That's why they took their NWT from Johannes Greber. His translation was the only one that backed their beliefs.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w14 6/1 p. 11 What Hope for My Ancestors? ***
When the unrighteous are resurrected, will they be judged on the basis of their past actions? No. Romans 6:7 states: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”The unrighteous will have paid for their sins by dying. Thus, they will be judged on the basis of what they do after their resurrection, not what they did in ignorance before they died. How will they benefit?
After resurrection, the unrighteous will have opportunity to learn God’s laws, which will be revealed when symbolic scrolls are opened. They will then be judged “according to their deeds,” that is, whether they obey God’s laws or not. (Revelation 20:12, 13) For many of the unrighteous, this will be, not a second chance, but their first real opportunity to gain eternal life on earth by learning and doing God’s will.
Why don't we all just live any way we want!! We're not going to be judged for what we do anyway!
Poor Jesus, I wonder what He thought when He got back to heaven and God told Him, eh, I changed my mind, your death didn't mean squat, I still want them to die to pay for their sins.
Yep, live it up folks, we can claim ignorance. We'll get another chance after the resurrection.
If you're unrighteous and 80 years old, don't sweat it, you'll get another 1,000 years to learn God's laws.
LMBO!! So is satan! He is laughing at the stupidity he has got the JW's to believe.
Look at the verse they use to make their claim Romans 6:7. Lol, lol, lol, lol!!! Satan himself is directing this organization!
Rom 6:1-9 (NKJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
JW's don't even know the "TRUTH" about baptism.
How in the name of "TRUTH" can you take one verse out of context and make a doctrine out of it????
Do any of you read anything except what the WT references? If you can't see that false teaching then, this prophecy about you,
2Th 2:8-12 (ESVST) 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Co 4:3-4 (ESVST) 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
When the unrighteous are resurrected, will they be judged on the basis of their past actions? No. Romans 6:7 states: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”The unrighteous will have paid for their sins by dying. Thus, they will be judged on the basis of what they do after their resurrection, not what they did in ignorance before they died. How will they benefit?
After resurrection, the unrighteous will have opportunity to learn God’s laws, which will be revealed when symbolic scrolls are opened. They will then be judged “according to their deeds,” that is, whether they obey God’s laws or not. (Revelation 20:12, 13) For many of the unrighteous, this will be, not a second chance, but their first real opportunity to gain eternal life on earth by learning and doing God’s will.
Why don't we all just live any way we want!! We're not going to be judged for what we do anyway!
Poor Jesus, I wonder what He thought when He got back to heaven and God told Him, eh, I changed my mind, your death didn't mean squat, I still want them to die to pay for their sins.
Yep, live it up folks, we can claim ignorance. We'll get another chance after the resurrection.
If you're unrighteous and 80 years old, don't sweat it, you'll get another 1,000 years to learn God's laws.
LMBO!! So is satan! He is laughing at the stupidity he has got the JW's to believe.
Look at the verse they use to make their claim Romans 6:7. Lol, lol, lol, lol!!! Satan himself is directing this organization!
Rom 6:1-9 (NKJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
JW's don't even know the "TRUTH" about baptism.
How in the name of "TRUTH" can you take one verse out of context and make a doctrine out of it????
Do any of you read anything except what the WT references? If you can't see that false teaching then, this prophecy about you,
2Th 2:8-12 (ESVST) 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Co 4:3-4 (ESVST) 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Lol! Yes, I posted every scripture.