Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[Awoon]

The why are you here? You should be at God's side with the other sinless deity.

This is a hobby for me. I've posted before I been there and done that as a Christian. Ya see I don't have to use the Bible to call people Sinners. You all do it to yourselves and try to get me to join yous.

 

[james2ko]

Unless you believe that Judaism and Christianity are the same faith, your statement here is incorrect. There were sects in Judaism (denounced by Jesus)...Christianity as such didn't yet exist. It is true that some viewed those belonging to "The Way" as a sect of Judaism...but that was not true. Sectarianism was never promoted by Jesus.Paul said of Christians "Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." This leaves no room for sects of any persuasion. The corruption of Judaism came about because of the teachings and traditions acceptable to men. The sects of Christendom come from the same place. Jews had to leave that apostate system in order to obey the Christ....Christians are called out of "Babylon the great" for the same reason. (2 Cor 6:9-11)

1. Ok we get it......Good logic isn't exactly a JW strength, but it's ok to stop contradicting yourself.

I guess that depends on how you read scripture. The sects of Judaism were roundly condemned by Jesus. The sects in Christendom would likewise be condemned by him. Christians were to be "united in their beliefs"...not divided whilst claiming unity. (1 Cor 1:10)

2. The sects or groups themselves were not condemn. It was the behavior of certain individuals within the sects that Jesus condemned:

Mat 23:2 "The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don't follow their example. For they don't practice what they teach.
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If Christ thought the entire sect of the scribes and Pharisees were corrupt, Christ would have discouraged the people from obeying them. Yet he encouraged obedience to their commands with a disclaimer not to follow their examples of hypocrisy. You are suppose to be the only channel for God and you do not know this?

Or the guy was blown away by the power of using Jesus name in expelling demons. If he was drawn to Christianity, then he would have attached himself to the congregation because no one was permitted to teach their version of Jesus' teachings. All congregations came under the leadership and direction of a body of older men in Jerusalem. These in turn were guided by the apostles. There were no sects in Christianity originally, just as there were no sects in Judaism at first. Men broke away and formulated their own version of each. Why do we suppose that Christ rejected the Pharisees and Saducees and led people away from their errors...he is doing the same with the sham form of Christianity sown by men in the early centuries, C.E. The "weeds" of Jesus parable were not sown recently and they did what weeds do best...they all but choked out the wheat and took over the garden.

3. That's nice. But you didn't answer the question. Let's try it again: The individual or group in Mar 9 was not united with Jesus' group. According to your interpretation of unity and division, Jesus should have condemned him. So why didn't He?

Jesus began an exclusive sect if you want to press the point. His followers were required to cut ties with the apostate Jewish system. It required them to accept one set of beliefs...taught by Jesus and his apostles. No adoptions of pagan ideas was permitted in their worship...which was the undoing of Israel down through their history. Christendom has emulated them.

4. Jesus began an exclusive sect of what---- Christianity or Judaism? (I'd be careful how I answer this one)

Since there are only "wheat" and "weeds" at the end of the age, and there are only two roads, not several, it seems as if there is only two kinds of religion in the world when Jesus comes to judge us. True worship and false worship.

5. Not two kinds of religion, two kinds of people within the Christian religion. True and false worship are subjective concepts of human thinking. The only one who is qualified to undeniably distinguish between true and false worship is Christ--not earthly human beings in a finite organization. We do our best to interpret and apply the text with the limited knowledge and understanding (1 co 13:9) God has given each sect and or individual. Meanwhile, we must grow in love for all mankind, which is a lot harder to instill than some doctrinal position, until full understanding is revealed (1 Co 13:10) at the return of Christ.

According to Matthew's account the ones Jesus rejects as "workers of lawlessness" have no idea that they are unacceptable to the one they claim as their "Lord". (Matt 7:21-23)

6. Wait a sec. You claim the statement made by Christ in Mar 9:38-40 does not apply to Christians today because the guy was a Jew under the law of Moses, but a statement made to Jews under the same law of Moses in Mat 7:21-23 does apply to Christians today??? You guys are hilarious . This is what happens when you blindly follow an organization and don't think for yourselves. You start tripping over your own fallacious rhetoric.

The individual in Mark 9:38-40 was Jewish. Christianity had not yet formed.

7. The individuals Jesus spoke to in Mat 7:21-23 were also Jewish and Christianity had not yet formed. Applying your twisted logic of Mar 9:38-40, the sermon on the mount can not apply to Christians today either.

There are not many versions of the truth...there is just one. There can be many versions of untruth however. It is up to each of us to find the only gate leading to the cramped and narrow road to life.....there are not many who find it. (Matt 7:13, 14) The "many" are on the other road, blissfully unaware of where it is taking them.
When Jesus spoke those words, he was speaking about a Jewish man who was living under the then covenant of Moses. That man was not a christian because the christian church did not exist until after Jesus death. That man was a Jew under the covenant of Moses and was part of the one and only holy nation of God at that time.
And it obviously didn't matter to Christ what this man was.

So Jesus wasnt saying there would be others besides the christians who would also have Gods favor.

8. This "us" versus "them" attitude is precisely what Jesus taught against in Mar 9:38-40. May God one day give you the eyes to see and ears to hear.

When Jesus spoke those words, he was speaking about a Jewish man who was living under the then covenant of Moses. That man was not a christian because the christian church did not exist until after Jesus death. That man was a Jew under the covenant of Moses and was part of the one and only holy nation of God at that time. So Jesus wasnt saying there would be others besides the christians who would also have Gods favor.

Hi Pegg. It's been a while. I figured it was time to knock you guys off your high horse. It was getting a little too high. Still love you guys though . For a reply to your post see point 6 above.

 

[Pegg]

Adam means Human Being. Who do you think the Prophets are? Ghosts? No they are all Adam.

Oh i see.
So you dont believe the Genesis account is about a real man named Adam and his real son named Cain. ok, well there is no point discussing the bible if you dont believe it to be based on real history.

 

[Pegg]

If abstaining from blood was important to Jesus He would have said something about it. If it's not important to Him, I'm going to eat it. And you cannot say that He didn't celebrate birthdays, just as we cannot say that He did. Like the Bible says, if everything Jesus said and did were written down, the world couldn't hold all the books that would be written.

The son of God is born into the world, but the writers failed to provide a date of his birth. You dont feel a tad curious as to why?

The most important person in history has an unknown date of birth.... you are not the least bit curious as to why his followers did not record such a detail for such an important person???

 

[Awoon]

Oh i see.
So you dont believe the Genesis account is about a real man named Adam and his real son named Cain. ok, well there is no point discussing the bible if you dont believe it to be based on real history.

No I don't believe.

I believe in Rhett Butler from The Book Gone With The Wind. He was real history during the Civil War in America, No?

 

[Pegg]

Hi Pegg. It's been a while. I figured it was time to knock you guys off your high horse. It was getting a little too high. Still love you guys though . For a reply to your post see point 6 above.

So, when do you think the christian congregation was actually established? Was it before Christ died or after??

 

[james2ko]

So, when do you think the christian congregation was actually established? Was it before Christ died or after??

I'd like to hear what your buddy has to say about point 4 and 6 before I give you my answer.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The son of God is born into the world, but the writers failed to provide a date of his birth. You dont feel a tad curious as to why?

The most important person in history has an unknown date of birth.... you are not the least bit curious as to why his followers did not record such a detail for such an important person???

Not really, if God wanted us to know He would have told us. But, Jesus did receive presents when He was born, didn't He? His birthday was celebrated. God made sure people knew where He was so they could celebrate it.

You ever wonder why the Bible never says when judgment day is?

 

[JFish123]

I Love Jehovahs Witnesses but I found these memes funny:

 

[Pegg]

Not really, if God wanted us to know He would have told us.

exactly. If the date of christs birth was important, God would have told us.

And if he doesnt feel the date of his Sons birth on earth is important, then why should any of us feel our birth is any more important the the birth of Christ???

Lets get Gods view on the matter and make it our own view. Birth dates are not important to God nor should they be to us.

You ever wonder why the Bible never says when judgment day is?

We dont need to wonder. We know why.

 

[JFish123]

The son of God is born into the world, but the writers failed to provide a date of his birth. You dont feel a tad curious as to why?

The most important person in history has an unknown date of birth.... you are not the least bit curious as to why his followers did not record such a detail for such an important person???

Your answers on this wonderful DVD. I urge everyone to check it out

 

[JFish123]

exactly. If the date of christs birth was important, God would have told us.

And if he doesnt feel the date of his Sons birth on earth is important, then why should any of us feel our birth is any more important the the birth of Christ???

Lets get Gods view on the matter and make it our own view. Birth dates are not important to God nor should they be to us.



We dont need to wonder. We know why.

Like in my previous post, Job's family celebrated birthdays as well as Jews in the time of Christ celebrated when's boys came of age etc...

 

[Pegg]

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Your answers on this wonderful DVD. I urge everyone to check it out

I hate to say this, but when the 3 astrologers from the east visited Jesus, he was not a newborn baby..... he was an infant child.

Like in my previous post, Job's family celebrated birthdays as well as Jews in the time of Christ celebrated when's boys came of age etc...

The account in Job is wrongly interpreted to mean birthdays.... but in fact the hebrew word for 'birthday' is yohm hul·leʹdheth
But the account in Job does not use this expression. Its only says the sons would hold a banquet on his 'yohm' or 'day'
And why would only the 'sons' of Job hold a birthday banquet and not the daughers too, or not Job or Jobs wife?? The account is being misinterpreted by claiming that it is a reference to birthday celebrations.

 

[Pegg]

Like in my previous post, Job's family celebrated birthdays as well as Jews in the time of Christ celebrated when's boys came of age etc...

Perhaps you are refering to the Barmitzvah when the boy turned 13

That had nothing to do with being born. It is about accountability. Becoming an age where they are held accountable for their actions under Jewish law. It has nothing to do with the day you are born.

 

[JFish123]

I hate to say this, but when the 3 astrologers from the east visited Jesus, he was not a newborn baby..... he was an infant child.


The account in Job is wrongly interpreted to mean birthdays.... but in fact the hebrew word for 'birthday' is yohm hul·leʹdheth
But the account in Job does not use this expression. Its only says the sons would hold a banquet on his 'yohm' or 'day'
And why would only the 'sons' of Job hold a birthday banquet and not the daughers too, or not Job or Jobs wife?? The account is being misinterpreted by claiming that it is a reference to birthday celebrations.

Yes, I know they got to him when he was an infant. The DVD cover shows it for effect. The DVD explains that he was an infant and much more. In fact here's the doc in its entirety

And yes, "his day." What else would they celebrate every single year of their lives? The day they got more sheep lol. And it was a Patriarchal mindset. It really wasn't until Jesus when women had a more prominent role. So it should surprise no one they didn't mention the womens "day" if they even celebrated the womens day back then. Remember Ben in Jesus' day women were second class citizens.

 

[james2ko]

I hate to say this, but when the 3 astrologers from the east visited Jesus, he was not a newborn baby..... he was an infant child.

I hate to say this but you are once again adding words to the scriptures. Where is it specifically stated is was "three"? The WT doesn't count

 

[Pegg]

I hate to say this but you are once again adding words to the scriptures. Where is it specifically stated is was "three"? The WT doesn't count

i dont know how many astrologers there were tbh, im just repeating popular opinion.

 

[Pegg]

And yes, "his day." What else would they celebrate every single year of their lives? [/quote]

you dont have family get-to-gethers?

Each brother was hosting a family meal on his own set day. The account doesnt call it a 'birthday'

 

[djhwoodwerks]

We dont need to wonder. We know why.

LOL, then why the GB keep trying to figure it out? And keep failing at it!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

exactly. If the date of christs birth was important, God would have told us.

And if he doesnt feel the date of his Sons birth on earth is important, then why should any of us feel our birth is any more important the the birth of Christ???

Lets get Gods view on the matter and make it our own view. Birth dates are not important to God nor should they be to us.



We dont need to wonder. We know why.

Birthdays aren't important to God? Then why are we not to celebrate them? If He never said ANYTHING about them, He must not care about them, huh! It's just the GB "OPINION" on the matter. Just like it's their opinion when they say that God and Jesus trust and are happy with the "slave".