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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

Kolibri

Kolibri

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Wharton said:
What cracks me up is that an Orthodox Jewish rabbi will accept a blood transfusion and I think he would know what the Law implies regarding blood. Where the JW's are coming from, got me. But they allow blood fractions?? So somehow, they think that the life force can be extracted from blood and not transfused.
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The dietary restrictions given to Noah was pretty clear as regards to blood, but the question arises as to when the blood is broken down enough to no longer be considered blood anymore. Reasonably the 4 major components would still be blood. But what about anything smaller? If you remove the water, is the water still 'blood'? Some fractions found in blood naturally pass thru the placenta between mother and child, are these "blood". There is no hard fast rules as to where the dividing line is between blood and not-blood, so anything smaller than the 4 major component is left to the individual conscience.

Blood symbolizes life according to the Bible. We don't identify it as life itself but as a symbol of it. If it was life itself, transfusing blood should give life to something already dead and it does not.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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Wharton said:
Nope. Tell me how you can beget something of an inferior nature/substance?
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the title 'god' denotes power. Even among humans not all children grow up to be as powerful (let's say muscular) as their parents. God has a spirit body. Jesus has a spirit body. They have the same nature but are not equal in might.
 
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Awoon

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djhwoodwerks said:
He is also a "JUST" God. How could a loving and merciful God instruct His prophets of old to kill whole cities, men, women and "CHILDREN"?
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Are you 100% sure the "JUST" God did? The Prophets of old spoke for/about God the same way you accuse JW Prophets/GB doing today. I think you follow them both.
 
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Wharton

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Kolibri said:
The dietary restrictions given to Noah was pretty clear as regards to blood, but the question arises as to when the blood is broken down enough to no longer be considered blood anymore. Reasonably the 4 major components would still be blood. But what about anything smaller? If you remove the water, is the water still 'blood'? Some fractions found in blood naturally pass thru the placenta between mother and child, are these "blood". There is no hard fast rules as to where the dividing line is between blood and not-blood, so anything smaller than the 4 major component is left to the individual conscience.

Blood symbolizes life according to the Bible. We don't identify it as life itself but as a symbol of it. If it was life itself, transfusing blood should give life to something already dead and it does not.
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Nice tap dance. If it's derived from blood, it's a blood product. If it's derived from milk (butter, cheese, non-fat milk, sour cream, etc) it's a milk product. Only JW's can take a product and make it a non-product.
 
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JFish123

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Pegg said:
Tell me how you can beget yourself?
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First, the words "only begotten" do not mean that Christ was created (as the heretic Arius taught). Rather they mean that He was "unique," "specially blessed," or "favored." Theologian John F. Walvoord in his classic book "Jesus Christ our Lord" rightly points out:
"The thought is clearly that Christ is the begotten of God in the sense that no other is."
Scholar Benjamin Warfield likewise comments: "the adjective 'only begotten' conveys the idea, not of derivation and subordination, but of uniqueness and consubstantiality: Jesus is all that God is, and He alone is this."
 
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Awoon

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JFish123 said:
First, the words "only begotten" do not mean that Christ was created (as the heretic Arius taught). Rather they mean that He was "unique," "specially blessed," or "favored." Theologian John F. Walvoord in his classic book "Jesus Christ our Lord" rightly points out:
"The thought is clearly that Christ is the begotten of God in the sense that no other is."
Scholar Benjamin Warfield likewise comments: "the adjective 'only begotten' conveys the idea, not of derivation and subordination, but of uniqueness and consubstantiality: Jesus is all that God is, and He alone is this."
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Why do people eliminate themselves from being God? Guilt, Shame, Pride, Religious Training? The "God" Jesus said if YOU Believe YOU will do what HE did. Now Why Don't YOU?
 
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Wharton

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Kolibri said:
the title 'god' denotes power. Even among humans not all children grow up to be as powerful (let's say muscular) as their parents. God has a spirit body. Jesus has a spirit body. They have the same nature but are not equal in might.
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God denotes 'highest degree possible' of nature or substance. Power is just one attribute of God.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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Wharton said:
Nice tap dance. If it's derived from blood, it's a blood product. If it's derived from milk (butter, cheese, non-fat milk, sour cream, etc) it's a milk product. Only JW's can take a product and make it a non-product.
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"Not that we are masters over your faith, but we are fellow workers for your joy, for it is by your faith that you are standing."
- 2 Corinthians 1:24

If you dehydrate the milk is the water still a milk product?

I won't tell you it is or it isn't.

"But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. For each one will carry his own load. (or, "load of responsibility.")"
- Galatians 6:5
 
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JFish123

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Awoon said:
Why do people eliminate themselves from being God? Guilt, Shame, Pride, Religious Training? The "God" Jesus said if YOU Believe YOU will do what HE did. Now Why Don't YOU?
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Because we are not God. We sin. Only God is Holy and Righteous and Good.
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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Wharton said:
God denotes 'highest degree possible' of nature or substance. Power is just one attribute of God.
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Check out, please Genesis 31:29.

"It is in my power ('el) to do harm to you, but the God of your father spoke to me last night, saying, 'Be careful about what you say to Jacob, either good or bad.'"

The very term for "God" in Hebrew ('El) probably has the root meaning of "mighty" or "powerful."

That is why idols are called false gods. They have no power.

Our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever he pleases.
Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of human hands.
A mouth they have, but they cannot speak;
Eyes, but they cannot see;
Ears they have, but they cannot hear;
A nose, but they cannot smell;
Hands they have, but they cannot feel;
Feet, but they cannot walk;
They make no sound with their throat.
- Psalm 115:3-7

That is why human judges are rightly referred to as gods. They DO have some power over others. (Psalm 82)

Perhaps by hiding God's personal name, the idea has arisen that 'God' is more than a title.
 
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Kolibri

Kolibri

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Awoon said:
Dumbest reason to let your family members die. No blood transfusion.
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Who is the source of life? Are there examples of people having their lives restored in the Bible?

"Then Jesus said to his disciples: 'If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life (or "soul.") will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.'" - Matthew 16:24-27

Besides most deaths do not result from blood cell loss but volume loss. There are many viable alternatives to blood transfusions that are very applicable even in emergency care.
 
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JFish123

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Kolibri said:
Who is the source of life? Are there examples of people having their lives restored in the Bible?

"Then Jesus said to his disciples: 'If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life (or "soul.") will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.'" - Matthew 16:24-27

Besides most deaths do not result from blood cell loss but volume loss. There are many viable alternatives to blood transfusions that are very applicable even in emergency care.
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The point is Jehovahs Witnesses believe blood transfusions are bad because the bible says so when it does NOT say so in the slightest. God was talking to Noah about animal blood to not eat, not humans. And a blood transfusion isn't eating blood either so the Watchtower is so Absolutely wrong in scripture and science. This is such a clear example of why the Watchtower can't be trusted with interpreting the bible.
 
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