Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[e.r.m.]

it is Jehovah who requires this....the WT, as a christian organisation, rightly apply Gods word and teach all of us his requirements.

1 cor 5:11-13 quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral, greedy, idolator...remove the wicked man from among yourself"

All i can say is i'm happy knowing there is at least one organisation on earth who abide by Gods word and uphold his requirements.

If a sister sleeps with her boyfriend, but they confess, break up, and show all the signs of Godly sorrow and repentance 2 Corinthians 7, will they be disfellowshiped? I believe 1 cor 5:11-13 refers to the unrepentant. I also believe that refers to removing the wicked man from the church assembly, not from your biological family.

 

[savagewind]

No one is ever banned from the Kingdom Hall except if someone comes to be disruptive. A disfellowshipped person is always welcome, but nobody will greet him or her.

 

[e.r.m.]

No one is ever banned from the Kingdom Hall except if someone comes to be disruptive. A disfellowshipped person is always welcome, but nobody will greet him or her.

Ok then, will the repentant brother and sister in the example above be disfellowshipped?

 

[JFish123]

No one is ever banned from the Kingdom Hall except if someone comes to be disruptive. A disfellowshipped person is always welcome, but nobody will greet him or her.

That's sad no one will greet them if that's true. Would Jesus refuse to greet someone?

 

[Shak34]

Ok then, will the repentant brother and sister in the example above be disfellowshipped?

Most likely yes, but really it depends on if the judicial committee feels that he or she is repentant. Then if disfellowshipped he or she would have at least a year, if lucky many months and if unlucky years, to prove they are repentant enough to be reinstated.

 

[e.r.m.]

Most likely yes, but really it depends on if the judicial committee feel that you are repentant. Then if disfellowshipped he or she would have at least a year to prove they are repentant enough to be reinstated.

Judicial committee? A year to prove? That's adding to scriptures.

 

[Shak34]

Judicial committee? A year to prove? That's adding to scriptures.

Sometimes it can take less than a year.

 

[Pegg]

If a sister sleeps with her boyfriend, but they confess, break up, and show all the signs of Godly sorrow and repentance 2 Corinthians 7, will they be disfellowshiped?

No she wont. The elders will do everything they can to help her stay in the congregation.

I believe 1 cor 5:11-13 refers to the unrepentant. I also believe that refers to removing the wicked man from the church assembly, not from your biological family.

what if your adult child is the unrepentant person?
Now your loyalties will be tested and the depth of your relationship with jehovah and obedience to his laws will show themselves.

 

[Pegg]

Most likely yes, but really it depends on if the judicial committee feels that he or she is repentant. Then if disfellowshipped he or she would have at least a year, if lucky many months and if unlucky years, to prove they are repentant enough to be reinstated.

ive seen ones reinstated within 6 months

 

[Shak34]

ive seen ones reinstated within 6 months

If you read my comment I did say many months. I have seen them reinstated in that amount of time, but it usually was a year, rarely longer. The longest I saw was two years.

 

[Pegg]

If you read my comment I did say many months. I have seen them reinstated in that amount of time, but it usually was a year, rarely longer.

I guess it depends on the individual and on what sort of changes they need to make to come back. And im speaking from experience on this topic as one who was disfellowshipped... i was reinstated in only a few months.

 

[Shak34]

I guess it depends on the individual and on what sort of changes they need to make to come back. And im speaking from experience on this topic as one who was disfellowshipped... i was reinstated in only a few months.

It took my mother two years to be reinstated, so I am in a way also speaking from experience.

 

[Pegg]

It took my mother two years to be reinstated, so I am in a way also speaking from experience.

This is another thing i love about this organisation.... it treats us as individuals because it is God who is dealing with us. He knows us individually and gives us whatever time we need to get back to where we need to be.

 

[JayJayDee]

Sorry, that's cold.

Then God is cold too. I am simply reflecting the same attitude of a God who does not wink at wilful practicers of what he condemns. When he says "don't do that" and someone does without a shred of remorse, God does not forgive.
Only when genuine repentance is demonstrated will forgiveness take place. Did you not know this?

If one's adult child is molesting kids, is a professional con-man, or has joined a terrorist organization, that's extreme. That's not most people. If your child decides to pursue a gay lifestyle or using drugs, would you disown him?

I could never disown my own child. What I said was I could not support their lifestyle. That means I could not approve or enable it and stand before my God with a clean conscience. I would certainly do all in my power to talk to them reasonably about it first. I would never hate them, but could rightly hate what they do.

If they were determined to adopt a lifestyle or practices that God condemns then I would leave them to the consequences of their own choices. If God could not condone their choice, why would I? As a parent, I have choices too.

This is what the father in Jesus' parable of the prodigal son did. He did not quibble about the son's decision but gave him what he asked for and let him go. No attempt was made to dissuade him and no contact was made all the time he was living in debauchery and squandering his inheritance. What was it that turned the son around and sent him home? The cold hard reality of what his choice meant for him, made him "come to his senses". Only when he reached rock bottom did he humble himself and return home expecting nothing from his father except to be treated as one of his hired workers. Then and only then, did the father welcome him home.

As disciples of Jesus, we are to set boundaries of course, but we don't turn our backs on them. Where do you get that from?!

I did not say I would turn my back on any of my children. I said I would not support a lifestyle choice that offended me or my God. Setting reasonable boundaries is what God expects us to do. But any child who respects the beliefs of their parents will not insist on insulting them by rubbing their noses in something that is abhorrent to them. They surely would leave and live the life they have chosen away from their sight, because that would be the least they could do.

Show me anywhere in scripture where God accepted any worshipper of his who was unrepentantly practicing something they knew was wrong? No repentance means no forgiveness. Sins only get "blotted out" when we leave off doing them.

 

[Pegg]

Sorry, that's cold. If one's adult child is molesting kids, is a professional con-man, or has joined a terrorist organization, that's extreme. That's not most people. If your child decides to pursue a gay lifestyle or using drugs, would you disown him? As disciples of Jesus, we are to set boundaries of course, but we don't turn our backs on them. Where do you get that from?!

Ask yourself this... when Adam and Eve sinned, where did God put them?

 

[JFish123]

No she wont. The elders will do everything they can to help her stay in the congregation.


what if your adult child is the unrepentant person?
Now your loyalties will be tested and the depth of your relationship with jehovah and obedience to his laws will show themselves.

Pegg, you don't stop talking to your children or family even if they become atheists. You can disagree with there decisions but there still family. You don't throw them out like trash.

 

[psychoslice]

Pegg, you don't stop talking to your children or family even if they become atheists. You can disagree with there decisions but there still family. You don't throw them out like trash.

Good advise, which these people just can't see, their so arrogant that their blinded by it, thinking their so special, when all along their nothing more than evil, growing from their own lies.

 

[Pegg]

Pegg, you don't stop talking to your children or family even if they become atheists. You can disagree with there decisions but there still family. You don't throw them out like trash.

Of course... and the WT is of the same opinion... so whats your issue?

 

[e.r.m.]

Ask yourself this... when Adam and Eve sinned, where did God put them?

Out of the garden, not out of communication.

 

[savagewind]

That's sad no one will greet them if that's true. Would Jesus refuse to greet someone?

4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
-1 Timothy 6:3-6.

Knowing and understanding are different. JWs know an awful lot they but understand little imo.
Their very stand is a stand of controversy with many words. Does the Bible ever say that we are to know and understand the very nature of God? The Bible seems to me to offer both views. Since it does then what is the PROBLEM? Also about the controversy of hell versus no hell. Isn't it a good thing that some people fear the after-life and so be good?