CLEAR SAID : "
REGARDING OFFERING FAKE SCRIPTURES FOR JOHN 1:18
1) One Fake version (among multiple fakes) of John 1:18 offered to readers was : “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” (Dogknox20, post 1563)
Dogknox20 claimed : John 1:18 is an interpratation of EXPERTS is scripture...
I did not say the fake text was created by ignorant people or non-experts at fake text.
I think your admission that the creators of this text are trying to offer their
interpretative doctrinal commentary of what the text means to them inside their own theology is what they are doing
instead of translating the text.
Obviously, it is not an accurate or authentic translation of any known source text of John 1:18.
I simply pointed out that the text you offered readers was fake and that no source material exists for the text as you offered it.
Whether an expert or an idiot created the fake, it remains fake and not authentic scripture.
2) Dogknox repeated the stock statement : "I don't write the scriptures; I post them!
Dogknox20, I did not claim that YOU wrote the fake text that you are pretending to be actual and authentic scripture.
However, in this case you are not posting "scripture", but you are posting a commentary that is
posing as though it was scripture.
I simply revealed the fact that the text you offered as "scripture" was fake.
There is no New Testament source text that can be correctly translated according to your fake "scripture".
Dogknox20 or other Readers : Do you want me to provide you with all known greek source variants of John 1:18 and we can discuss what the original text actually says?
3) Dogknox20 said : Clear John 1:18 tells you Jesus is God.. You don't like it, so for you it instantly becomes a fake verse?!
I did not say I liked or disliked fake text or that I liked or disliked the doctrine itself.
I simply think it is dishonest to offer fake text to readers as though it is authentic since some of the readers may not be familiar enough with the text to know it is a fake and inaccurate text you're offer ing them.
It is a fake because it is not an authentic or correct translation of any known New Testament source text.
My point Dogklnox20, is that IF you are going to offer fake text, you should TELL readers you are offering fake text so that they realize they are not actually reading scripture when they read your quote posing as scripture.
4) THE CHALLENGE FOR ANY READER ON THE FORUM (OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD)
FIND AN AUTHENTIC NEW TESTAMENT GREEK SOURCE TEXT OF JOHN 1:18 THAT CAN BE ACCURATELY TRANSLATED INTO THE FAKE TEXT OFFERED READERS BY DOGKNOX20
READERS : IF ANYONE ON THE FORUM CAN FIND ANY NEW TESTAMENT GREEK SOURCE TEXT THAT CAN BE ACCURATELY TRANSLATED INTO THE FAKE VERSION OFFERED BY DOGKNOX20, TELL US.
ANYONE?
The main Greek source text of John 1:18 that uses the word "God" for Jesus is :
θεοσ οθδεισ εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενεσ θεοσ ο ων εισ τον κολπον του πατροσ εκεινοσ εξεγησατο." (while there are variants [only begotten God,..son, etc] , NONE of the variants correlate to the fake text)
Does ANY greek reader on the forum wish to claim this source text can be accurately translated into the Fake version offered by Dogknox20?
ANYONE?
Clear
DOGKNOX20 REPLIED : "John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. "
CLEAR REPLIED : Dogknox20, How is this relevant to justify you offering untruth in the form of fake scriptures to readers?
Are you saying that you don't have the spirit to be with you and this justifies your offering readers false text as scripture?
IF this is what you are admitting to, I do not think it justifies offering false text to readers.
IGNORANCE DOES NOT JUSTIFY OFFERING FAKE TEXT AS THOUGH IT WERE BIBLICAL TEXT, BUT INSTEAD COMPOUNDS THE PROBLEM OF CREDIBILITY
Dogknox20 replied : “Scriptures are God' words.. ALL of them including John 1:18”
YES! I agree that scriptures represent the Word of God.
I agree that
the authentic John 1:18 IS scripture.
Your text is NOT authentic, biblical, John 1:18 and it is becoming more obvious your attempt to try to continue to offer a fake version of John 1:18 to try to support your doctrine indicates you do not have the type of respect for sacred text that you would like readers to believe you have.
IF you actually believe that the authentic biblical text are God’s words, then you should NOT change or modify the text with false narratives.
If you honestly are Christian, then Honor God.
If you honestly are Christian, then Keep God’s word clean and pure.
If you honestly are Christian, Do not offer fake versions of his words and try to pass them off as authentic or accurate.
If you honestly have the respect for God’s word that you want readers to believe you have, then it is WRONG to offer them false and fake text in the hope that they will not notice the text is altered.
IF you do not have respect for the actual and authentic biblical text, then how can readers trust your religious claims?
Dogknox20 replied : “Clear you have been lied to by your teachers...
Um, no. I read Greek. YOU do not.
I have access to critical biblical texts. YOU do not seem to even understand what a critical greek bible IS.
I have provided greek John 1:18 to you from GN4. It is the most common standard Greek Text for translators worldwide.
The NA-28 Greek text provides ALL important variants known to scholars of greek New Testament texts.
Your fake John 1:18 is not even close to ANY known variant.
Neither you, nor any other reader in the world can provide a source greek codex or papyri that has the version of John 1:18 your offered readers.
If someone is lying, I think readers are smart enough to see that your fake John 1:18 is a lie and it has no authentic greek source.
These specific comments are not meant to reflect positively or negatively on the doctrine, but I am speaking of the fake text and how I do not think one can justify offering readers fake biblical text when trying to support ANY doctrine, whether true OR false.
Dogknox20 replied : “Below is the correct translation of the Greek”
Dogknox20, Why would you even think readers are stupid enough to believe the commentary that follows this claim is a "translation" of John 1:18?
I simply don't understand why you would waste your credibility with such obviously irrational claims.
What you are claiming as a "translation" of greek John 1:18 has
eleven sentences and approximately
266 words in it.
Greek John 1:18 has
two sentences and only
16 words in it.
How can you be so ignorant of the difference between a "translation" and a "commentary" that you try to pass off a commentary on John 1:18 as a "translation" of John 1:18?
Do you realize what such silly claims do to your credibility?
Look up the difference between a translation and a commentary and perhaps you may understand.
However, IF you do not really know the difference between the actual text of John 1:18 and an extensive commentary on John 1:18, this ignorance means you should not try to tell others what a “translation” entails.
So, willingness to misrepresenting scripture by offering fake text and ignorance of the concept and application of authentic scripture are problems for you.
The problem with BOTH the willingness to misrepresent and offer fake scripture and the ignorance of what scripture entails is going to cause a credibility gap for you and readers.
If one is willing to lie or misrepresent, and one is ignorant of even the basic concept of scripture, then how are readers going to be able to trust the claims of someone who is dishonest and ignorant?
So, while you and I agree on some of the doctrines, I hesitate to have you on my doctrinal team.
Clear
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