We Are All Born Muslim

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you telling us that archaea are muslim?

Ciao

- viole

Wouldn't surprise me. Evangelical Christians often think of the rest of the living world as "Christian by default."

 

[ChristineM]

I disagree with sectarianism. And todays Islam is 99% full with sectarianism and false doctrines.

But the word Islaam means peace in Arabic. So in other words, is everyone born as a peaceful being? Yes.

Just wanted to say that. I do not follow a denomination btw. I read both Quran, Gospel, Tora, Psalms etc.

The op stated "In Islam everyone is born a Muslim"

Seems to me that everyone is born as a blank slate to be moulded by their environment.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm sure everyone will all agree that we are all born Muslim..
lol jk

In Islam everyone is born a Muslim and it is his/hers parents (along with social circles) that bring the child away from Islam.

The Prophet (saws) said that every child is born in Fitrah. In Islam this means a state of purity and connection to God.

When I say God I mean the ultimate force that gives us life not a bearded guy in the clouds.

In Islam it is not looked at as a religion but just the natural way of life. We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up.

Agree.

 

[DustyFeet]

clean feet? check now will u enlighten me?

 

[Fool]

Yes, God is unconditional. Good point.

37. His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"

Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample them, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."




For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. = know thyself as ahmi yat ahmi

 

[AdamRaja]

Right. The true god. The one that perfectly explains why the most fundamental things of nature are strings/nudel.
We are all born Pastafarians, obviously. Most of us just lose it and go back to lower beliefs because of the made up religions of their parents.

Ciao

- viole

For sure.

 

[AdamRaja]

Akhi, have you read the Gospel, Psalms and the Tora?

I want to encourage you to read the Quran in 2:4, 2:41, 2:285, 3:3, 4:136, 5:43, 5:47, 5:66, 5:68, 29:46 etc. if you feel that you shouldn't read the Previous Scriptures. These Quranic verses actually confirm the Previous Scriptures, in 5:47 of the Quran it even tells us that we people of the Gospel should judge with the Gospel, and in 5:68 it tells us people of the Book to uphold the Tora and the Gospel.

The Tora and the Gospel are a Light and Guidance from God as well. It's worth it to learn Greek and Hebrew to read the originals.

May the peace, love and light of God be with you.

You seem kind. Thanks for the response.

 

[icehorse]

Read Books and read them with your own eyes and brains. Don't let someone else tell you what you should read.

Do you know Arabic? Else you are reading just what someone thinks the Text says. And such a thing can be very hard to grasp through, especially in these days.

Just do not worry. The Tora, the Psalms, the Gospel, the Quran. Their Message is simple, Love God and Love your neighbor.

Seems like you're being a bit inconsistent here

Just to clarify my perspective, I'm not searching for a religion. I'm curious about what people believe and how what they believe relates to their scripture.

As for the Arabic argument - heard it before, not buying it. It seems to me that what's really important in the world is how the faithful take behavioral cues from their scripture. It matters if hundreds of millions of Christians think they should have lots of babies because the bible tells them to. It matters to me if hundreds of millions of Muslims won't be happy until the Caliphate returns. So, since I don't think ANY scripture is supernatural, I don't care much (a little, but not much), how the ancient Arabic reads. What's important is how the faithful interpret scripture in the world today. If hundreds of millions of the faithful takeaway bad ideas, then I'll conclude the scripture IS a problem.

 

[AdamRaja]

This is a sincere request: Will you point me to the documents that define the true Islam?

If you point me to the Quran, that might be okay, but then you have to tell me the true context from which I should read the book. Some Muslims have told me that the Quran should be considered perfect and timeless, and the Quran declares itself to be easy to understand. Is that the perspective I should use when I read the book? Because when I read the book from that perspective, it's incoherent, and it's also very inconsistent with how Muslims explain Islam.

Oh. Idk.

 

[AdamRaja]

Funny, ive met many christians who think they are arbiter of who is and who is not christian too.

Ok.

 

[sealchan]

I'm sure everyone will all agree that we are all born Muslim..
lol jk

In Islam everyone is born a Muslim and it is his/hers parents (along with social circles) that bring the child away from Islam.

The Prophet (saws) said that every child is born in Fitrah. In Islam this means a state of purity and connection to God.

When I say God I mean the ultimate force that gives us life not a bearded guy in the clouds.

In Islam it is not looked at as a religion but just the natural way of life. We are the worlds most looked down upon and knowing that raises me up.

If natural, why do we need scriptures?

 

[AdamRaja]

How could I have been something I had no knowledge of? I didn't know anything about it and had even barely even heard of Islam until I took a world history class in high school. So the absolute earliest I could have been Muslim was about 15 years old when I first had any awareness of it.

 

[AdamRaja]

If natural, why do we need scriptures?

For the ones who went away.. to bring them back.

 

[AdamRaja]

Read Books and read them with your own eyes and brains. Don't let someone else tell you what you should read.

Do you know Arabic? Else you are reading just what someone thinks the Text says. And such a thing can be very hard to grasp through, especially in these days.

Just do not worry. The Tora, the Psalms, the Gospel, the Quran. Their Message is simple, Love God and Love your neighbor.
But people make it hard for themselves, and the governments who invented their monarchism and false doctrines in name of God which they want people to uphold besides the Scriptures doesn't make it easier.

If you think the Quran is not for you. Then just accept that you were not reading the Quran and do not know what the original Quran actually said. Or do you know Arabic?
You don't care. So why are you asking and wasting your time on such a forum anyways? Or do you have some doubts?
Well, learn to stop judging a Book by its cover.

There are multiple Holy Scriptures from different nations with us today. If i judge the Holy Scriptures based on how the people claim to follow them, then i would be a disbeliever. Judging a Book by its cover isn't intellectual. If you hate something, then just ignore it.

Lol. Yes I know Arabic. I appreciate your concern.

 

[AdamRaja]

Well, at least it's more positive than Christianity's disgusting original sin concept.

Hey that's the first positive response yet. I'll take it lol.

 

[AdamRaja]

Agree.

Wonderful

 

[ChristineM]

Ok.

So tell me, why do you believe you are arbiter of who is and who isn't muslim?

 

[AdamRaja]

The op stated "In Islam everyone is born a Muslim"

Seems to me that everyone is born as a blank slate to be moulded by their environment.

That's awesome it seems that way to you.

 

[AdamRaja]

So tell me, why do you believe you are arbiter of who is and who isn't muslim?

I don't you just said I was. Any Muslim who follows Quran. whether they see like I do or not is just as much Muslim as me.

 

[ChristineM]

That's awesome it seems that way to you.

Yes, strange concept isnt it? its called being truthful and not making blanket statements of bs as though they were fact

It also seems that way to others look up the 'Tabula Rasa'