We didn’t want him to be Christlike

[Vouthon]

"It’s about his calling for his position. We didn’t want him to be Christlike; he’s human like you and me. He’s made morally and ethically wrong decisions in the past and so have I. God uses flawed people to get the job done.”

- Jasper Preston, 30, Trump supporter from Atlanta (June 2018)

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Apparently a lot of GOP Christians find Christlike people to be such a "turn-off". Who knew?

After all, who cares "what Jesus would do", eh?

So here's the question: why don't Evangelical Christians want "Christlike" people in positions of power, as evidenced by their widespread and enthusiastic support for that paragon of saintly humility and godly purity Donald. J. Trump?

And if they don't want Christlike people in office, then why are they still so intent to shove their version of Christianity down people's throats by means of legislation?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Because their hypocrites. Thats all it is. ****in hypocrites.

 

[JoshuaTree]

People don't want christ like people in office any more than they want christ like people in church. That hasn't really changed much in at least 2000 years.

 

[columbus]

So here's the question: why don't Evangelical Christians want "Christlike" people in positions of power, as evidenced by their widespread and enthusiastic support for that paragon of saintly humility and godly purity Donald. J. Trump?

It isn't just his lifetime of Mammon worship.
It's also, more importantly, that most of his policies and governing style are the continuation of that totally unChristian morality.

That's the real hypocrisy. Christians as a group, seem unable to grasp the abyss between what Trump promised them and Christian morality.
Tom

 

[Brickjectivity]

The US Democrats really ought to take advantage of Bible quotes. I can't think of any lower hanging fruit. -- not that I am registered with any party. I am not.

Isaiah 3:4 “I will make mere youths their officials; children will rule over them.”

Proverbs 17:26 If imposing a fine on the innocent is not good, surely to flog honest officials is not right.

Proverbs 25:4-5 Remove the dross from the silver, and a silversmith can produce a vessel; remove wicked officials from the king’s presence, and his throne will be established through righteousness.

Proverbs 17:11 Evildoers foster rebellion against God; the messenger of death will be sent against them.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Why are they quoting this maggot?

 

[columbus]

Why are they quoting this maggot?

Because he expresses a very common opinion of Christians in the USA.
Tom

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Because he expresses a very common opinion of Christians in the USA.
Tom

Does he? Who was it that said "there is no such thing as a common opinion - only a published opinion."?

 

[Mister Emu]

Apparently a lot of GOP Christians find Christlike people to be such a "turn-off". Who knew?

Apparently you took a quote from one person and applied it to a large group. Do you have any sort of poll to back this, what I believe is hogwash, up?

So here's the question: why don't Evangelical Christians want "Christlike" people in positions of power, as evidenced by their widespread and enthusiastic support for that paragon of saintly humility and godly purity Donald. J. Trump?

There is an argument that Christians shouldn't vote at all, but I don't make it. Many Christians enthusiastically supported Hilary Clinton, Jill Stein, Johnson and many more in the primaries of American politics. Do you bemoan their support?

If you vote for a politician, you are not voting for a Christlike person. Either don't vote or vote based on policy.

 

[Kenny]

And yet, by the vitriol expressed on this thread, is there any Christlikeness here?

 

[columbus]

Does he? Who was it that said "there is no such thing as a common opinion - only a published opinion."?

Yes, he does.

You don't even have to live in a place where both Trump and Christianity are extremely popular, like I do. RF is full of such opinions.
Tom

 

[Vouthon]

Apparently you took a quote from one person and applied it to a large group. Do you have any sort of poll to back this, what I believe is hogwash, up?

I do:

POLL: White Evangelicals Have Warmed To Politicians Who Commit 'Immoral' Acts

72 percent say so — a far bigger swing than other religious groups the poll studied.

It's just one poll, but it does suggest a sizable shift in how Americans of several religious stripes think about the connection between morality and politics. White evangelicals also are less likely than they used to be to say that "strong religious beliefs" are "very important" in a presidential candidate. That share fell from 64 percent in 2011 to 49 percent this year.
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Researchers Discover Common Thread Between Evangelicals Who Voted For Trump

In a recently published study, a team of sociologists claims there’s another common thread that could explain why some evangelicals are willing to overlook behavior they would typically condemn as immoral, including multiple allegations of sexual impropriety.

Andrew Whitehead, a sociologist at Clemson University, told HuffPost the key is Christian nationalism.

This ideology has emerged at various times in U.S. history, but a distinct, aggressive iteration seems to have materialized in the Trump era, according to a Think Progress report. This most recent version rejects secular society and seeks to restore America’s identity as a “Christian nation” by leveraging Christians’ influence in the public sphere. Some of Trump’s strongest evangelical supporters believe the president was divinely chosen by God to help them achieve the goal of a Christian nation.​

There is a lot of evidence, both polling and anecdotal, to back this up.

I wish it were otherwise, honestly.

 

[columbus]

Apparently you took a quote from one person and applied it to a large group.

RF has a rule against "calling out", or I could quote a bunch of members.
Tom

 

[Vouthon]

And yet, by the vitriol expressed on this thread, is there any Christlikeness here?

Humour and dismay at the perception of flagrant hypocrisy, speaking as a Christian myself, is not vitriol IMHO.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"It’s about his calling for his position. We didn’t want him to be Christlike; he’s human like you and me. He’s made morally and ethically wrong decisions in the past and so have I. God uses flawed people to get the job done.”

- Jasper Preston, 30, Trump supporter from Atlanta (June 2018)

​

Apparently a lot of GOP Christians find Christlike people to be such a "turn-off". Who knew?

After all, who cares "what Jesus would do", eh?

So here's the question: why don't Evangelical Christians want "Christlike" people in positions of power, as evidenced by their widespread and enthusiastic support for that paragon of saintly humility and godly purity Donald. J. Trump?

And if they don't want Christlike people in office, then why are they still so intent to shove their version of Christianity down people's throats by means of legislation?

You got me curious as to what's being legislated right now.

Anyways I'm trying to envision Trump with a harp, hymn book, and Halo.

Might be able to do for Trump what was done for Gaben of Steam.

 

[Vouthon]

You got me curious as to what's being legislated right now.

So-called "In God We Trust Bills":

Project Blitz: the legislative assault by Christian nationalists to reshape America

The emboldened religious right has unleashed a wave of legislation across the United States since Donald Trump became president, as part of an organised bid to impose hardline Christian values across American society.

At least 75 bills have been brought forward in more than 20 states during 2017 and 2018 which appear to be modelled on or have similar objectives to the playbook, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a campaign group which tracks legislation that undermines the principle of separation of church and state.

Opponents warn that the CPCF (which claims more than 600 politicians as members across state legislatures ) is using the banner of “religious freedom” to impose Christianity on American public, political and cultural life.

In Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Tennessee, so-called “In God We Trust” bills have become law since 2017, which will see the phrase emblazoned on public buildings, hung in schools and displayed on the side of public vehicles including police cars.

But the Project Blitz playbook sees those largely symbolic bills as just the first stage on the way to more hardline laws. They are presented as measures to preserve religious liberty, but are intended to give businesses, pastors and childcare providers the right to discriminate against LGBT people in line with their “sincerely held religious beliefs”.​

 

[Mister Emu]

POLL: White Evangelicals Have Warmed To Politicians Who Commit 'Immoral' Acts

72 percent say so — a far bigger swing than other religious groups the poll studied.

It's just one poll, but it does suggest a sizable shift in how Americans of several religious stripes think about the connection between morality and politics. White evangelicals also are less likely than they used to be to say that "strong religious beliefs" are "very important" in a presidential candidate. That share fell from 64 percent in 2011 to 49 percent this year.

Where in there does it say, or even suggest, that Evangelicals don't want a Christlike candidate?

There is a lot of evidence, both polling and anecdotal, to back this up.

Then perhaps you could show the polling that backs it up. You made a very specific claim well beyond Evangelicals accepting immoral persons to do public work. You need specific evidence for that claim, or you could retract your calumny against our Christian brothers and sisters.

 

[Father Heathen]

Apparently they only expect those that they don't like to be "christ-like". Odd, huh?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Yes, he does.

You don't even have to live in a place where both Trump and Christianity are extremely popular, like I do. RF is full of such opinions.
Tom

Like a whole different world for sure. I don't believe there is a place where Trump is popular. It's all just frosting on a turd.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why are they quoting this maggot?

Because that maggot's sentiments are shared by a huge portion of religious voters, apparently.