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"We don't know" - why can't religions except that?

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
I think there are unanswered questions no mater WHAT you believe.

If you are an atheist, you have to wonder how-on-earth the extraordinary complexity & diversity of life arose simply "chance".

If you are a believer in God, you have to wrestle with the question of how can evil exist if an all-loving creator made us.

That's just off-the-top-of-my-head ...

All the best!

That is a really bad thing to put forth as an example for atheist as most atheist agree with science and say that it occurred through the process of evolution.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Well, not really. Evolution answers that question perfectly well.

However, as to the OP, I think it is perhaps unfair to categorize religions as necessarily always denying the absence of knowledge. It is true that it appears as a common argument on these forums, but I'm sure there are plenty of religious ideologies which at least teach the value of logical humility and accepting the limits of your own knowledge. Still, it is a curiosity how often the statement "I don't know" simply isn't considered acceptable in certain discussions.

Yeah for example classical Buddhism says that science should take precedence. (though classical Buddhism is atheistic)
 

Reflex

Active Member
Scientists are happy with admitting they don't know all the answers (usually with the rider, "but we're looking into it") why do most (every?) religion have to have an answer for everything? Even if they make the answer up.
Is that why Thomas Aquinas famously said, "In the end, we know God as unknown"? Because he claimed to know everything? I would like to know how many theologians make the claim you say they make..
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Is that why Thomas Aquinas famously said, "In the end, we know God as unknown"? Because he claimed to know everything? I would like to know how many theologians make the claim you say they make..

Some theist do not but most do, for example many religions claim to know what happens to our consciousness after we die despite not providing evidence.
 

RRex

Active Member
Premium Member
Meh. I don't need to know everything. I've grown up.

Knowing why a thing is reminds me of what Spock said -

"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting (it)."

It's the quest that drives us. Perhaps we're not meant to know.

LLAP.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Why can't atheists accept there non-position? How can so many atheists be sure that there are no deities? If they aren't sure , why are they arguing, for the position, that there aren't?/ deities

To what degree do we need to think something is true or not to say we are "sure? What does "sure" mean to you? Are you seeking 100% certainty?
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
"I don't know" is always a phrase of last resort for a lot of us when it comes to probably most things. :D

Just read some of the threads in here.

Well I think that is usually because:

A) They started debating in a topic they do not know.

or

B) The realize a contradiction in their beliefs.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Well I think that is because

A) They started debating in a topic they do not know.

Which we all do, sometimes without even realizing it. :D

or

B) The realize a contradiction in their beliefs.

"Realize" may be too generous. I think it's more like, "vaguely perceive that I've just been shown something that suggests that some of the elements of my belief system don't quite mesh perfectly with reality. . . " . People tend to respond to things like that in the same way they would to a thrown punch: duck, dodge, block, and/or hit back without thinking.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Which we all do, sometimes without even realizing it. :D



"Realize" may be too generous. I think it's more like, "vaguely perceive that I've just been shown something that suggests that some of the elements of my belief system don't quite mesh perfectly with reality. . . " . People tend to respond to things like that in the same way they would to a thrown punch: duck, dodge, block, and/or hit back without thinking.

Very true.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Scientists are happy with admitting they don't know all the answers (usually with the rider, "but we're looking into it") why do most (every?) religion have to have an answer for everything? Even if they make the answer up.

Because they often claim to be inspired or written by supernatural beings. When you believe that there's often very little room for "maybe I'm wrong" types of thinking.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Religions usually can't accept or disregard anything. They aren't people.


Also why do you care about what other people believe? I have several neighbours, I have never asked them about their religious views. Who the hell actually cares about stuff like that?
I think Hobbies might help. There is also Sex. It can also serve as a wonderful Hobby. Though I wouldn't say that at a Job Interview.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Religions usually can't accept or disregard anything. They aren't people.


Also why do you care about what other people believe? I have several neighbours, I have never asked them about their religious views. Who the hell actually cares about stuff like that?
I think Hobbies might help. There is also Sex. It can also serve as a wonderful Hobby. Though I wouldn't say that at a Job Interview.

This website is for the growth and understanding of various people on the topic of religion.

I personally care because religious thinking can cause irrational actions that can affect others.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have several neighbours, I have never asked them about their religious views. Who the hell actually cares about stuff like that?
I think Hobbies might help. There is also Sex. It can also serve as a wonderful Hobby. Though I wouldn't say that at a Job Interview.
I'd avoid it with neighbors too.
- They might tell the spouse.
- If things go south, you still have to see them regularly.
- All my neighbors are ugly, germ laden, mean, or have uninspired landscaping.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Scientists are happy with admitting they don't know all the answers (usually with the rider, "but we're looking into it") why do most (every?) religion have to have an answer for everything? Even if they make the answer up.

Jiddu Krishnamurti somewhere says something to the effect that a mark of extremely high intelligence is accepting that one does not know what one cannot know --- only he says it much better than that, if I recall.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
LOL! How's the Religious Right doing in your country?

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Okay not entirely true, those that exist usually seek asylum in the US.



This website is for the growth and understanding of various people on the topic of religion.

I personally care because religious thinking can cause irrational actions that can affect others.

But OP didn't even ask about people, he asked about Religions. That in itself makes no sense.
 
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