We don't need to take materialist atheism as a whole seriously.

[Polymath257]

Burr believed what the data showed him: that physical and chemical life follows an immaterial blueprint, which of course needs a creator.

But that *isn't* what the data showed him! It showed that there are E&M fields around most living processes. Since almost every chemical process in living things involves some sort of charge separation, that is hardly surprising.

 

[QuestioningMind]

lol

nice try thought

Still waiting for you to provide evidence for a negative.

 

[1137]

I have some personal stuff that's come up, I'll have to cut this short.

 

[blü 2]

1137

atheists have nothing but straw men.​

You say gods exist outside imagination. That is, you say they have objective existence.

So they're real and you know that, implying you have a way of ascertaining that they're gods.

Why then are you unable to tell us how you ascertain that they're gods?

Why are you unable to show us a god, something you say has objective existence?

No straw in those questions ─ they go to the heart of the debate.

 

[1137]

NVM I need a distraction.

But that *isn't* what the data showed him! It showed that there are E&M fields around most living processes. Since almost every chemical process in living things involves some sort of charge separation, that is hardly surprising.

If you would bother to study a concept rather than discard it at the mere idea that it may prove you wrong, you would see that it is far more complicated than that. But hey, you've decided your conclusion already.

 

[Thief]

There is no flaw in atheism. Nor in avampirism or aleprechaunism. We simply have no reason to believe in any of those entities. Nor in succubi, dragons, or ghosts.

Being rational skeptics, we are people that require a reason to believe before believing. Is that really so unreasonable to the theist? You might consider adopting that position yourself.

Closed-mindedness is a feature of faith based thought, not reason and evidence based thought.

try cause and effect
Spirit first
and we get to ask Him how to say ....I AM!.....when we meet Him

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

the test comes soon enough

you die.....and maybe your will to live will prompt you to stand from the dust
and then you get to do the test
before God and heaven

good luck

Good luck indeed: out of the thousands (some say millions) of gods so far "discovered" by humans?

What are your odds of picking the correct one-- and indeed, that your choice does not irritate the *actual* god (if there is one)?

Pascal's Wager just won't die-- even though it's actually insulting to god-- Pascal's wager absolutely requires that the god in question is something of an idiot, and is easily fooled, by a dodge.....!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I think a materialist calling themselves a skeptic is the funniest thing I've ever seen in philosophy.

And I think a god-robot calling themselves a philosopher is even funnier!

But wait--! It gets funnier still! These god-robots claim to be.... <laughing> .... scientists! As if!

 

[Thief]

Good luck indeed: out of the thousands (some say millions) of gods so far "discovered" by humans?

What are your odds of picking the correct one-- and indeed, that your choice does not irritate the *actual* god (if there is one)?

Pascal's Wager just won't die-- even though it's actually insulting to god-- Pascal's wager absolutely requires that the god in question is something of an idiot, and is easily fooled, by a dodge.....!

and what are the odds......of the billions of souls to choose from....
God would want to keep you around

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

#8, atheists have nothing but straw men.

Theists have nothing but a bogus straw man that they worship that varies from theist to theist.

Atheists have reason.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Polymath257]

NVM I need a distraction.
If you would bother to study a concept rather than discard it at the mere idea that it may prove you wrong, you would see that it is far more complicated than that. But hey, you've decided your conclusion already.

On the contrary, the whole field of biochemistry shows how chemistry (including the E&M aspects) describe the processes of life. There is no separate 'life field'. it is ordinary physics and chemistry,

You seem to think that E&M is something mystical and non-material. That is part of where you fail.

 

[1137]

Theists have nothing but a bogus straw man that they worship that varies from theist to theist.

Atheists have reason.

Thanks, but no thanks.

God is a straw man?

 

[1137]

On the contrary, the whole field of biochemistry shows how chemistry (including the E&M aspects) describe the processes of life. There is no separate 'life field'. it is ordinary physics and chemistry,

You seem to think that E&M is something mystical and non-material. That is part of where you fail.

I really won't waste any more time on science deniers, at least not now. Like I said, if you bothered to educate yourself youd see what the data shows, but materialism is one of the most dogmatic religions known to man.

 

[Polymath257]

I really won't waste any more time on science deniers, at least not now. Like I said, if you bothered to educate yourself youd see what the data shows, but materialism is one of the most dogmatic religions known to man.

I hve educated myself as to what the data shows. Your links don't show what you seem to think they do.

YOU are the one that is denying science by introducing metaphysical BS into the discussion when it is simply not needed or even helpful.

 

[Polymath257]

God is a straw man?

More of a fictional construct that allows those in power to control those who are gullible enough to believe.

 

[1137]

I hve educated myself as to what the data shows. Your links don't show what you seem to think they do.

YOU are the one that is denying science by introducing metaphysical BS into the discussion when it is simply not needed or even helpful.

I'm surprised the book arrived that fast and you were able to read it already! But yeah, what the data showed was that what Burr called "life fields" acted much more like a blueprint than simply an EMF field coming from the body in the present moment. It's not just that we radiate EMFs like a movie theater projector does, but there's a measurable and understandable field which allows us to predict bio-chemical changes in life, from plants to lower forms of intelligent life to humans.

More of a fictional construct that allows those in power to control those who are gullible enough to believe.

Weird, I didn't realize the US government was neo kemetic. I really need to pay more attention!

 

[Polymath257]

Weird, I didn't realize the US government was neo kemetic. I really need to pay more attention!

You think those in government are the only ones in power?

 

[sayak83]

I'm surprised the book arrived that fast and you were able to read it already! But yeah, what the data showed was that what Burr called "life fields" acted much more like a blueprint than simply an EMF field coming from the body in the present moment. It's not just that we radiate EMFs like a movie theater projector does, but there's a measurable and understandable field which allows us to predict bio-chemical changes in life, from plants to lower forms of intelligent life to humans.



Weird, I didn't realize the US government was neo kemetic. I really need to pay more attention!

This seems to be one of many examples of speculative theories championed by one or two scientists that proved wrong and went nowhere and has been rejected a long time back in the biological sciences.

Why do you think this old discarded theory is correct?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

and what are the odds......of the billions of souls to choose from....
God would want to keep you around

About the same odds as wanting to keep YOU.

You think that stroking the ego of the Ultimate Creator is actually going to work? How narcissistic do you need to be, here?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I really won't waste any more time on science deniers, at least not now. Like I said, if you bothered to educate yourself youd see what the data shows, but materialism is one of the most dogmatic religions known to man.

Oh, the irony of a science denier worrying about... someone who actually USES science properly!