Weirdest war ever?

[exchemist]

Agree, this is very much a modern war. But still having random civilians hacking a country is rather unusual I think

It's the first time it's been possible and that people have been sufficiently motivated morally to try it, I suppose.

But I agree it is interesting. It seems to be yet another respect in which direct citizen engagement, rather than state action, is made possible as a result of the IT revolution.

 

[exchemist]

To me without being an expert of any kind in military tactics, it very much seem like none of this went as Putin imagined it would, I think he underestimated the Ukrainians and that they would quickly collapse, that the EU would be months about reacting and it would end in more or less chaos and "be" over before the west could react in any serious way. So to me it looks like a lot of things didn't go as planned.

Yes, you can tell that from the way his speech claimed it was going to plan - obviously it wasn't so he felt the need to claim it was under control.

 

[nPeace]

Absolutely certain.

“We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; yet they deem Us a stirrer up of strife and sedition worthy of bondage and banishment…. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled—what harm is there in this?… Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…. Yet do We see your kings and rulers lavishing their treasures more freely on means for the destruction of the human race than on that which would conduce to the happiness of mankind…. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family…. Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind….” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. ix

1. the good of the world and the happiness of the nations
2. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers
3. that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled
4. these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come
5. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family

Um. Which of these refer to what you said?

 

[Trailblazer]

Are you sure? I think it was about as well unified against Nazi Germany, wasn't it?

The world was unified against Nazi Germany, but not as unified as it is against the Ukrainian war.

 

[nPeace]

It only take a very few people or person to start a war, the rest just follows like sheep's

I wonder why?

 

[Trailblazer]

1. the good of the world and the happiness of the nations
2. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers
3. that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled
4. these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come
5. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family

Um. Which of these refer to what you said?

All of them.

 

[nPeace]

All of them.

Doesn't match.

 

[Nimos]

Yes, you can tell that from the way his speech claimed it was going to plan - obviously it wasn't so he felt the need to claim it was under control.

And that is not even including the **** storm he has brought over Russia in general with all the sanctions, which they are going to deal with for a long time.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well be careful, because in 10 years if you are wrong, that also means that Baha'u'llah were as well or that people as expected have no clue regarding these predictions because they are as vague as they are

Good observation. You are right about that.
I am not worried, not about that, but I do worry when I see people suffering needlessly.

 

[Nimos]

I wonder why?

Good question

 

[Trailblazer]

Doesn't match.

Why?
I can find more if you want more.

 

[Nimos]

Yes, you can tell that from the way his speech claimed it was going to plan - obviously it wasn't so he felt the need to claim it was under control.

Also just read this, that is when you know things are not going well, when even Chess players comments on what Putin is doing is wrong

After Round 1 of the second leg of the FIDE Grand Prix in Belgrade Russian Grandmaster Alexander Grischuk made a statement and shared his feeling about Russia’s attack on Ukraine.

“Now I don’t think I will be able to recover at all. I am very sad, very pained with what is going on. I will not use the word ‘war’ because it’s prohibited in our media and I want them to be able to quote me. I was and would support Russia in 99% of international conflicts but this time I cannot manage to do that. In my view what we are doing is very wrong from both moral view and practical view. And maybe our government, our president think that if they stop what’s going on they will have to resign and maybe if they really think about future of Russia maybe they think that it will bring big shocks in Russia, maybe it will make Russia potentially break into pieces, some regions maybe get separated. On the other hand, it happened in Russia’s history many times. It would not be the first time. For example 100 years ago after February and October revolutions, we had a terrible civil war, we had to resign in WW1, we lost a lot of territories. Russia broke several times in history but it always resurrected. Russia is like a liquid terminator, it all comes together if we know that truth is on our side, we are feeling that we are with truth, with God, with justice. And now at least me, I am losing this feeling with every day of what is going on, with every victim, with every bombing of the civil object. It’s extremely painful for me. I really hope it will stop”

 

[amorphous_constellation]

a two minute video, seems like there might be an odd clue about elite division, possibly. Seems to show a lack of morale? I'm not sure what the advisor is saying, or indicating with his attitude?

 

[nPeace]

Good question

You mean you don't know!!!?
Another score for the Bible.

 

[nPeace]

Why?

You said...

It is different from wars of the past. This is all in fulfillment of what Baha'u'llah prophesied, that people will come together in unity. Look at how unified people are against Putin, helping the Ukrainians. The world has never before been this unified.

Then you said you are 100% certain that this was prophesied in Bahaullah's words, here... which is about world peace between all men, and all religion.

People coming together for the people of Ukraine is not world peace, and unity between men of all races and religion.

I can find more if you want more.

Give me the best you have - one for all.

 

[nPeace]

I hear very little about the progress on the war. How well or bad things are going. That's weird as well. There's a few reports but not many. Seems like the invasion has stalled and Putin isn't doing very much now.

It's all focused on the political arena.

Take a look at this.

 

[Trailblazer]

Give me the best you have - one for all.

Tell me specifically what you want and I will try to find it.

 

[nPeace]

Tell me specifically what you want and I will try to find it.

Support for the claims you made here, and here.

 

[Trailblazer]

Support for the claims you made here, and here.

I said "It is different from wars of the past. This is all in fulfillment of what Baha'u'llah prophesied, that people will come together in unity. Look at how unified people are against Putin, helping the Ukrainians. The world has never before been this unified."

I do not know if Baha'u'llah actually 'prophesied' that people would come together in unity.
I'll have to ask some of my Baha'i sidekicks.

Meanwhile, I know that Baha'u'llah wrote about a lot about unity

“The utterance of God is a lamp, whose light is these words: Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship. He Who is the Day Star of Truth beareth Me witness! So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth. The one true God, He Whoknoweth all things, Himself testifieth to the truth of these words.” Gleanings, p. 288

“Through the power of the words He hath uttered the whole of the human race can be illumined with the light of unity, and the remembrance of His Name is able to set on fire the hearts of all men, and burn away the veils that intervene between them and His glory. One righteous act is endowed with a potency that can so elevate the dust as to cause it to pass beyond the heaven of heavens. It can tear every bond asunder, and hath the power to restore the force that hath spent itself and vanished…” Gleanings, pp. 286-287

“It is incumbent upon every man of insight and understanding to strive to translate that which hath been written into reality and action…. That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race. The Great Being saith: Blessed and happy is he that ariseth to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. In another passage He hath proclaimed: It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens.” Gleanings, p. 250

 

[nPeace]

I said "It is different from wars of the past. This is all in fulfillment of what Baha'u'llah prophesied, that people will come together in unity. Look at how unified people are against Putin, helping the Ukrainians. The world has never before been this unified."

I do not know if Baha'u'llah actually 'prophesied' that people would come together in unity.
I'll have to ask some of my Baha'i sidekicks.

Meanwhile, I know that Baha'u'llah wrote about a lot about unity

“The utterance of God is a lamp, whose light is these words: Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship. He Who is the Day Star of Truth beareth Me witness! So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth. The one true God, He Whoknoweth all things, Himself testifieth to the truth of these words.” Gleanings, p. 288

“Through the power of the words He hath uttered the whole of the human race can be illumined with the light of unity, and the remembrance of His Name is able to set on fire the hearts of all men, and burn away the veils that intervene between them and His glory. One righteous act is endowed with a potency that can so elevate the dust as to cause it to pass beyond the heaven of heavens. It can tear every bond asunder, and hath the power to restore the force that hath spent itself and vanished…” Gleanings, pp. 286-287

“It is incumbent upon every man of insight and understanding to strive to translate that which hath been written into reality and action…. That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race. The Great Being saith: Blessed and happy is he that ariseth to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. In another passage He hath proclaimed: It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens.” Gleanings, p. 250

Do you agree that the prophecy of Bahaullah, which you gave me, is about world peace, where every man would be united, regardless of race, nationality, or religion?