We're all (mostly) dogmatic... Only few admit it while others call it faith or science.

[Thief]

Science demands evidence and is only based on solid evidences (not theories).
The 5 physical senses connected with the mind are our wires of perception.
Hence in most cases, our sensory organs makes up our version of truth.
Though these senses are always susceptible to illusion, still they are the closest to receiving factual evidences.

We come across a million things when we take a drive for 10 mins from home to college and we ASSUME all of them to be real. The hills, the water tanks, the cars, the cows on the roads, etc. All of them are real to our eyes.
We do not need to go and feel their presence, we know 'for a fact' that they are real.
Note: only the senses of eyes are at play here.

At the same time, the eyes also sees a mirror as a smooth surface and solid objects as solid, while in this case we believe that this is actually not the case.
Nothing is exactly "smooth" and nothing is solid.
Yet none of us have actually seen the atoms and the infinitely fast moving electrons with the use of powerful microscopes. But we believe it, because someone with qualified education says so.

Moving on, many with prestigious degrees in India, China, Iran and even the US have views that according to us are more suited to the 12th century along with religious fanaticism, homophobia and anti atheistic rants.

But in this case, the degrees do not give them the same respect as others who accept LGBT, atheists and other minorities.

So, how does it work?
On one hand, blind faith is wrong, but it's okay if the person has years of experience in the field of science.
Years of experience is a plus point in scientific researches but not if that person speaks something that isn't accepted in the norms of majority.
And we put our faith in the same science that once said that gay men could be "cured" by electrocution.

Actually science or whims of majority?

you left out logic

there are many things of which you must think about them
and thinking is all you can do

don't trust your thoughts?

 

[Thief]

Science demands evidence and is only based on solid evidences (not theories).
The 5 physical senses connected with the mind are our wires of perception.


Actually science or whims of majority?

your first line is correct.....it's all theory until proof is in hand
then it is a fact

and our five senses indicate we are here to learn all that we can before we die.
design of the body.....to produce a unique spirit

btw....I believe in God because of science

 

[Sirius Star]

Yes you and I know that, but sadly most just cannot get it...........why ???.,

Why would anyone not at least want to try to listen into what perhaps all of the holy angels were perhaps saying the whole entire time. That there was perhaps a much different world from even this one.

Can't you see what is that imagining: this has only been about God's whole entire world all at the same time. There are no top dons. There are no mafias. There are no tireless. There are only burnt tires. The Winnie Mandela effects. The most effective of tyrants. Those who preach goods. Goods for no good. Nothing but hoods. Garbage cans.

So who are the gutless who still sacrifice animals. Those who can those same horses. Is that a question or another receipt of the latest replies. Cecil the Lion. How many more of white Africa's lions. God parted the waters. To spare the minerals. God chops trees. Man strikes down more bears. Evil is wickedness. The E.U. burns up historical revisionist books. What Hitler saved the Jews? The jews are the only ones who murder themselves? They murdered Dresden's Germany and escaped refugees?

 

[dianaiad]

Ok, I'll talk to you, my own way of seeing what is called God is seeing all as One, and that is the Cosmos, we are all one with the Cosmos, everything working in harmony, to me there is no so called god out there doing things, such as judging us, we do that ourselves.

You can see this in metaphors, which all scriptures are, but so many take the metaphors literally, and this is where we have so many problems, everyone believing their metaphors are the true metaphors, its really childish. I personally don't even believe in a literal Jesus, and we don't have to believe he existed, again its all metaphor.

Now if I am speaking to someone who see's the scriptures as literal then I cannot argue with them, because they are on a whole different level, and that is what you and I are, and that is why I cannot have a true discussion, I am not here to change your mind because I don't really care what you want to believe. I don't normally debate, I have experienced my own inner truth, and that is what we all need to do. But what ever that experience is, is never that truly is, the experience is always secondary to that which is. So again I cannot debate over you personal experience, you have yours and I have mine, and both in the end are not totally true, its all to do with where the experience or concept of that experience points to, and that is what we can never truly know.......that's it in a nut shell.

I am confused.

Actually, what I am is bemused. You haven't actually read my posts, have you? May I ask you what part of "I am not a biblical inerrantist" and "I'm a dyed in the wool evolutionist," and my own reference to errors in the bible cause you to come to the conclusion that I AM a biblical inerrantist (that's what 'taking the bible literally' means, after all)?

I'm a MORMON, psychoslice. I believe (and yes, I'm about to quote official stuff here) that the bible is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, and I also believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.

the bible was written by men, m'friend. Men who wrote in and about their own times. There are a great many proverbs (literally...there's a whole book entitled that in the bible; some really good stuff in there), parables, great poetry and a whole lot of philosophy and truth in it.It also has a few goofs, some things written from points of view that we, today, simply don't understand, and probably don't agree with.

...........and that's just the Old Testament. The New Testament teaches about Jesus Christ.

BTW, there's no reason to believe that an itinerant teacher/preacher named Jesus did NOT exist, preach for three years and then get crucified. We do have extra-biblical evidence that this man did indeed exist. Whether He (as I believe) was the Only Begotten Son of God is certainly debatable, but that He didn't exist at all?

Now that's just reaching. There's nothing logical in trying to erase His simple existence. Myths generally take a bit longer to cement themselves into history...people who actually claimed to have known Him were writing about him during their lifetimes.

Generally, when something is being set up as a myth, the character and setting are placed 'long ago and far away.' Be of good cheer, however, Acknowledging the probable existence of this man Jesus is by no means admitting that He was Who, and What, His followers claimed for Him.

As for discussing things with me, fine...but when you do, it might be nice if you wouldn't make up my religion and beliefs FOR me. I get enough of that sort of thing from evangelicals. If you don't mind, ask me what my beliefs are, don't tell me what they are. It will save time.

Thanks.

 

[psychoslice]

Really, there is no room for jeer but there may be plenty of room for fear. That if God said that in that time there was a deer. Oh, some people just love to drink their beers. But with God they persist still for their rights. Yes, even up to very end of all the world ever offered was lies. Lies to create more burials. More food stuffs. More idiots now on drugs. What are slugs? The word languages.

Under God's eternal judgments there are no places for such arrears. That all who curse the Lord Jesus Christ inside of all of their actions as well as their very own words will perhaps eventually even prove their very own reeds. Can you imagine why in certain rivers there are so many different types of rocks which appear to have been placed there by someone just because nothing matches.

How many times have you seen the effects of floods? The rocks remain behind as if they were made to remain there through the engineering of magnets. Well what if just because some are made up of diamond swirls. Some have etched in stars. Some appear to be directions. It appears to have fed the waters. So it is easier to pick up t/where are horizontal handles. Where it is grey sediment it ruffles. For downhills. So what sciences?

Na, for me there is no god, so I have no fear, I just have a life that I never asked for, but because I am here I will enjoy it with as much humor and laughter as possible, I'll leave all the worries to those who take life serious and miss out on living it here and NOW.

 

[psychoslice]

Why would anyone not at least want to try to listen into what perhaps all of the holy angels were perhaps saying the whole entire time. That there was perhaps a much different world from even this one.

Can't you see what is that imagining: this has only been about God's whole entire world all at the same time. There are no top dons. There are no mafias. There are no tireless. There are only burnt tires. The Winnie Mandela effects. The most effective of tyrants. Those who preach goods. Goods for no good. Nothing but hoods. Garbage cans.

So who are the gutless who still sacrifice animals. Those who can those same horses. Is that a question or another receipt of the latest replies. Cecil the Lion. How many more of white Africa's lions. God parted the waters. To spare the minerals. God chops trees. Man strikes down more bears. Evil is wickedness. The E.U. burns up historical revisionist books. What Hitler saved the Jews? The jews are the only ones who murder themselves? They murdered Dresden's Germany and escaped refugees?

Its so wonderful isn't it ?.

 

[Thief]

Na, for me there is no god, so I have no fear, I just have a life that I never asked for, but because I am here I will enjoy it with as much humor and laughter as possible, I'll leave all the worries to those who take life serious and miss out on living it here and NOW.

I lean to serious.
and I do enjoy living

 

[psychoslice]

I lean to serious.
and I do enjoy living

If your serious you cannot be living Now.

 

[Thief]

If your serious you cannot be living Now.

breathing.....check
pulse.....check

going to earn a paycheck.....check

 

[Sirius Star]

Indeed, I have my belief in a deity, and the only claim I have made is that I actually believe in one. You made a claim that there absolutely, positively, isn't one and so it is a fact that there isn't one, and you can prove it.

But you don't prove it, and then make fun of me because I believe in a 'god in the sky."


psychoslice, I don't think you see the point of this, at all. Ah, well.

Anyone who does not desire to believe there is even a single cloud in the whole sky who could fit Isaiah chapter one will be lost then found. The whole entire conversation is the same message all over again: there is only manna-less wisdom. No mercy in anything and usually they cannot get along. They must always be the one announcing. The dog is laughing.

All of the people who will be going. Going to hell's ozone. What did the prophets write corrections? Oh, those were such much more minor insurrections. No, this is where it lands. The lands of all of Absolom will become all of the True Kingdom of Christ's gains. Let's make that a tall 't' so we don't need to miss those origins of that same argument all over again. The pit bull was shot for no good reason. The cops are guilty. The animals were first inside Eden, then stepped Manasseh through Hezekiah's throne.

 

[psychoslice]

breathing.....check
pulse.....check

going to earn a paycheck.....check

I don't mean surviving, I mean truly living, to be serious your living in the past or the imagined future.

 

[Thief]

I don't mean surviving, I mean truly living, to be serious your living in the past or the imagined future.

as per scripture.....I breath every breath and drink every drink

 

[Sirius Star]

Na, for me there is no god, so I have no fear, I just have a life that I never asked for, but because I am here I will enjoy it with as much humor and laughter as possible, I'll leave all the worries to those who take life serious and miss out on living it here and NOW.

Sure, you devil, Satan's most holy, most devout angel, even worse than the other one, if anyone can believe in faeries in their own lands? Well of course, the homosexuals. Sea what are angels?

 

[psychoslice]

as per scripture.....I breath every breath and drink every drink

Why scripture, can't you do things on your own ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Sure, you devil, Satan's most holy, most devout angel, even worse than the other one, if anyone can believe in faeries in their own lands? Well of course, the homosexuals. Sea what are angels?

You talk riddles, but can you truly talk ?.

 

[Thief]

Why scripture, can't you do things on your own ?.

I know a wise saying when I read one....

 

[psychoslice]

I know a wise saying when I read one....

Second-hand maybe, true wisdom is from within.

 

[dianaiad]

I don't mean surviving, I mean truly living, to be serious your living in the past or the imagined future.

psychoslice, SOME of us truly appreciate the checklist:

breathing? check
pulse? check
going to earn a paycheck? check.

I suppose one has to come really close to not being able to check one of those to really appreciate them

I mean, really; tell the asthmatic coming off of a trip to the ER that being able to breath is 'just surviving.'

Tell the guy walking out of the cardiac care unit after having 'coded" that appreciating a pulse is 'simply surviving."

There is a woman who has just been told that the teaching credential she worked so hard for, so late in life, can't be used because she has incurable cancer and the treatments she will be on for the rest of her life will so mess up her immune system that she can no longer teach kids in a classroom. Have her find the opportunity to teach at-risk kids on their computers, one-on-one and do more good with them than she could EVER do in a classroom full of bored gang members who would rather be anywhere else knifing someone else. Tell HER that 'earning a paycheck" is just 'surviving.'

Oh...tell that same woman with the incurable cancer that on the one hand, she has a particularly nasty version of that cancer, one with a considerably shortened prognosis, because she has a genetic mutation on the cancer cells that make it worse...but on the other hand, she's one of the very lucky few whose bone marrow transplant was extremely successful...to the point that she's been in remission for three years to date. Tell HER that breathing, a pulse, and a chance for a paycheck is 'just surviving."

I call it LIVING with all capital letters, myself. I call it 'winning." I call it wonderful....

Look, psychoslice. I don't know you, but I'm willing to lay odds that you don't understand the viewpoint of any of the above people. How can you? One has to actually experience something like that to understand the viewpoint of someone who has dealt with it...and right now I"m feeling about your judgmental attitude the way I did about the woman who came up to me at my husband's funeral with a sad face. She patted me on the arm and said 'I know just how you feel: I lost my cat last year. You will be fine, though. Just give it a few weeks."

I wonder why that is?



And I'm not going to tell anybody ELSE that he or she is 'just surviving' because his or her beliefs, or approach to life, is different from mine.

 

[psychoslice]

psychoslice, SOME of us truly appreciate the checklist:

breathing? check
pulse? check
going to earn a paycheck? check.

I suppose one has to come really close to not being able to check one of those to really appreciate them

I mean, really; tell the asthmatic coming off of a trip to the ER that being able to breath is 'just surviving.'

Tell the guy walking out of the cardiac care unit after having 'coded" that appreciating a pulse is 'simply surviving."

There is a woman who has just been told that the teaching credential she worked so hard for, so late in life, can't be used because she has incurable cancer and the treatments she will be on for the rest of her life will so mess up her immune system that she can no longer teach kids in a classroom. Have her find the opportunity to teach at-risk kids on their computers, one-on-one and do more good with them than she could EVER do in a classroom full of bored gang members who would rather be anywhere else knifing someone else. Tell HER that 'earning a paycheck" is just 'surviving.'

Oh...tell that same woman with the incurable cancer that on the one hand, she has a particularly nasty version of that cancer, one with a considerably shortened prognosis, because she has a genetic mutation on the cancer cells that make it worse...but on the other hand, she's one of the very lucky few whose bone marrow transplant was extremely successful...to the point that she's been in remission for three years to date. Tell HER that breathing, a pulse, and a chance for a paycheck is 'just surviving."

I call it LIVING with all capital letters, myself. I call it 'winning." I call it wonderful....

Look, psychoslice. I don't know you, but I'm willing to lay odds that you don't understand the viewpoint of any of the above people. How can you? One has to actually experience something like that to understand the viewpoint of someone who has dealt with it...and right now I"m feeling about your judgmental attitude the way I did about the woman who came up to me at my husband's funeral with a sad face. She patted me on the arm and said 'I know just how you feel: I lost my cat last year. You will be fine, though. Just give it a few weeks."

I wonder why that is?



And I'm not going to tell anybody ELSE that he or she is 'just surviving' because his or her beliefs, or approach to life, is different from mine.

Who the hell do you think you are, of course you know nothing about me, yes I am one of those who had cancer, i was one of those who was shot by someone, I was raped as a young man, I also have schizophrenia..............yes I do know what I am talking about !.

 

[Sirius Star]

I don't mean surviving, I mean truly living, to be serious your living in the past or the imagined future.

Why keep earning a much newer paycheck which will be seized in government forfeitures. See the science /\'d all of the seasons. There are no more "human" governments gone insane as to where the whole world operates inside of the almost exact same insane asylums.

The Christian patriots of the whole entire world are taking over the whole governmental structure mostly in service to the main culprit of the whole entire thing: the alien. The alien who knows no exact such realms. The most evil of all culprits. Big top shop host spits. The two clowns. Which one to prison, which one to the pits?