Western extremists violence consequences VS Muslims extremists violence consequences in recent histo

[Reverend Rick]

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so you support Palestine to exist too ? , i don't support the regime of Israel as you know , only if it's becomes justice with all his residences ,Arabs Rights = Jewish Rights

building house to jews and ignore the arabs !!! that's racist and distinction in rights .

Does Jordon have any responsibility here?

On the other hand, countries like North Korea and Iran scare the hell out of me.
I believe Iran don't run for make nuclear weapon , it's just big lie by the west (as they do with Iraq)

We never said Iraq had nukes, it was chemical weapons that was the issue. Remember the Kurds? We also figured out where the chemical weapons went to, Syria.

because they (Iran) believe and declare everytime ,nuclear weapon is forbiden in Islam , and they had no problem to make their peaceful nuclear project under control .

so USA want to hit Iran by any reason , but the Iranis had one joker card to win , to hit the sources of oil in the region, and export ports of oil .

so USA surrender to Iran , and maybe the war start for oil .

We don't need their oil. :no:

So, is the world a better place with or without Saddam?

Should the Isrealies ignore what Iran has said? They don't need a nuclear program and it will end up causing an attack on them, watch and see.

So Godobeyor, do you understand if you threaten my life I have a right to remove that threat?

You bad talk the west, but we don't gas people we don't agree with.

All this needs to stop. Violence on Muslims on Muslims. Violence on Jew by Muslims. Violence on Muslims by Jews. Violence on Muslims by the U.S.A. as well.

It all needs to stop. If you think Iran will be allowed to continue their nuclear path you underestimate Israel. They can push a button and it will be real bad for Iran.

The thing you miss is, they could have did this years ago but they do not.

If you leave Israel alone, they will leave others alone. You mess with them and it will not go well for anyone.

No one has an issue with the people of Iran, it is the government that will provoke another war.

Do you really think Iran can win this? They are chasing things others have had for decades. Iran thinks too much of it's self.

 

[Godobeyer]

Happy New Year M.Reverend Rick

Does Jordon have any responsibility here?

maybe you ignore "don't know" many issues about the conflict in middle east

Jordan had no repsonsiblity in Intern Israeli issues.

it's intern Isaeli issue , Israeli regime not equal with its citizens.

for extern issues :

Israel regime don't respect it's word with the Palestinians (deal with Palestinians) ,

they stealing/colonise by force pieces of the West Bank .that already deal for it !!!

The Israeli regime , had problem with , because of pieces of land of Lebanon,Syria

and Had politic problem with Iran .

and had racist problem with it Arab citizens , NOT EQUAL in rights .

We don't need their oil.

Really !!!

check this out :
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil - CNN.com
from this link :
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/


USA is in Top of the importantors of OIL in the world

check this link :
China Passes U.S. to Become World’s Top Oil Importer
China Passes U.S. to Become World

So, is the world a better place with or without Saddam?

Iraq under Saddam regime were in peaceful security , even there were intern and extern conflicts .

until US involved in that jungle ,as you see the situation goes to worst .

so the world would be better than racist and nuclear weapon and extremist what ever their religion .

Should the Isrealies ignore what Iran has said?
They don't need a nuclear program and it will end up causing an attack on them, watch and see.

So Godobeyor, do you understand if you threaten my life I have a right to remove that threat?

Iran don't threaten the jews , it's threaten the racist regime of Israel "Zionism", which murder and seige the muslims.

maybe you ignore that Iran had jews as citizen ?

So Israeli threaten Iran ,to hit the Irani peaceful nuclear , and Iran threaten Israel if it's be hitted that it's would destory israel .

so Israel and Iran insult/threaten each other all the time .

btw Saddam never threaten US , why US removed Saddam ?

You bad talk the west, but we don't gas people we don't agree with.

I don't mean by post this thread to insult the western ,by the compare the crimes , because We the muslims and YOU are victimes in period of time .

I find it's better to dialog issues,than keep it inside our heart , maybe it's my bad that i had long tongue,

that i Admit that i get provoked by a thread and posts insulting in all muslims .

then I just very intersting that some westerns people here insult whole the muslims,for killed each others ,

they forget their past.when they had the same problem (when you face the extremists like the Nazi ..etc)

maybe that it's blame on that i live in Algeria, because we have here

freedom of speech , I can bet that you did not find it in any other muslims countries .

in the same time ,I am glade that i am member in RF,RF is allowed to me to exprime freely my opinion.

All this needs to stop. Violence on Muslims on Muslims.

Violence on Jew by Muslims. Violence on Muslims by Jews. Violence on Muslims by the U.S.A. as well.

Fait enough

I believe the west could help in this,When the west politic become the solution NOT the problem .

For intern muslim problem :

I am for sure this situation (extrem phenomenon/fake Islam ) in muslim world would gone and even it's expanded in this years,

because the real Islam is coming back ,so we have the remedy , as Algeria won the terrorism ideology (fake Islam),

the others muslim countries will win the terrorism too .

for Jewish -muslim conflict :

maybe i say this for the first time ,

I think most of the muslims would accept Israel ,IF it's respect the deals (don't steal/occupate the land).

Palestine become a state and holy place that belong to muslims and christians in Jeruslem make it under the Palestine authority .

made their whole citizen had the same rights ,build homes to arabs as they build to jews . Justice and Equality .

It all needs to stop. If you think Iran will be allowed to continue their nuclear path you underestimate Israel.

They can push a button and it will be real bad for Iran.

The thing you miss is, they could have did this years ago but they do not.

If you leave Israel alone, they will leave others alone. You mess with them and it will not go well for anyone.

So Israeli which threaten Iran for it's nuclear,Not Iran threaten Israel for Israeli nuclear weapon ?

Then I am for sure Israel would never strick individually Iran because it's don't have the green light from US.

So I dedicace this American song that i love to the Irans and Palestines and Lebnanes courage against Israeli aggresions and threaten.


Eminem , i am not affraid .
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Eminem - Not Afraid - YouTube

 

[Karl R]

as resume to my two previous point , (if i considerate Bin Laden as Muslim ) top extremist of Muslims recently "Bin laden" vs top extremist of west recently "Hitler" , who killed more ?

my point is ,Hitler and Stalin ,were western leader , so the west genocide each other consquences had not comparatble with what done by some extrem muslims like Bin Laden for exemple.

If the best justification you have for anyone's actions is "Hitler and Stalin were worse," then you have convinced me that person's actions are also evil.

- Is not first nuclear bomb hit the civilians done by the western, not the muslims ?

Bombing Japan was a terrible thing and I don't think we ever want to do something like that again.

Then why Hollywood did not made movie about nuclear strick to Hiroshima ? and represent the suffereing of innocent Japaness ?

To be fair, the Japanese did attack first. But that doesnt justify what happened.

All of you are displaying a strong ignorance of the events and decisions leading up to the use of the atom bomb.

The government of Japan, in pursuit of its imperial goals, occupied 23 countries and/or territories during World War II. They occupied several others before the war, and attacked several others during the war.
List of territories occupied by Imperial Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In order to squash Japan's attempt to conquer their way to dominance of the Pacific, the U.S. (and several other countries) fought back.

The Japanese were not performing bloodless conquests. Their actions resulted in the death of an estimated 3 million to 10 million civilians, many deliberately targeted by the Japanese military.
Japanese war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The total civilian deaths in the Pacific theater during World War II were 26 million (1 million Japanese, 25 million non-Japanese).

Fighting against the Japanese was also very messy, particularly when civilians were involved. When the U.S. conquered Saipan, 22,000 civilians died, mostly by committing suicide. The Japanese emperor sent an imperial order to the civilians encouraging them to commit suicide.
Battle of Saipan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In addition, Japanese propaganda lied to the Japanese and told them civilians would be raped, tortured and killed by U.S. soldiers if they were captured.

When the U.S. attacked Okinawa, the Japanese military confiscated food from civilians and shot civilians who tried to hide their food. This led to mass starvation among the civilians. Again, thousands of civilians were convinced by the Japanese military to commit suicide, rather than be captured by the U.S.
Between the Japanese, suicides and collateral damage from combat, between 40,000 and 150,000 civilians (out of 300,000 civilians) died on Okinawa.
Battle of Okinawa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What do you think would have happened if the U.S. invaded Japan, as the Japanese expected?

The Japanese had 2.3 million soldiers and 26 million civilian conscripts prepared to fight against an invasion. The U.S. expected that an invasion would lead to 5 to 10 million Japanese deaths. The Japanese estimated that an invasion would lead to 20 million Japanese deaths. The Japanese leaders were prepared to sacrifice millions of their own soldiers and citizens in order to avoid an unconditional surrender.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Instead, the U.S. decided to drop two atomic bombs. The bombs killed between 150,000 and 246,000 Japanese. This was tragic. But it was far less horrific than the 5 to 20 million Japanese deaths their own leaders were willing to pay, just to increase their own bargaining position at the surrender negotiations.

The U.S. government did not act solely out of a desire to preserve the lives of Japanese civilians. (It was a secondary consideration, but not the main consideration.) But let's not ignore the fact that the ultimate outcome of Hiroshima and Nagisaki saved Japanese lives ... lives their own leaders were willing to expend. That's what justifies the decision to drop the bombs.

And unlike terrorists (who deliberately target civilians in order to inspire terror), the U.S. military chose targets that had military importance, or had industrial importance which contributed to Japan's war effort.

In fact, during the bombing campaign against Japan (including the conventional bombing which preceded the atomic bombs) the U.S. Air Force dropped leaflets warning the citizens of impending bombing raids. However, the Japanese officials arrested anyone caught with a leaflet in their possession.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you wish to complain about the suffering of innocent Japanese, look at the Japanese leaders who were willing to watch them suffer. If you wish to look at the deaths caused by two atomic bombs, look at the lives saved when those Japanese leaders decided to surrender. The responsibility of the government is to look after the welfare of its people. Unfortunately, during World War II, the U.S. government showed far more concern for the welfare of the Japanese people than the Japanese government did.

 

[Caladan]

I dont get the idea behind this thread.

Yeah, I don't see any constructive point either.
What does it mean exactly to lump a vague 'western' historical bloc and an Islamic one and claim that both experience conflict? Yes, human history, whether western, Mid Eastern, African, or East Asian has a background of military conflict and often armies of different powers intervene in the other regions.
If the thread aims to claim that the Muslim world only developed social strife and a history of conflict after the west has mastered it, please read up on Islamic history. It is ripe with struggle for succession between dynasties, civil wars, and of course the Sunni-Shia divide which has claimed millions of lives and has remained unresolved since the first days of Islam when members of these two factions waged conflict against each other. In fact the Sunni-Shia series of conflicts is on par with long term version of world war, already claiming hundreds of thousands of lives only in the last decade (singular) in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan and other regions.

We all already know about the evils of Nazi Germany, about the Pacific theater of war involving Japan and the US, and many other major conflicts. In what way do these relate to the contemporary violence involving Muslim countries and factions? violence in which it is the Muslims who suffer from more than anyone else? Such internal conflicts in the Islamic world are not a modern invention, they began before Muhammad (not a paradox, he inherited and participated in the tribal civil wars in what is modern Saudi Arabia), lasted during his time, and resumed after his death as Muslim leaders began assassinating each other in their quest for domination over the right to rule.

 

[Godobeyer]

If the best justification you have for anyone's actions is "Hitler and Stalin were worse," then you have convinced me that person's actions are also evil.





All of you are displaying a strong ignorance of the events and decisions leading up to the use of the atom bomb.

The government of Japan, in pursuit of its imperial goals, occupied 23 countries and/or territories during World War II. They occupied several others before the war, and attacked several others during the war.
List of territories occupied by Imperial Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In order to squash Japan's attempt to conquer their way to dominance of the Pacific, the U.S. (and several other countries) fought back.

The Japanese were not performing bloodless conquests. Their actions resulted in the death of an estimated 3 million to 10 million civilians, many deliberately targeted by the Japanese military.
Japanese war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The total civilian deaths in the Pacific theater during World War II were 26 million (1 million Japanese, 25 million non-Japanese).

Fighting against the Japanese was also very messy, particularly when civilians were involved. When the U.S. conquered Saipan, 22,000 civilians died, mostly by committing suicide. The Japanese emperor sent an imperial order to the civilians encouraging them to commit suicide.
Battle of Saipan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In addition, Japanese propaganda lied to the Japanese and told them civilians would be raped, tortured and killed by U.S. soldiers if they were captured.

When the U.S. attacked Okinawa, the Japanese military confiscated food from civilians and shot civilians who tried to hide their food. This led to mass starvation among the civilians. Again, thousands of civilians were convinced by the Japanese military to commit suicide, rather than be captured by the U.S.
Between the Japanese, suicides and collateral damage from combat, between 40,000 and 150,000 civilians (out of 300,000 civilians) died on Okinawa.
Battle of Okinawa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What do you think would have happened if the U.S. invaded Japan, as the Japanese expected?

The Japanese had 2.3 million soldiers and 26 million civilian conscripts prepared to fight against an invasion. The U.S. expected that an invasion would lead to 5 to 10 million Japanese deaths. The Japanese estimated that an invasion would lead to 20 million Japanese deaths. The Japanese leaders were prepared to sacrifice millions of their own soldiers and citizens in order to avoid an unconditional surrender.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Instead, the U.S. decided to drop two atomic bombs. The bombs killed between 150,000 and 246,000 Japanese. This was tragic. But it was far less horrific than the 5 to 20 million Japanese deaths their own leaders were willing to pay, just to increase their own bargaining position at the surrender negotiations.

The U.S. government did not act solely out of a desire to preserve the lives of Japanese civilians. (It was a secondary consideration, but not the main consideration.) But let's not ignore the fact that the ultimate outcome of Hiroshima and Nagisaki saved Japanese lives ... lives their own leaders were willing to expend. That's what justifies the decision to drop the bombs.

And unlike terrorists (who deliberately target civilians in order to inspire terror), the U.S. military chose targets that had military importance, or had industrial importance which contributed to Japan's war effort.

In fact, during the bombing campaign against Japan (including the conventional bombing which preceded the atomic bombs) the U.S. Air Force dropped leaflets warning the citizens of impending bombing raids. However, the Japanese officials arrested anyone caught with a leaflet in their possession.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you wish to complain about the suffering of innocent Japanese, look at the Japanese leaders who were willing to watch them suffer. If you wish to look at the deaths caused by two atomic bombs, look at the lives saved when those Japanese leaders decided to surrender. The responsibility of the government is to look after the welfare of its people. Unfortunately, during World War II, the U.S. government showed far more concern for the welfare of the Japanese people than the Japanese government did.

I did not justify but
It's was world war , Japan was allie to Germany, Itlay ...etc .
And US was Allie to England , france

I know Japan was first attacked US navey , I just wonder why USA army in that time did not fall the atomic weapon on empty areas as warning , instead hit two cities full of civilians ?

 

[Godobeyer]

To Reverend Rick
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sorry not intentional i pass to comment on this :

We never said Iraq had nukes, it was chemical weapons that was the issue. Remember the Kurds? We also figured out where the chemical weapons went to, Syria.

On Oct. 7, 2002, Mr. Bush told an audience in Cincinnati that Iraq “is seeking nuclear weapons” and that “the evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.” Saddam Hussein, he said, “is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.”


from this site ;
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06fri1.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




I am condemne using the chemical weapon against kurds , but how about using Israeli banned chemical weapon against palestinians in Gaza ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVY4NUKowzg

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86gou_bombe-phosphore-blanc-gaza_news

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah, I don't see any constructive point either.
What does it mean exactly to lump a vague 'western' historical bloc and an Islamic one and claim that both experience conflict? Yes, human history, whether western, Mid Eastern, African, or East Asian has a background of military conflict and often armies of different powers intervene in the other regions.
If the thread aims to claim that the Muslim world only developed social strife and a history of conflict after the west has mastered it, please read up on Islamic history. It is ripe with struggle for succession between dynasties, civil wars, and of course the Sunni-Shia divide which has claimed millions of lives and has remained unresolved since the first days of Islam when members of these two factions waged conflict against each other. In fact the Sunni-Shia series of conflicts is on par with long term version of world war, already claiming hundreds of thousands of lives only in the last decade (singular) in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan and other regions.

We all already know about the evils of Nazi Germany, about the Pacific theater of war involving Japan and the US, and many other major conflicts. In what way do these relate to the contemporary violence involving Muslim countries and factions? violence in which it is the Muslims who suffer from more than anyone else? Such internal conflicts in the Islamic world are not a modern invention, they began before Muhammad (not a paradox, he inherited and participated in the tribal civil wars in what is modern Saudi Arabia), lasted during his time, and resumed after his death as Muslim leaders began assassinating each other in their quest for domination over the right to rule.

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so it's not nessacery to compare ?

i just wonder ,
then why you (the jews) angry when i compared in other thread ,between crimes of Isreali (zionists) against Palestinians and Lebaness vs crimes Nazi against Jews .

i mean if all are simialare for you (same value) where is the problem ?

 

[Sunstone]

If we ever are to have world peace, we have to quit keeping score. As long as we are getting even with one another it will never end.

I think that is very true. I also believe it is most unlikely we'll ever get away as a species from keeping score and trying to get even. As individuals, yes, some of us will, but not as a species.

None of that, however, should be taken to mean we ought to give up trying to get away from those things. After all, the survival of millions or billions of us hangs at any one moment on the decisions of politicians to avoid such things as wars -- both conventional and NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical) wars.

 

[Sunstone]

So may next World War would be by nuclear weapons .

If the next world war is fought by nuclear weapons, it will be the last world war for perhaps thousands of years. Assuming that anyone survives.

 

[Flankerl]

ُ then why you (the jews) angry when i compared in other thread ,between crimes of Isreali (zionists) against Palestinians and Lebaness vs crimes Nazi against Jews .

Angry would be the wrong word for it.


Lets say that completely stupid remarks and comparisons strike a nerve.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't think comparing battle scars will accomplish much in the way of promoting peace. Usually, it only seems to encourage a tribal "us vs. them" mentality instead.

 

[Caladan]

ُso it's not nessacery to compare ?

i just wonder ,
then why you (the jews) angry when i compared in other thread ,between crimes of Isreali (zionists) against Palestinians and Lebaness vs crimes Nazi against Jews .

i mean if all are simialare for you (same value) where is the problem ?

Thank you for proving the futility of your comparisons. In both cases your comparisons make no case for seriouse discussion and only promote (or at least exemplify) ignorance.

 

[Godobeyer]

Angry would be the wrong word for it.


Lets say that completely stupid remarks and comparisons strike a nerve.

I find this a high level of stupid remark

I dont get the idea behind this thread.

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I mean why only you ? you did not get the idea behind this thread

pretending failed

 

[Godobeyer]

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't think comparing battle scars will accomplish much in the way of promoting peace. Usually, it only seems to encourage a tribal "us vs. them" mentality instead.

i have this stupid proverb , "two wrongs don't make a right " had no sense for me .

"two wrongs make two wrongs "


let's me explain :

if that's right , then Why some fans of Morsi (Brotherhood) always mention to the crimes of the regime , and ignore the crimes that done by their names ? !!!!

they saw the crimes of the regime "incomparable " with their "ERRORS"

and why the western mention/focus to the crimes that done by exterm muslims , and ignore the crimes that done by their bombs , drones ...etc


this contradition i could not understand !!!!

 

[Assad91]

" Islamic" suicide bombers and western bombs have a habit of hitting the same type of innocent people.

So I'd say they both suck.

 

[Godobeyer]

" Islamic" suicide bombers and western bombs have a habit of hitting the same type of innocent people.

So I'd say they both suck.

I do agree wit this , both aiming innocent

my thread subject why the western blame us that we kill we each other extermists kill us , and they forget that they tracked the same path before (WW1, WW2 ) by the same way , which cost 60 millions of westerns died !!!

it's our bad that we did not get the lesson from them .

 

[Juhurka]

Hi to all

I have two points to discuss here , one for the our recent past and one for our futur ."Western extremists violence consequences VS Muslims extremists violence consequences in recent history !! "

1-for me i did not considrate any terrorist as muslim even "bad muslim",maybe some people here would be shocked, if i tell you "let's suppose i face a case when i would eliminate group of terrorists (extrem muslims) to save one innocent non-muslim" .
for sure i would eliminate them to save one innocent non-muslim.

2-when western people forget the events in recent last 100 years when they were in violence,and colonisation to whole the world , racist and slavery against black .

- Is not first nuclear bomb hit the civilians done by the western, not the muslims ?

- In World WAR 1,2 the western countries fight each others , which cost 60 millions ,in war the armies used in it a simple guns !!!!

- so we the muslims did not reach that number yet "60 millions " !!!

as resume to my two previous point , (if i considerate Bin Laden as Muslim ) top extremist of Muslims recently "Bin laden" vs top extremist of west recently "Hitler" , who killed more ?

3-let's suppose that the Third World War begin for OIL or for any reason , that's mean next war it's mean maybe the end of the humanity

thanks for reading ,
I just hope that this thread did not considerate as an offend/provocation to anyone here

Should I remind you of the Muslim conquests, Caliphate and why half of the world today is Muslim? Convert or die, what about the German SS squads made of Muslims? Stop making your selfs so innocent because the only people in this day and age who chop off ears and eat peoples hearts are done by Muslims, you people claim to be holly worriers but you hide behind women and children so stop with your nonsense, you are just as good as anyone else.

 

[Debater Slayer]

i have this stupid proverb , "two wrongs don't make a right " had no sense for me .

"two wrongs make two wrongs "


let's me explain :

if that's right , then Why some fans of Morsi (Brotherhood) always mention to the crimes of the regime , and ignore the crimes that done by their names ? !!!!

they saw the crimes of the regime "incomparable " with their "ERRORS"

You should probably ask them, since I'm neither a supporter nor a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Not sure why you're asking me this question.

and why the western mention/focus to the crimes that done by exterm muslims , and ignore the crimes that done by their bombs , drones ...etc

I'm not in the business of referring to a large group of nations that consists of over a billion people as one homogenous entity (i.e., "western" or "the West") when discussing their supposed views. You're going to have to specify which "western" person/people you're talking about here.

this contradition i could not understand !!!!

There's no contradiction that I can see; a logical fallacy is still a logical fallacy regardless of how many people commit it or who commits it.

 

[illykitty]

I do agree wit this , both aiming innocent

my thread subject why the western blame us that we kill we each other extermists kill us , and they forget that they tracked the same path before (WW1, WW2 ) by the same way , which cost 60 millions of westerns died !!!

it's our bad that we did not get the lesson from them .

Problem is, when you use the term western, you're putting everyone in the same box. We are individuals and hold different ideas.

Maybe the media reflects one idea particularly and some people do swallow their message and I pity them for being foolish (and feel for Muslims having to deal with them) but personally I've never equated crimes done by terrorists to Muslims being bad.

My friend is probably one of the most loving, smilling and peaceful person I know and she's a Muslim, very much against any terrorism, regardless of who done it. And so am I. We're both "western".

I'd rather think of all of us being humans, all humans have done good and bad... If we ever had contact with aliens I wonder if we'd be proud or ashamed when we tell them about us (I'm more inclined towards the latter, unfortunately).

 

[Godobeyer]

Should I remind you of the Muslim conquests, Caliphate and why half of the world today is Muslim? Convert or die, what about the German SS squads made of Muslims? Stop making your selfs so innocent because the only people in this day and age who chop off ears and eat peoples hearts are done by Muslims, you people claim to be holly worriers but you hide behind women and children so stop with your nonsense, you are just as good as anyone else.

I don't blame you that you ask me these question , because i condemned these , , so that's "OUR " extremist mind of thinking and deeds.

this is one eye check in history .

How about the westerns extremists deeds in WW1 , and WW2 ?
Hitler (Nazi) and US Atomic bomb , or Vitenam , Iraq ...etc