What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

[LuisDantas]

Animals are created, aren't they not?

Created? In which sense?

Animals are just animals. They breed just like humans, albeit with a lot less control and awareness of their actions and the resulting consequences.

Shouldn't we worship the Originator?

Since you ask directly: No, we should not. That would be weird and pointless, since there is hardly any reason to even conceive of an Originator.

If you happen to meet any and he for some reason expects worship, feel free to tell him to talk with my secretary. When I have a gap in my schedule I may hear his requests.

 

[sovietchild]

Authority?

I thought we were talking about what is right and proper.

Authorities play no role in that.

I was chatting about what humans are capable of. And, I think they do have the potential to destroy or spoil this earth.

 

[LuisDantas]

I was chatting about what humans are capable of. And, I think they do have the potential to destroy or spoil this earth.

Yes, we do.

But what would that have to do with any authorities?

 

[sovietchild]

Yes, we do.

But what would that have to do with any authorities?

The authority over animals.

 

[LuisDantas]

The authority over animals.

No one has authority over animals.

 

[sovietchild]

No one has authority over animals.

Yes, we do. We eat them, we breed them and we modify them. We even build parks for them.

 

[Riders]

Yes, we do.

But what would that have to do with any authorities?

She was probably responding to me. She had said over and over that Humans have authority to do anything they wish with animals, including abusing them or whatever.
No humans don't because we have judges and animal rights people the ASPCA etc available, that if we do treat animals bad,they will be taken away from us.

Quite often,and actually in many national parks and certain hunting areas many animals are considered endangered species and we are not to hunt them or hurt them.
So the answer is no actually we do not have the authority to do whatever we want to animals no matter if its abuse or not.

 

[sovietchild]

She was probably responding to me. She had said over and over that Humans have authority to do anything they wish with animals, including abusing them or whatever.
No humans don't because we have judges and animal rights people the ASPCA etc available, that if we do treat animals bad,they will be taken away from us.

Quite often,and actually in many national parks and certain hunting areas many animals are considered endangered species and we are not to hunt them or hurt them.
So the answer is no actually we do not have the authority to do whatever we want to animals no matter if its abuse or not.

First of all, who is she? Second of all, we as one society have the authority over animals because we have the potential to kill them all.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, we do. We eat them, we breed them and we modify them. We even build parks for them.

What does that have to do with authority?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

This country the USA is so fat and unhealthy to the extreme, mostly because of animal products.

This seems wrong to me. I don't believe that a good majority of Americans are fat and unhealthy - I say a majority, not "we", because I am not fat and unhealthy - because of animal products. They're that way because of junk food. MEGA Gulp soda tubs (you can't call that giant thing a cup) and over-processed crap. I eat meat and animal products every single day, and have never had to worry about getting fat, diabetic, or unhealthy in any other way.

Our bodies are made to digest meat as well as plant. All this "meat is bad" BS seems to be just that to me - BS.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, we do. We eat them, we breed them and we modify them. We even build parks for them.

First of all, who is she? Second of all, we as one society have the authority over animals because we have the potential to kill them all.

This is what we call the "might makes right" argument, SC. It argues that the capability of doing something gives us the right to do it. It's an absurd argument, which justifies all sorts of injustice and exploitation of the weak by the strong.
So please explain what gives us the right to dominate and exploit animals, other than the fact that we can?

 

[Darkstorn]

So please explain what gives us the right to dominate and exploit animals, other than the fact that we can?

He's one of those people who think power is for those who have the strength to take it. He's an authoritarian. No doubt rooted in his past.

But again, the level of debate he's able to muster is only barely above kindergarten yard level... We eat animals, so we have authority over them! What about the animals who are more than capable of eating us if left to our own devices(i.e no crutches?)

And of course there's this underlying problem: We are animals. Primates specifically. Apes.

 

[Valjean]

The Nazis had a "potential to kill them all," and Americans once bred and "had authority over" blacks. Might-makes-right, right? People, at the time justified both situations with religious dogma.
I think Sovietchild's making essentially the same case.

 

[Riders]

This seems wrong to me. I don't believe that a good majority of Americans are fat and unhealthy - I say a majority, not "we", because I am not fat and unhealthy - because of animal products. They're that way because of junk food. MEGA Gulp soda tubs (you can't call that giant thing a cup) and over-processed crap. I eat meat and animal products every single day, and have never had to worry about getting fat, diabetic, or unhealthy in any other way.

Our bodies are made to digest meat as well as plant. All this "meat is bad" BS seems to be just that to me - BS.

oH NO you misunderstood or maybe I mis stated I eat meat too. If you eat chicken turkey and fish and lower fat meats then yes you can be healthy. Some people can eat what they want and not get fat but it doesn't mean they are healthy.

Obviously if you eat small amounts that's healthier.

However you are wrong about America not being fat actually, some statistics say about 60 percent of us are obese. But yes you can eat meat and be healthy. I eat meat. I eat chicken turkey and fish.

But meat is an over all problem , its part of the problem with obesity, I may have over exaggerated, I get emotional when I talk about obesity.

Eating too much meat is a part of the big picture along with sugar addiction which is my big problem, salt addiction, fastfood addiction which are all issues with me, and also sedentary lifestyle, with no exrcise these days.

All of these things are a part of the problem, but I honestly have heard to tell the truth health experts talking about on tv animal fat being a big part of Americas fat problem because manufactures of food add fat to everything, fat is what makes us addicted so well buy too much food, its in a lot of stuff. Its a big issue, its not the only issue but its big. Also bad meats like sausage pepperoni stuff on pizza those are unhealthy meats.......

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

you are wrong about America not being fat

I did say that there are a good portion of Americans who are fat; I believe the problem to be unhealthy diets and sedentary lifestyles, though.

you can eat meat and be healthy. I eat meat. I eat chicken turkey and fish.

I'm talking red meat; for some reason fish and poultry isn't considered "meat."

But meat is an over all problem, its part of the problem with obesity

As you indicate, fats are the problem with obesity; too many unhealthy fats from meats like pepperoni, sausage, bacon and fried foods are bad. Not meat itself; if you eat lean meats (and don't sit around all day) it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

 

[Kirran]

Muhammad was big on caring for at least some domestic animals. There are ahadith about his consideration for his cat Muezza, for example. In this, at the least, I think we should follow his example, in particular those of us who claim to model their lives on his.

 

[sovietchild]

He's one of those people who think power is for those who have the strength to take it. He's an authoritarian. No doubt rooted in his past.

But again, the level of debate he's able to muster is only barely above kindergarten yard level... We eat animals, so we have authority over them! What about the animals who are more than capable of eating us if left to our own devices(i.e no crutches?)

And of course there's this underlying problem: We are animals. Primates specifically. Apes.

Do you feel threatened by this topic? Is that why you're targeting me and seeking to undermine my intelligence?

 

[Darkstorn]

Do you feel threatened by this topic? Is that why you're targeting me and seeking to undermine my intelligence?

It's you who feels threatened. I'm targeting and undermining your argument, and you are not defending your position. Why don't you answer my question: It's you who's going on about authority and my post is one of those countering that argument. Instead of defending yourself, you're trying to imagine a new reality into existence, where your inane unsubstantial arguments are somehow threatening.

Your arguments are not threatening. Like i said: They aren't strong enough to stand by their own merits, without others having to reply to them even. Your reasoning is kindergarten level at best. And your whole issue is once again directed at a religion other than your own. Why do you feel so threatened?

 

[Riders]

Get a grip Soviet, aren't you trying to speak for Christians Muslims and Jews here. Usually When a Christian Muslim or Jew has a thread up debating Paganism all their Brothers and sisters join into defend them and debate and fight them

Take this advce its for your own good,

Open your eyes, nobody is here for you because nobody agrees with you,infact I have as of yet to even figure out what you thread is even about nobody else knows either.

Do your Mono theist Christian brothers and sisters a big favor and take a break from this thread, regroup and come up with a different smarter more thought out debate.You making a fool of your Bothers and sisters and the Christian religion nd your embarrassing everyone including yourself.

I honestly don't believe for a second that even you know what your trying to say and accomplish here.


I'm kind of slow too,I'm dyslexic and I've had
folks abandon my thread some have been bad its no shame , and some have complained about my bad spelling as well, in which I now ask for the words I have spelled wrong.

So I'm not even really being superior here, I'm kind of slow I have not been great with my thread either. But I have noticed that when I post in sections like relationships, sex and diet and , those types of topics I get a lot better response from and I am making it goal to post less in religion because my posts are not that great in religion either.

I think it would be wise for you to reconsider your posts too. I'm saying that for your own good hun. Looks like your sentences aren't making a lot of sense here. Your Christian Muslim and Jewish bothers and sisters are embarrassed by this thread, its embarrassing for them.

I'm aware that you'll probably just start screaming at me and throwing a fit at me here. But all your doing is embarrassing Christians. Stop rethink regroup, take a break from this thread and do something different so le can participate.

Congratulations all you've done here is made a fool of yourself, everyone is laughing their as8 off at you wise up be smart.

 

[sovietchild]

It's you who feels threatened. I'm targeting and undermining your argument, and you are not defending your position. Why don't you answer my question: It's you who's going on about authority and my post is one of those countering that argument. Instead of defending yourself, you're trying to imagine a new reality into existence, where your inane unsubstantial arguments are somehow threatening.

Your arguments are not threatening. Like i said: They aren't strong enough to stand by their own merits, without others having to reply to them even. Your reasoning is kindergarten level at best. And your whole issue is once again directed at a religion other than your own. Why do you feel so threatened?

Do you have any animals? Any small dogs, or birds in cages?