What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

[Valjean]

What's wrong with those who worship invisible persons in the sky, with no evidence of their actual existence?

 

[Jainarayan]

Any buddy who worships an animal. You just have to trust me in this, there is people who apparently worships them as they were some kind of a deity. They even decorate them as if they were on the same level as humans.

Give a specific example. I can't respond to something as vague as "You just have to trust me in this, there is people who apparently worships them". That's not how you debate. There is nothing to debate.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Apparently, there is people who worship animals. Yes, animals. Who are way lower in rank then a human.

This is a completely incorrect statement - your perspective is broken and you should work at fixing it.

Try this:

You are swimming in the ocean, cut your leg on some coral, and then some people near you start yelling "Shark!" as you see a fin quickly approaching you. Which of the two beings (i.e. animals) in this equation is the "lower rank?" The shark, or you? Now answer this: which do you think the shark believes of itself, that he is of "lower" or "higher" rank than you, the sucker pissing his shorts in the water? Or maybe the shark doesn't even contemplate your existence outside of the desire to fill his stomach. If you truly "outranked" the shark, then don't you think even the shark would have to recognize it? But guess what? He still eats you. What is your "rank" when you become shark poo?

 

[Jainarayan]

What kind of potential do animals posses? It will probably take them millions of years to get to where we are.

Harness a human to a plow and see how much he can accomplish compared to an ox harnessed to the same plow. The yield of the land plowed by the ox and value of the crop will be far greater than what was done by the human pulling the plow. Can a human run as fast as a horse? Can a human carry another human and run as fast as a horse? Yes, animals are still used in this way today.

 

[sovietchild]

Can a human run as fast as a horse?

Technically, yes. We humans can travel at around 25,000 miles per hour.

Can animals do that?

What's wrong with those who worship invisible persons in the sky, with no evidence of their actual existence?

This is not what this topic is about, let's concentrate on the real subject.

1. Humans are animals, as has been stated already in this thread.
2. It is humans who impose "ranks" onto nature. They are not intrinsic to it. In other words, calling some such organism of higher "rank" than another is purely some human's opinion.
3. It is well-known to those who study the relevant sciences (for example, ecology) that the biosphere is highly interconnected and interdependent. The "great chain of being" is not supported by the sciences.

In. Your. Opinion.

If you want to put humans on a pedestal, you are certainly free to such a value system. You'll have plenty of company, as anthropocentrism is nauseatingly common. To those who put humans on a pedestal, it is foolish to ignore the pedestal itself. After all, you depend on that pedestal for your self-described lofty position. Without it, you fall. So who is really "higher" here?

What exactly are you trying say? Are you trying to say we humans are on the same level as animals?

Do you eat meat?

 

[Valjean]

Technically, yes. We humans can travel at around 25,000 miles per hour.

Can animals do that?

You're equating technology with existential value.
Human technology threatens to destroy both ourselves and the whole ecosystem. Wouldn't that fact give us a negative value?

Animals can fly, they can breathe water, they can see, swim and run better than humans. These are natural abilities. Don't they count?

I think the more important issue is moral consideration. Are humans morally superior to animals? Do they have a claim to moral consideration? Do we have a right to exploit them?

 

[IMeanNoOffence]

Apparently, there are people who worship animals. Yes, animals. Who are way lower in rank then a human. They are not allowed to eat those animals nor kill them. And, if one were to eat that animal, the society would put them in jail, or even kill them. The society treats those animals like some kind of a deity. They even install shelters for them to live in. What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

Humans have much more authority of animals. Why would they devalue themselves, and respect those animals like they are higher in-rank then a human? A human can engineer an animal, an animal on other hand can not engineer a human. In that case, an animal should worship the human not the other way around. Don’t you agree?

Owning an animal like a goat for example, represents wealth. Can there be a link between worshiping wealth and worshiping an animal?

Well worshipping an animal is like worshipping a god, stay with me on this one, there isn't any evidence of God's existence, although we still blindly believe there is a divine being more powerful than anything that has ever existed, they worship animals as we worship our God, they have FAITH

 

[sovietchild]

You're equating technology with existential value.
Human technology threatens to destroy both ourselves and the whole ecosystem. Wouldn't that fact give us a negative value?

What are you trying to say? Technology owns us? I don't think so, because we create the technology, the technology does not create us.

 

[sovietchild]

Well worshipping an animal is like worshipping a god, stay with me on this one, there isn't any evidence of God's existence, although we still blindly believe there is a divine being more powerful than anything that has ever existed, they worship animals as we worship our God, they have FAITH

What kind of a faith is worshiping something that is much lower in rank? To me, it's like worshiping a Satan, because we humans are much higher in-rank then Satan.

 

[Jainarayan]

Technically, yes. We humans can travel at around 25,000 miles per hour.

On what planet?

I said run.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Why worship something that we own?

Why not? People will be people no matter the age, they always need some way to occupy themselves and kill one another. If they can do both of those things while their focus is on something that isn't invisible, why that's all the better. It's pretty much smashing three birds to death with one stupid looking rock.

Ingenious, I know.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I thought humans can control fire.

You thought wrong. We hardly control fire in the slightest, elsewise a house would never burn down.

 

[Mark Dohle]

Unless you are a member of the religion or sect of those who you say 'worship' animals, you really can't say much. I am catholic, I on many occasions have been accosted for 'worshipping' saints, and Mary, and yes, Idols....which is absurd, yet I have given up trying to convince others.

Also, Hinduism is really many different sects and philosophies, they are not polygamist, the so called Gods are immanations from Brahman, they are from the one source. Of course, this is very simplistic. As an outsider, I can never really know about their faith, even though I have studied and read up on it and have visited their temples here in Atlanta.

 

[SomeRandom]

What's wrong with people who abuse God's creation? Do they not respect what He has given to us?

If I were God and created humans and animals and then those humans went on to kill or harm animals, I would be most affronted. I mean those humans aren't gods, so what gives them the right to do such things?

Might means right? Yeah? So if a tiger eats you, as man eating tigers and lions have existed in the past and still do, would that mean that said tiger outranks you?
Humans are killed all the time by other animals. It seems your so called authority is useless.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

Apparently, there are people who worship animals. Yes, animals. Who are way lower in rank then a human. They are not allowed to eat those animals nor kill them. And, if one were to eat that animal, the society would put them in jail, or even kill them. The society treats those animals like some kind of a deity. They even install shelters for them to live in. What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

Humans have much more authority of animals. Why would they devalue themselves, and respect those animals like they are higher in-rank then a human? A human can engineer an animal, an animal on other hand can not engineer a human. In that case, an animal should worship the human not the other way around. Don’t you agree?

Owning an animal like a goat for example, represents wealth. Can there be a link between worshiping wealth and worshiping an animal?

You do know that humans are actually animals, and I can say the same thing about you humans being in lower ranks than dragons because you do not know magic, nor do you have the ability to reform your body after death Saying that kind of stuff is just ignorant.

 

[TheTruthGivingDragon]

There is nothing wrong with putting faith in others, after all even if I claim that dragons are not animals, they still are. It is the same for when you humans say that they are not animals but yet you still are.

 

[Aupmanyav]

How so? Don't you believe in the future human will be able to control tornadoes.

What else are you going to control? Floods, Melting of glaciers and polar ice, Desertification of regions, Earth quakes, Tsunamis, Volcanoes, Meteor strikes? Baja California is breaking away from USA, is there a way that could be denied?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

What kind of a faith is worshiping something that is much lower in rank? To me, it's like worshiping a Satan, because we humans are much higher in-rank then Satan.

No we're not. By the mythology, that is exactly why Satan rebelled in the first place; because the angels were required to bow down before humans, and he would not bow to a lesser being.

Congrats, you're Satan.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Again with the dishonest representation of other religions. I assume you're talking about Hinduism, where cows are venerated (but not worshiped). As odd as it may seem to the rest of us, it's still far, far more respectable than venerating some disgusting pedophile.

On certain days we do worship cows (all that around Diwali, Govardhan), snakes (Naga Panchami); and in Nepal, Crows (Kak Tihar) and dogs (Kukur Tihar). The believers think that by holding the tail of a cow they will cross the 'Vaitarani' river and reach heaven.

Temple where rats rule, Deshnoke.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Technically, yes. We humans can travel at around 25,000 miles per hour. Can animals do that?
Do you eat meat?

They have no compelling reason to do that. And humans are doing it for fun. They are not going to go any further than Mars, and that too for experimental purposes.
Sure, yes. Our books say "Jeevo jeevasya bhojanam' (one living thing is food for another, that includes vegetation also). It is happening everywhere in the world.