What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

[YmirGF]

Apparently, there are people who worship animals. Yes, animals. Who are way lower in rank then a human. They are not allowed to eat those animals nor kill them. And, if one were to eat that animal, the society would put them in jail, or even kill them. The society treats those animals like some kind of a deity. They even install shelters for them to live in. What’s wrong with those people who worship animals?

Humans have much more authority of animals. Why would they devalue themselves, and respect those animals like they are higher in-rank then a human? A human can engineer an animal, an animal on other hand can not engineer a human. In that case, an animal should worship the human not the other way around. Don’t you agree?

Owning an animal like a goat for example, represents wealth. Can there be a link between worshiping wealth and worshiping an animal?

And some Muslims wonder why so many non-Muslims have a dim view of Islam. Your posts are clear evidence as to the why.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

And some Muslims wonder why so many non-Muslims have a dim view of Islam. Your posts are clear evidence as to the why.

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[SomeRandom]

Let's not blame it on the humans, shall we? They say Mars used to have oceans. Our earth is going to die no matter what, and animals, well we can store their DNA and recreate them on a different planet if we really wanted to.

Not that simple.

Football player for example, one can cost 10 million another one can cost 100 million, why? Because the skill and potential one possess. What kind of potential do animals posses? It will probably take them millions of years to get to where we are.

Really kicking a ball around a field? That's worthwhile is it? Seems inane and pointless to me. (And bear in mind I actually like to watch my footy and I do respect football players as talented athletes.) In reality that money also goes a long way to compensate players and their families for the lifetime of injuries, potential disabilities and even death the sport can get them. So no, they're not actually worth that much money, though I do not object. They just happen to have really good legal advocates and greedy money grubbing bosses. You know when sport was starting up, players were paid peanuts. It used to be unthinkable to make a living playing a sport. Any sport. Same with acting back in the day. They were nothing but idiot performing monkeys. Now they live luxuriously in mansions.
Besides we pay millions of dollars to worthless idiots all the time. It doesn't make them actually worth that much. I consider a Doctor saving lives in war torn/poor regions worth 10 times as much as any football player or millionaire moron rapper. Doesn't mean they get that much money though. Says more about society really. I mean, the oh so wonderful humans, pay millions towards idiotic leisures that do not impact the world in any real meaningful way. But the people who actually do worthwhile endeavors, saving lives, performing actual scientific breakthroughs, they're brushed aside by the idiot populace. Pfft, that's your so called worthy species? Good lord, God must be up in heaven trying to figure out what he did wrong with us. Pathetic.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Football player for example, one can cost 10 million another one can cost 100 million, why? Because the skill and potential one possess. What kind of potential do animals posses? It will probably take them millions of years to get to where we are.

Put a few hungry tigers on that football field. How interested do you think those athletes would remain in the money they were getting paid to play?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Who are way lower in rank then a human.

Humans decided humans are higher in rank, and yet even something as questionably alive as a virus can take us out, so I guess we're not all that, are we?

They are not allowed to eat those animals nor kill them.

You're serious? Your religion has strict dietary bans and you're dissing another religion's?

They even install shelters for them to live in.

OMG ... "they weren't cruel to animals"! THE HORROR!

Humans have much more authority of animals.

Most domesticated animals clearly have their human owners more trained than vice versa

Why would they devalue themselves, and respect those animals like they are higher in-rank then a human?

Can you do the things non humans can? Are you as fast as a peregrine falcon? Are you as long lived as a tortoise? Are you as strong as a bear? Are you as versatile as a raccoon? No? Then they pwn you, for realz.

You just have to trust me in this, there is people who apparently worships them as they were some kind of a deity. They even decorate them as if they were on the same level as humans.

Yahweh was just a storm god or a sea god or something. Essentially the God you worship used to be a cloud with face put on it.

What's wrong with people worshipping a cloud?

Ya'll, I say we just start ignoring it. There's never any progressive discussion in any of these.

Just this one more ...

Is that so? You should probably denounce those unfortunate events. Where and when are they happening?

And why aren't they denouncing countries where just criticizing Allah can get you executed?

Humans have an authority to destroy anything on this planet

You confuse ability with authority.

do animals have an authority to destroy anything on this planet? Probably not. So, that means human have much higher rank then any animal on this planet.

The ability to commit genocide equals authority to you? Sad ...

There are global plagues caused by something so small you can't even see. Now who's on top?

 

[Valjean]

What are you trying to say? Technology owns us? I don't think so, because we create the technology, the technology does not create us.

I'm trying to say our cleverness does not make us more valuable or higher in rank than animals. It just makes us dangerous, both to ourselves and all life on Earth. Are you saying the harmful rank higher than the beneficial?

Animals, plants, &al contribute to the ecosystem (do you understand the concept of an ecosystem?), they are beneficial to the whole.
Humans damage the ecosystem, we are deleterious; an infectious agent. It's our cleverness that gives us this ability.

No, technology did not create us, but neither is there any evidence that we were created magically, by an undetectable God. We were created by Nature -- the very Nature we are now destroying, the Nature we're "in rebellion against," if you will.

What kind of a faith is worshiping something that is much lower in rank? To me, it's like worshiping a Satan, because we humans are much higher in-rank then Satan.

But what gives us this rank? You seem to think it's our cleverness, but doesn't using cleverness for evil make us a kind of Satan? Doesn't it lower our rank?

 

[syo]

Who are way lower in rank then a human

that's not true. can you imagine a world filled with humans alone and no animals? it would be ugly.

 

[Quintessence]

What exactly are you trying say? Are you trying to say we humans are on the same level as animals?

Mostly what I want to get across is that assessing one thing as "more valuable" or "higher" than some other thing is a subjective exercise and is a matter of personal opinion, if one makes such assessments at all (and one doesn't have to). When you claim humans are "higher rank" than other animals, that's your personal opinion and you hold to that assessment for particular reasons. Others may not hold the perspective you do, and they have reasons for their assessments too. I was listing out some of the things that may lead someone to make a different assessment about the value of other animals than yourself.

But to more directly answer the question, as I've been suggesting, I'm not a hierarchical thinker. The question isn't really applicable because I don't perceive there to be "levels" in the first place. I honor the blessings and banes of all things on their own merits rather than making everything some sort of contest.

Do you eat meat?

I'm not sure how that is relevant. Animistic cultures are not, by and large, vegetarian. Humans, not being autotrophs, have to kill others to live one way or another. Honoring the necessary sacrifice of others tends to be a pretty big facet of animistic practices.

 

[sovietchild]

On what planet?

I said run.

In that case, people have potential to build themselves a robotic buddy and run as fast as a horse, but then again, why run when one have a potential to build themselves a robotic flying suit?

Put a few hungry tigers on that football field. How interested do you think those athletes would remain in the money they were getting paid to play?

One should look into those videos on YouTube, where people chase lions with sticks.

You're serious? Your religion has strict dietary bans and you're dissing another religion's?

Why? Is it because those dietary are bad for ones health? If not, why exactly do they ban them?

Can you do the things non humans can? Are you as fast as a peregrine falcon? Are you as long lived as a tortoise? Are you as strong as a bear? Are you as versatile as a raccoon? No? Then they pwn you, for realz.

Yes, people have the potential to do what any animal able to do. Do animals have the potential to be humans? Probably so, in many many years, by then the earth could be destroyed.

Yahweh was just a storm god or a sea god or something. Essentially the God you worship used to be a cloud with face put on it.

What's wrong with people worshipping a cloud?

That's not what I'm talking about, let's concentrate on the real subject.

But what gives us this rank?

Knowledge, skill, and potential.

I'm trying to say our cleverness does not make us more valuable or higher in rank than animals. It just makes us dangerous, both to ourselves and all life on Earth. Are you saying the harmful rank higher than the beneficial?

See, you might see humans a harmful, while another one might see animals as harmful. Both can be beneficial and harmful.

 

[sovietchild]

This is a completely incorrect statement - your perspective is broken and you should work at fixing it.

Try this:

You are swimming in the ocean, cut your leg on some coral, and then some people near you start yelling "Shark!" as you see a fin quickly approaching you. Which of the two beings (i.e. animals) in this equation is the "lower rank?" The shark, or you? Now answer this: which do you think the shark believes of itself, that he is of "lower" or "higher" rank than you, the sucker pissing his shorts in the water? Or maybe the shark doesn't even contemplate your existence outside of the desire to fill his stomach. If you truly "outranked" the shark, then don't you think even the shark would have to recognize it? But guess what? He still eats you. What is your "rank" when you become shark poo?

Humans know how to swim with sharks, just like in Africa, people know how to chase lions.

 

[sovietchild]

Mostly what I want to get across is that assessing one thing as "more valuable" or "higher" than some other thing is a subjective exercise and is a matter of personal opinion, if one makes such assessments at all (and one doesn't have to). When you claim humans are "higher rank" than other animals, that's your personal opinion and you hold to that assessment for particular reasons. Others may not hold the perspective you do, and they have reasons for their assessments too. I was listing out some of the things that may lead someone to make a different assessment about the value of other animals than yourself.

But to more directly answer the question, as I've been suggesting, I'm not a hierarchical thinker. The question isn't really applicable because I don't perceive there to be "levels" in the first place. I honor the blessings and banes of all things on their own merits rather than making everything some sort of contest.



I'm not sure how that is relevant. Animistic cultures are not, by and large, vegetarian. Humans, not being autotrophs, have to kill others to live one way or another. Honoring the necessary sacrifice of others tends to be a pretty big facet of animistic practices.

We people harvest animals, animals don't harvest us. We raise them, they don't raise us. They are like babies compare to us. Why worship them? Just feed them, and they will love you.

 

[sovietchild]

And some Muslims wonder why so many non-Muslims have a dim view of Islam. Your posts are clear evidence as to the why.

This is not what this topic is all about, let's concentrate on the real subject. I don't think you expressed your opinion. What is your take on the subject?

What is wrong with those people who worship animals?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Humans know how to swim with sharks, just like in Africa, people know how to chase lions.

Humans "know how to swim with sharks" when they have food to offer, and the humans aren't bleeding themselves - and even then, most often, cages are used. Yes, sharks, like most other animals, are fairly docile unless provoked, or are in need. Why do I have to explain any of this to you? Because you want to harbor ridiculous notions about "how much better" you are than any animal? It's foolishness. You should read this:

Worst shark attack

Hundreds of soldiers stranded in the water for days on end when their ship was struck by enemy torpedos. The sharks started showing up the morning after the attack and just milled about for a bit. As they began to understand that the humans they were swimming around weren't a big threat, they started taking bites. "HUMANS KNOW HOW TO SWIM WITH SHARKS." Are you seriously even trying when you make statements like this?

Oh, and ask the Africans if they just casually hang around lions. Do you seriously think they don't fear the creatures out of genuine respect? Yes, so what, we figured out how we can try and protect ourselves from lions - because make no mistake WE NEED PROTECTION. We, as a species, are one of the most physically ill-adapted to surviving on Earth. Can't run quickly, can't withstand extreme cold, can't dig, can't fly, almost no way to attack or defend, can't smell worth a damn, many of us can't see to save our lives. We're soft, weak, slow, naked. The only thing we have going for us is the use of our intelligence - and even that isn't entirely ours, because a huge chunk of our knowledge and the comforts we enjoy as "methods of survival" now were passed on to us by the generations and generations of people who came before us and figured everything out so we wouldn't have to.

Get down off your high horse. Actually... just realize that your "high horse" is completely imaginary and stop running around pretending to ride. You are no better than any animal. Maybe you are to other humans... but nothing else recognizes you as such, and you need to realize that.

 

[sovietchild]

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Hundreds of soldiers stranded in the water for days on end when their ship was struck by enemy torpedos. The sharks started showing up the morning after the attack and just milled about for a bit. As they began to understand that the humans they were swimming around weren't a big threat, they started taking bites. "HUMANS KNOW HOW TO SWIM WITH SHARKS." Are you seriously even trying when you make statements like this?

We humans eat them for dinner too. Statistically, we eat them a lot more then they eat us.

We're soft, weak, slow, naked.

If you think you're bad, there is always some buddy who is much worst then you are. We can build walls, we are not that soft. We can build the twin towers and destroy them, we are no that weak. We are the fastest species on this planet, not including space aliens of course. We dress our selves up, we are not naked like animals (babies).

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

We humans eat them for dinner too. Statistically, we eat them a lot more then they eat us.

Okay... go eat one then. I dare you. Get out there, jump in the water, find yourself a shark and eat it. Can't do that? Why not? I thought you were INTRINSICALLY superior? What? You need a fishing line and a sturdy pole? You need an entire boat? Did YOU make all those things? Oh... I see... no... you bought or rented them from someone else who made them... based on plans and attempts their ancestors made to do the same. So... wait... what abilities is it you possess again? 'Cause I'm not seeing much...

If you think you're bad, there is always some buddy who is much worst then you are. We can build walls, we are not that soft. We can build the twin towers and destroy them, we are no that weak. We are the fastest species on this planet, not including space aliens of course. We dress our selves up, we are not naked like animals (babies).

We HAVE TO build walls because we (even if only secretly) fully recognize our weakness. Same reason we wear clothes! A keen understanding of our weakness. And take away all of the things that others have made for you to make you protected, make you "fast", make you "strong"... and what's left? What are YOU? Is the "you" that is left with no modern implements better than a bear? Could you defeat a bear given nothing but your bare hands vs. his bear hands? Not even close.

I hope, for your sake, that you never come to a place where you are without the help of all your man-made implements to get you by in this world. The way you talk, it is 100% apparent that you simply wouldn't make it very long. At all.

 

[sovietchild]

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Okay... go eat one then. I dare you. Get out there, jump in the water, find yourself a shark and eat it. Can't do that? Why not? I thought you were INTRINSICALLY superior? What? You need a fishing line and a sturdy pole? You need an entire boat? Did YOU make all those things? Oh... I see... no... you bought or rented them from someone else who made them... based on plans and attempts their ancestors made to do the same. So... wait... what abilities is it you possess again? 'Cause I'm not seeing much...

People dive with spears and shoot them. And, then they sell them on the market. Do sharks have a market?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

People dive with spears and shoot them. And, then they sell them on the market. Do sharks have a market?

And what I have been trying to say is that using spears is CHEATING. A spear is not part of YOU. Animals only make do with what they are, what they have available to them, their body. The moment you pick up a tool to help you defeat them is TAKING ADVANTAGE. It isn't "right" it isn't "honorable" and it certainly doesn't make you better.

Look at it this way - let's say you are swimming in your swimming pool, unaware as I dive into the water with a spear gun and shoot and kill you with the spear. Did taking that action make me suddenly superior to you? Oh... maybe if I then sell you on a market - would that do the trick?

 

[sovietchild]

And what I have been trying to say is that using spears is CHEATING. A spear is not part of YOU. Animals only make do with what they are, what they have available to them, their body. The moment you pick up a tool to help you defeat them is TAKING ADVANTAGE. It isn't "right" it isn't "honorable" and it certainly doesn't make you better.

Look at it this way - let's say you are swimming in your swimming pool, unaware as I dive into the water with a spear gun and shoot and kill you with the spear. Did taking that action make me suddenly superior to you? Oh... maybe if I then sell you on a market - would that do the trick?

Cheating? Is there a such a thing as cheating in the animal world? I mean, how can a pack of wolves not be an advantage?

 

[Jainarayan]

In that case, people have potential to build themselves a robotic buddy and run as fast as a horse, but then again, why run when one have a potential to build themselves a robotic flying suit?

Stay on topic.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Cheating? Is there a such a thing as cheating in the animal world? I mean, how can a pack of wolves not be an advantage?

You're completely right... "cheating" is a human concept. Which is why it is our responsibility to understand when it is occurring.