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What are Americans?

Alceste

Vagabond
For a long time the descendants of the British have held the upper hand in most of American society. And American society has shared most of the traits and beliefs of those first comers.

Suspicion of central Government
A preference for fundamental Christian religions
A belief in individualism.
A fear of the power of collective responsibility.
The need for personal defence.
A desire for universal social mobility through wealth and power.
a fear of the highly educated and the academic.
The belief that charity is local.
A tendency to prefer anarchy over fedral governance.
Almost no empathy toward the criminal or underdog.
No empathy or respect for the wishes and rights for the people of other nations.

Where other European peoples have a majority or large influence, Those differences are emphasised beyond what one might expect.

Americans abroad are instanty recognisable by their conversation.
If they seem reasonable we think them Canadians.

When I was in Ireland, people sometimes heard my accent and asked "what part of America are you from?" I'd answer "same as the part of the British Isles you're from". Fastest way to **** off an Irishman.
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
I think you are right, and I would like to ask a related question: How would a nation of immigrants from diverse backgrounds and countries be encouraged to achieve solidarity and mutual responsibility?

Turn off the Telly and go talk to some homeless people.
 

Alceste

Vagabond

Seriously, if you ever meet somebody from Ireland, find a way to lump Ireland together with the UK and watch them freak out. It's hilarious. I discovered this Irish Achilles heel after an Irish boyfriend told me he thought Canadians and Americans are basically the same. I said, "yeah, that's how a lot of people on this side of the pond feel about the Irish and the English".
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Americans are the world's foremost consumers. Maybe that's one of the few things that is almost universally true of Americans.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
When I was in Ireland, people sometimes heard my accent and asked "what part of America are you from?" I'd answer "same as the part of the British Isles you're from". Fastest way to **** off an Irishman.

:biglaugh: BRILLIANT!

:clover:
 

I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
Seriously, if you ever meet somebody from Ireland, find a way to lump Ireland together with the UK and watch them freak out. It's hilarious. I discovered this Irish Achilles heel after an Irish boyfriend told me he thought Canadians and Americans are basically the same. I said, "yeah, that's how a lot of people on this side of the pond feel about the Irish and the English".

Lol trust me I know. I had a boss off the boat from Ireland who absolutely HATES Brits. I used to call him British all the time just to get a reaction from him.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
The most difficult to understand are the Northern Irish, proud to be British, wrapped in the British flag, hurling lumps of paving slab at British police, in the name of British patriotism.

As I understand it, the Orangemen each year deliberately target Catholic neighborhoods to march through, presumably to rub their military victory of the Battle of the Boyne fought in 1690 into their noses. This has been the cause of violence, much of it having occurred in the 1990's, but the hatred and animosity apparently remains. If only the Catholics got hip and began to toss flowers at the feet of the Orangemen and applaud as they pass instead, things might be different. :D
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
When I was in Ireland, people sometimes heard my accent and asked "what part of America are you from?" I'd answer "same as the part of the British Isles you're from". Fastest way to **** off an Irishman.
I've had the exact opposite happen to me when I was in South Africa. Soon as they heard me talk, people automatically knew somehow I was not just form California, but Southern California. Maybe it was my lingo, since to my knowledge Southern Californians do not have a distinct accent. Of course this was then almost routinely followed up by each person with, "what movie stars do you see on a daily basis." They were also shocked to learn that I lived in an apartment and not a mansions. They did not think we had apartments or any poor neighborhoods, no joke. Oddly enough, I don't have to leave the US to have the same thing happen, a lot of people in my own country from other states think the same way.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've had the exact opposite happen to me when I was in South Africa. Soon as they heard me talk, people automatically knew somehow I was not just form California, but Southern California. Maybe it was my lingo, since to my knowledge Southern Californians do not have a distinct accent. Of course this was then almost routinely followed up by each person with, "what movie stars do you see on a daily basis." They were also shocked to learn that I lived in an apartment and not a mansions. They did not think we had apartments or any poor neighborhoods, no joke. Oddly enough, I don't have to leave the US to have the same thing happen, a lot of people in my own country from other states think the same way.
They'd not notice so quickly if you stopped calling every one "dude", or saying "I pity the fool!".
Also, ensure that you don't sound like this....
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Ew with Jimmy Fallon and Channing Tatum - YouTube
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
They'd not notice so quickly if you stopped calling every one "dude", or saying "I pity the fool!".
Also, ensure that you don't sound like this....
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Ew with Jimmy Fallon and Channing Tatum - YouTube
It probably is the "dude" thing. I didn't realize it was so engrained in my vocabulary until I listened to myself talk recently. "Dude" this and "dude" that. :eek: I don't think I sound like a Valley Girl, Sunstone and Mystic have talked to me on the phone, so they can attest to that I hope. :p

The only time I yell, "I pity the fool!!!" is when I'm flexing in front of the mirror in my underwear.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I've had the exact opposite happen to me when I was in South Africa. Soon as they heard me talk, people automatically knew somehow I was not just form California, but Southern California. Maybe it was my lingo, since to my knowledge Southern Californians do not have a distinct accent. Of course this was then almost routinely followed up by each person with, "what movie stars do you see on a daily basis." They were also shocked to learn that I lived in an apartment and not a mansions. They did not think we had apartments or any poor neighborhoods, no joke. Oddly enough, I don't have to leave the US to have the same thing happen, a lot of people in my own country from other states think the same way.

Oh, stop your lying! My brother and I were in Southern California just last year. We toured Beverly Hills and didn't see even a single poor neighborhood. I'm shocked you would misrepresent the realities of your home turf in such an outrageous manner!
 

ryobi

Member
If you're in a foreign country, and you meet an American abroad, chances are they are wealthy. Therefore, you're meeting someone who is wealthy as much as you are meeting an American.

Being an American and having lived in foreign countries, for all the bad attributes American's may have, one thing I like is Americans value individuality more than any country I have been to. As an individual, I'm not sure I could live anywhere else.
 
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Deva758

Member
The values are independence, individuality, pride, the protestant work ethic, materialism, "the prosperity gospel", strange cults (California), friendly and polite (the South), rude (the North), great poverty a mile away from great wealth (just visit Miami). The whole idea of manifest destiny still permeates. Religion is mixed with an almost mystical love of country. Even if not religious, as a whole Americans think they have the greatest country on earth-

Yes, I know there are exceptions.
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
Oh, stop your lying! My brother and I were in Southern California just last year. We toured Beverly Hills and didn't see even a single poor neighborhood. I'm shocked you would misrepresent the realities of your home turf in such an outrageous manner!
What's that? Sorry, I couldn't hear you, I just came back from the gym and was rubbing my sore spots with $100 bills to make them feel better.
 
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To own possess of many things that are worth it’s weight in gold so as to speak is not so much of a bad thing, it is the manner in which they are gotten that makes the difference, I think you will find that the indigenous red Indian of America requires the back payment longer over due on sacred ground now built on , they are few people of different colours some follow the red Indian warrior theology, I quote; it is said that the father and mother of the white sons and daughters looked on in disbelief as their children adapted the red Indian ways their parents had long forgotten nor could understand.. What is an America mmmm? That for me is not a question easily answered in social terminologies when thinking in complete facts, were you aware of the Indian wars which lasted sixty years,? that is the name entitled to the indigenous American Indian wars fought against the settlers. Pilgrim and colonialists , a sixty year war, that is longer than the Great War, The Second World War, the Crimean War, the Boar Wars, the Mexican American War, The Wars Against the Manifest Destiny (which took part in America) and the Napoleonic war and the Spanish Civil war, in effect one of the worst genocides following an even worst aftermath treatment to indigenous Indian of America you could not possible imagine except within the parameters of WWII and certain other wars, so what is an American, do you could what the blood stained inheritance warrants any thought? I never blame the son for the father however there are still many unsettling question concerns, MMMM?
 
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