What are the best and worst things about heaven?

[IndigoChild5559]

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death

Everyone dies, whether they have sinned or not. There are plenty of newborn babies who have never sinned who die. Death has been around as long as life has been around. It's just part of the natural way of things.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

the promise made was for eternal life . for those now dead to live again to also be given the opportunity for eternal life. you have been told. judgement can now come to you .you should of listened

In my opinion, you should save your scare tactics for those who are willing to accept your personal beliefs. However, I'm not one of those people. As far as I am concerned, your threats are as meaningless as if I told you that the Norse god Odin will judge you in the afterlife and then told you that you've been warned. I'm sure you wouldn't think twice about my threats, just as I don't think twice about yours. Frankly, I see yours as judgmental and pointless rhetoric.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What are the best and worst things about heaven?
I’ll start. There are a lot more things but these are my top 5.

Best things about heaven: ..
Worst things about heaven: ..

You need to establish he existence of God, souls and heaven first. Do animals not have the so-called soul? What about your cats?

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. expecting more (within the context of not being satisfied with what one has)?

1. You are not satisfied with the world as it is (you have many personal and non-personal complaints with God). 2. You want to live eternally. 3. You want to live (after death) in a world where there is no friction and every one is reading writings of a 19th Century uneducated Iranian.

I believe I was in Heaven before coming to this life.

For beliefs, you can believe that you are coordinating world affairs with FSM.

So will you.

There is a difference. I believe if there is evidence. You believe even if there is no evidence. I do not believe that any God dispatches fairies to alert a person that he had been made an avatara of Allah (manifestation) as the 19th Century uneducated Iranian claimed.

I always wonder as to why the Abrahamic God chooses only uneducated people to carry his messages. Jesus did not know anything beyond torah, Muhammad did not know anything beyond Torah and Bible, and Bahaollah and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not know anything beyond Torah, Bible and Qur'an.

 

[flowerpower]

Heaven and hell are places on earth; human states of mind.

The best and worst things about them are the same - they're temporary.

 

[Trailblazer]

You need to establish he existence of God, souls and heaven first. Do animals not have the so-called soul? What about your cats?

The existence of God cannot be established.
I believe that animals have a spirit but not a soul. I believe their spirit continues to exist after death, but nobody really knows.

 

[Trailblazer]

1. You are not satisfied with the world as it is (you have many personal and non-personal complaints with God). 2. You want to live eternally. 3. You want to live (after death) in a world where there is no friction and every one is reading writings of a 19th Century uneducated Iranian.

No, none of that is true.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The existence of God cannot be established.
I believe that animals have a spirit but not a soul. I believe their spirit continues to exist after death, but nobody really knows.

If existence of God cannot be established then why to believe in one or any.
Till now we had just one problem, soul. You have raised another spirit. No one else has proposed two things, not even your Bahaollah.
Again, whether soul or spirit, existence of none of them can be established.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No, none of that is true.

1. You are not satisfied with the world as it is (you have many personal and non-personal complaints with God). 2. You want to live eternally. 3. You want to live (after death) in a world where there is no friction and every one is reading writings of a 19th Century uneducated Iranian.

But in many posts, you have mentioned that God has not listened to you and you hardly have any faith even in existence of God. You do want to live eternally and you are always trumpeting that. Otherwise why are you a Bahai? you have described the world turning into a platonic heven time and again. I do not know why you are blandly dismissing my three observations?

 

[Trailblazer]

If existence of God cannot be established then why to believe in one or any.
Till now we had just one problem, soul. You have raised another spirit. No one else has proposed two things, not even your Bahaollah.
Again, whether soul or spirit, existence of none of them can be established.

I don't need to have God, the soul, or the spirit established as a fact, since I believe it based upon the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

Abdu'l-Baha said that animals have a spirit and humans have a soul.

"The animal spirit is the power of all the senses, which is realized from the composition and mingling of elements .......

The human spirit which distinguishes man from the animal is the rational soul, and these two names—the human spirit and the rational soul—designate one thing. This spirit, which in the terminology of the philosophers is the rational soul, embraces all beings, and as far as human ability permits discovers the realities of things and becomes cognizant of their peculiarities and effects, and of the qualities and properties of beings. But the human spirit, unless assisted by the spirit of faith, does not become acquainted with the divine secrets and the heavenly realities. It is like a mirror which, although clear, polished and brilliant, is still in need of light. Until a ray of the sun reflects upon it, it cannot discover the heavenly secrets.”

Some Answered Questions, pp. 208-209

 

[Trailblazer]

But in many posts, you have mentioned that God has not listened to you and you hardly have any faith even in existence of God.

No, I never said that.

You do want to live eternally and you are always trumpeting that.

Did you see the OP of this thread? Eternity is a long time and I don't know if I want to go to heaven for eternity since there is no way of knowing what it will be like.

Worst things about heaven:

1. There is no way of knowing what it will be like.
2. There is no itinerary.
3. There is no return ticket if we don’t like it.
4. Eternity is a long time.
5. There might be no animals there.

Otherwise why are you a Bahai?

Because I believe that the Baha'i Faith is the truth from God. It is not about what I like, it is about what I believe.

you have described the world turning into a platonic heaven time and again. I do not know why you are blandly dismissing my three observations?

I think you have misinterpreted what I said.

 

[viole]

What are the best and worst things about heaven?
I’ll start. There are a lot more things but these are my top 5.

Best things about heaven:

1. No more cars or traffic.
2. No more houses to take care of.
3. No more physical ailments or physical pain.
4. No more grief when loved ones die.
5. Seeing loved ones again.

Worst things about heaven:

1. There is no way of knowing what it will be like.
2. There is no itinerary.
3. There is no return ticket if we don’t like it.
4. Eternity is a long time.
5. There might be no animals there.

The worst thing about heaven is to share eternity with people like Mother Teresa or Pat Robertson. That is like eternal torture, vastly worse than teeth gnashing.

The best thing about Heaven is that it is a myth.

ciao

- violw

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If existence of God cannot be established then why to believe in one or any.

It is true that the existence of God cannot be either proven or disproven. However, in the absence of such evidence, it makes sense to go with what one intuits. I have a strong intuition of agency behind the universe. Is that guaranteed to be correct? No. I'm aware that I may be mistaken. Humans are well known to sometimes see agency when none is there. However, this capacity to intuit agency has evolved in us because it is adaptive. It helps keep us alive -- you hear a rustling in the bushes, and you run away because it could be a wild beast. Thus, while it is not infallible, I think I am better off paying attention to my intuition. Thus, I am a theist.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You need to establish he existence of God, souls and heaven first. Do animals not have the so-called soul? What about your cats?

Personally, I don't believe that the existence of the biblical God or other gods can be proven or disproven. The following is my opinion on the matter.

My answer to the question of the existence of gods is fairly simple: I don't know. To be honest, I'm not sure whether deities exist or not because I've never seen conclusive evidence that has convinced me or felt the presence of one in my life, even when I was a devoted Christian. I don't believe that there is sufficient evidence for the existence of the biblical God or any other deity, for that matter. I don't entirely believe in the existence of gods since I haven't seen any kind of evidence that has convinced me of their existence. And while I practice Wicca and Druidry, I acknowledge that I lack empirical evidence or alleged evidence that any deities exist. Having said that, I choose to believe in the prospect of supernatural deities while recognizing that I can't prove or disprove their existence. I've always been fascinated with spirituality and beliefs in the supernatural, but I'm not willing to state that I am fully confident, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the God of the Bible or any other deities actually exist. I'm not all-knowing and all-powerful, and I can't be in all places at once or explore all of space and time. So, as far as I'm concerned, I can't honestly determine whether there is only one God, if there are other deities, or if there aren't any deities at all. Therefore, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist. Since I renounced my Christian faith and left Christianity, I've decided that I don't need to believe in the biblical God or in any deities in order to be a good person, make moral decisions, or feel peace, joy, and contentment in my life.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And while I practice Wicca and Druidry,

I'm not intending to be disrespectful, but am simply genuinely curious. Do you as a Wiccan believe that your magic spells actually change reality in any other way than simply altering your thoughts? For example, do you think you can cast a spell for prosperity and that will work and make you rich? I ask because you seem to have a respect for science, yet science has shown that spells do not work. So I'm wondering how you navigate this?

 

[flowerpower]

The worst thing about heaven is to share eternity with people like Mother Teresa or Pat Robertson. That is like eternal torture, vastly worse than teeth gnashing.

The best thing about Heaven is that it is a myth.

ciao

- violw

Lol

During my edgy militant atheist phase, I had pretty much the exact thoughts of yours - all the fun, cool people are in hell; all the most stale, boring insufferable idiots are in heaven so hell please.

I also consider it an awesome cute obscure test of character whenever someone gives their opinion on Mother Theresa.

Needless to say, you passed - Mother Theresa was horrid. The mainstream presumption that she was some kind of wonderful person really gets on my nerves and reflects just how disappointing humanity can be in terms of our capacity for critical thought in the place of herd/pack mentality. It's really demoralizing and tropes like "Mother Theresa" make it difficult for someone like me to be self-compassionate and authentic to myself. So I really appreciate people like you

 

[cataway]

Everyone dies, whether they have sinned or not. There are plenty of newborn babies who have never sinned who die. Death has been around as long as life has been around. It's just part of the natural way of things.

a person can be killed .even Jesus was killed . however because of his nature, had he not of been killed, he would still be living here on earth. yes ,that is beyond your comprehension ,all because he did not have a human father.
had Adam not sinned he would still be a living person , unless someone were to kill him

 

[IndigoChild5559]

a person can be killed .even Jesus was killed . however because of his nature, had he not of been killed, he would still be living here on earth. yes ,that is beyond your comprehension ,all because he did not have a human father.
had Adam not sinned he would still be a living person , unless someone were to kill him

Jesus was a man, and had he not been executed, he would have died some other way sooner or later.

Adam was not a historical person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is true that the existence of God cannot be either proven or disproven. However, in the absence of such evidence, it makes sense to go with what one intuits. I have a strong intuition of agency behind the universe. Is that guaranteed to be correct? No. I'm aware that I may be mistaken. Humans are well known to sometimes see agency when none is there. However, this capacity to intuit agency has evolved in us because it is adaptive. It helps keep us alive -- you hear a rustling in the bushes, and you run away because it could be a wild beast. Thus, while it is not infallible, I think I am better off paying attention to my intuition. Thus, I am a theist.

Well, I consider facts to be more valuable than intuition, though I do not disregard it as valueless. It is basically the start point and has to be checked with facts at every stage. Different view points. That is why I am an atheist.

 

[Aupmanyav]

a person can be killed .even Jesus was killed . however because of his nature, had he not of been killed, he would still be living here on earth. yes ,that is beyond your comprehension ,all because he did not have a human father.
had Adam not sinned he would still be a living person , unless someone were to kill him

Read a little science. There cannot be a human without a human father or mother.
Adam (and Eve) too are fiction. There have been many Adams and many Eves down the line.