What are the differences between God and Jesus Christ?

[lostwanderingsoul]

So you are saying that God had sex with Mary and this produced a son, Jesus?

I am saying there is a big difference between an object and a son. Henry Ford created the Model T Ford automobile. I am willing to say that Henry Ford is the father of the Model T Ford. I am not willing to say that the Model T Ford is Henry Ford's son. I am not willong to say that the telephone is Bell's son even though Bell created and built the telephone. A son is a living breathing PERSON born from a woman. Jesus was a living breathing person born from a woman. The woman was pregnant because of God. Maybe it was not what we call sex but God did something and Mary was pregnant. She did not give birth to a telephone or a Model T Ford. She gave birth to a son and that son was the son of God. No one gave birth to Adam/ Adam was created by God but Adam was not God's son. Adam was like a telephone or a car, something created and built but not a son. I think anyone who puts a telephone or car in the same category as a living breathing son is wrong. You might say an inventor is the father of his invention but you cannot say the invention is the son of its inventor.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..A son is a living breathing PERSON born from a woman. Jesus was a living breathing person born from a woman. The woman was pregnant because of God..

All very true..
However, Jesus taught us the Lord's prayer:
"Our Father whom art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.."

Father in this context is referring to "father" as in Creator of mankind .. wouldn't you think?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

All very true..
However, Jesus taught us the Lord's prayer:
"Our Father whom art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.."

Father in this context is referring to "father" as in Creator of mankind .. wouldn't you think?

Do you really think you know what Jesus was referring to? When Jesus was dying on the cross he called out Abba, Abba, This word means "daddy" and Jeus was not calling out to the creator of the world but to his daddy.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I wouldn’t take that poster seriously. They are just being an annoying devils advocate!!… in my opinion.

It seems so..

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It seems so..

I would not take seriously someone who thinks a person creating a telephone is the same as a woman giving birth to a baby. You might call Mr Bell the father of the telephone but the telephone is not Mr Bell's son. Some people seem to think that an invention is the same as a son. But there is a big difference. God created the earth but the earth is not God's son. God created Adam but Adam is not God's son. A son is a human person born of a human woman. Anyone who thinks that is the same as a telephone or a car is not thinking straight.

 

[Soapy]

I am saying there is a big difference between an object and a son. Henry Ford created the Model T Ford automobile. I am willing to say that Henry Ford is the father of the Model T Ford. I am not willing to say that the Model T Ford is Henry Ford's son. I am not willong to say that the telephone is Bell's son even though Bell created and built the telephone. A son is a living breathing PERSON born from a woman. Jesus was a living breathing person born from a woman. The woman was pregnant because of God. Maybe it was not what we call sex but God did something and Mary was pregnant. She did not give birth to a telephone or a Model T Ford. She gave birth to a son and that son was the son of God. No one gave birth to Adam/ Adam was created by God but Adam was not God's son. Adam was like a telephone or a car, something created and built but not a son. I think anyone who puts a telephone or car in the same category as a living breathing son is wrong. You might say an inventor is the father of his invention but you cannot say the invention is the son of its inventor.

No!!!

You do not know the definition of ‘Son’.

This is:

• ‘He that does the works of the Father’
• ‘He that does perfectly what the Father directs, commands, orders, him to do’

So saying, the toy that works exactly how the builder created it to work is a ‘Son’ of the Father!

The Telephone is the ‘Son’ of A G Bell!

etc…

What you are alluding you is an explicit ENTITY that is a Son… a PRO-Creation of the HUMAN FATHER.

If the procreated child behaves fully according to the orders of the Father then he is a TRUE SON of the Father….

In addition, even a non-procreated child can be a ‘SON’ if he does willingly and exactly what a Person in charge of him orders, directs, commands, tells him to do … check out the book of Philemon in the Bible whereupon a runaway slave called Onesimus is called the Son of Paul because Onesimus so accurately and praiseworthily carried out all the things Paul, while in jail, directed him to do. Paul ‘adopted’ him as his own son.

Read your Bible… Jesus Christ BECAME the Son of God after he was BAPTISED….:

• “And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was. In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.” (Hebrews 5:4-5)
• ‘You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.‘ (Acts 10:37-38)
  
• “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” (Acts 2:36)

Jesus, the Angel Gabriel told the Virgin Mary, WILL BE CALLED, ‘The Son of the God most high’!!

Why is it that Jesus was only DESTINED to BE CALLED, ‘Son of God’?

Because he had to PROVE HIMSELF WORTHY… and he did. And that is why God was so pleased to call him ‘Son’:

• ‘This is my Son in whom I am well pleased!’
• ‘Behold my servant in whom I delight… I will put my spirit on him …..’ (Isaiah 42:1)

Methinks you need to study the scriptures a little deeper and think about SPIRITUAL DEFINITIONS and not do much the human, earthly, flesh definitions!!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

No!!!

You do not know the definition of ‘Son’.

This is:

• ‘He that does the works of the Father’
• ‘He that does perfectly what the Father directs, commands, orders, him to do’

So saying, the toy that works exactly how the builder created it to work is a ‘Son’ of the Father!

The Telephone is the ‘Son’ of A G Bell!

etc…

What you are alluding you is an explicit ENTITY that is a Son… a PRO-Creation of the HUMAN FATHER.

If the procreated child behaves fully according to the orders of the Father then he is a TRUE SON of the Father….

In addition, even a non-procreated child can be a ‘SON’ if he does willingly and exactly what a Person in charge of him orders, directs, commands, tells him to do … check out the book of Philemon in the Bible whereupon a runaway slave called Onesimus is called the Son of Paul because Onesimus so accurately and praiseworthily carried out all the things Paul, while in jail, directed him to do. Paul ‘adopted’ him as his own son.

Read your Bible… Jesus Christ BECAME the Son of God after he was BAPTISED….:

• “And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was. In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.” (Hebrews 5:4-5)
• ‘You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.‘ (Acts 10:37-38)
  
• “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” (Acts 2:36)

Jesus, the Angel Gabriel told the Virgin Mary, WILL BE CALLED, ‘The Son of the God most high’!!

Why is it that Jesus was only DESTINED to BE CALLED, ‘Son of God’?

Because he had to PROVE HIMSELF WORTHY… and he did. And that is why God was so pleased to call him ‘Son’:

• ‘This is my Son in whom I am well pleased!’
• ‘Behold my servant in whom I delight… I will put my spirit on him …..’ (Isaiah 42:1)

Methinks you need to study the scriptures a little deeper and think about SPIRITUAL DEFINITIONS and not do much the human, earthly, flesh definitions!!

Most crazy thing I ever heard. If a man has a son and the son does not obey everything his father says then he is not really a son. So Adam was not God's son because Adam did not obey God? No, Adam was not God's son because God did not cause him to be born of a woman. There is no reason a word can't mean the same thing scripturally and humanly. Except some people have their pre conceived ideas and try to make words mean something different so they match their beliefs. God made a baby in Mary. Thar is a son scripturally and humanly.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible scriptures tells us what this means. And I have outlined it twice now in this short dialogue with you.

Adam was born of the Holy Spirit … He was not a person born of humanity (Procreation) but of the pure spirit of the holy sinless and righteous God: YHWH. In being this born … and in following all the commands, directives, orders, requests, … the works of God, his spirit Father, he was therefore, SON OF GOD.

Well now that's an interesting point. Yet the Bible does say that Adam was a son of God, and Jesus was a son of God. Now of course, a father can be proud of one son and not proud of another. ....

The rest of the scriptures is concerning the redemption from Adam’s sin by the raising up of another Son of God. As it is said in the scriptures:

• ‘He taketh away the first and establishes a second’

And, indeed, Jesus is called, ‘The second (or explicitly, the LAST) Adam, because no other man in humanity would be born that way.

Can I ask if you agree with this so far.

(I am commenting on it...so you see what I comment on. As far as agreeing, as I said, a person can have a son he is proud of, and another that he is not proud of.)

So what of Jesus ’ birth?

Jesus was not born from humanity, a procreation. He was born supernaturally by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit OF GOD.

This is a CREATION!!

Jesus was prophesied TO BE CALLED ‘Son of God’.
Why?

Why was Adam called, ‘Son of God’ (see above!)

Did Jesus do what was required to fulfil the role of ‘Son of God’?

Did he pass the test of temptation - and pass - in opposition to Adam who failed??

Why is this hard to understand?

Why is this hard to believe?

Where in Scriptures does it say Jesus pre-existed?

Who taught you that?

Nowhere in scriptures does it say Jesus pre-existed!!

Try to prove your claim??

And then align those ‘claims’ with the rest of scriptures…. It won’t fit…. You would have to start being disingenuous and ignoring righteous scriptures!

That, my friend, is called: ‘Grieving the Spirit of Truth’.

If you grieve truth…. There is no hope!!!

Jesus, the man, came from heaven. That is clear from the scriptures. Was he a human in heaven? No. Was 'he' in heaven before he came to the earth? Yes. But he was human on earth. He was not human in heaven.

 

[YoursTrue]

Alexander Graham Bell may be called the father of the telephone but no one would say that the telephone was his son. God is the father of Jesus and Jesus is his son because a woman named Mary had a baby. ...

Yes. God's actions can do miraculous things. Jesus knew where he came from, and that was a big argument he had with the Jewish leaders. They also knew that if he really was in heaven as he said he was before he came to the earth in human form (not God-humanform, but as a human) then he truly was God's Son. So thank you for bringing up what you did because when Jesus performed his miracles he demonstrated power from God, he was truly his son. His opposers knew that if he was who he said he was (from heaven and the Son of God), they would have to give up their power.

 

[YoursTrue]

Most crazy thing I ever heard. If a man has a son and the son does not obey everything his father says then he is not really a son. So Adam was not God's son because Adam did not obey God? No, Adam was not God's son because God did not cause him to be born of a woman. There is no reason a word can't mean the same thing scripturally and humanly. Except some people have their pre conceived ideas and try to make words mean something different so they match their beliefs. God made a baby in Mary. Thar is a son scripturally and humanly.

Jesus obeyed his heavenly father without doubt. He suffered for that. God was with him. Which encourages those who follow Jesus to keep going in truth and love. Earthly fathers are imperfect regardless.

 

[Soapy]

Most crazy thing I ever heard. If a man has a son and the son does not obey everything his father says then he is not really a son. So Adam was not God's son because Adam did not obey God? No, Adam was not God's son because God did not cause him to be born of a woman. There is no reason a word can't mean the same thing scripturally and humanly. Except some people have their pre conceived ideas and try to make words mean something different so they match their beliefs. God made a baby in Mary. Thar is a son scripturally and humanly.

Yes, to you it’s crazy because you do not know the truth.

Jesus is a HUMAN BEING…. Yet GOD is Spirit!!!

Spirit is not human.

A human is an spirit animated BODY.

Yet you have no problem believing that a Human Being is ‘SON’ of a SPIRIT…..???!!!!

How is your thinking so blinded?

Humans are a CREATION of God.

The puppet is a CREATION of its maker.

The DEFINITION does not make any distinction between who the creator is and WHO or WHAT the created entity is!!!!

It is just that because we are human and live in a human world we are so used to the HUMAN definition of ‘Son’ as being the ‘pro-‘Creation of ourselves.

Listen again:

1. God created the Angel Spirits. An angel is NOT GOD or A GOD!
2. God created humans. A Human is NOT GOD or A God!

The created thing IS NOT THE THING that created it!!

1. Humans do not CREATE another human… they PRO-CREATE another human
2. A human who creates a new thing, an invention, is the FATHER of that invention

So, what is it you don’t understand?

Stop restricting the level of your thinking!

 

[Soapy]

Yes. God's actions can do miraculous things. Jesus knew where he came from, and that was a big argument he had with the Jewish leaders. They also knew that if he really was in heaven as he said he was before he came to the earth in human form (not God-humanform, but as a human) then he truly was God's Son. So thank you for bringing up what you did because when Jesus performed his miracles he demonstrated power from God, he was truly his son. His opposers knew that if he was who he said he was (from heaven and the Son of God), they would have to give up their power.

Yours True, I’m confused as to what you believe and where you gained your belief….

Are you saying that you believe that Jesus was A MAN IN HEAVEN BEFORE COMING TO EARTH?

Where in any scriptures do you read that?

Please please please show me where you get your idea from?

Jesus is SON OF GOD because he obediently, fully, completely, joyfully, righteously, carries out all the works that his SPIRIT FATHER, his HEAVENLY FATHER, set out for him to do!

God did not PRO-Create Jesus!!!

Both Adam and Jesus were CREATED by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit OF GOD!

The dust of the earth is Adam’s body … this was made ALIVE by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit:

• ‘And the man (the body) became a living Soul’

Because of this, the man was righteous, holy, and sinless… and (until he sinned) he followed the spirit of God!!

The seed (egg) of the virgin is INERT… it is not a living entity … you do know that, don’t you. It is expelled unceremoniously out of a woman on a monthly cycle … IT IS ONLY MADE ALIVE when the sperm of a man enlivens it!!!

However, by the so Sperm of a man, the child born thereof is sinful…. Because man is sinful. THEREFORE when the Holy Spirit of God overshadowed the virgin Mary, IT CAUSED the enlivening of the egg / Seed to create a pure, sinless, righteous, holy CHILD!!

This is exactly what the scriptures tells us:

• “And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

Jesus was CREATED as a result of the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. He WOULD BE CALLED holy!!! And because he is holy, he SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God!!

I guess you are going to dismiss the SAME FACT that Adam is ALSO CALLED ‘SON OF GOD’…

Are you going to dismiss the FACT that Adam is MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD….! But I guess you will highlight that Jesus is the IMAGE OF GOD….

Jesus told the Jews that he was ‘Son of God’ because he was ‘Doing the works of his Father’.

The scriptures tells us that everyone who follows the spirit of God is a ‘SON OF GOD’.

A SON OF GOD is [anyone] who fully and truly is led by the spirit of God….

Adam was led by the spirit of God until he sinned.

Jesus was led by the spirit of God but did not sin!

The holy angels always follow the spirit of God… they are also called ‘Sons of God’!!

The Elect of God will become Sons of God …

What, therefore, do you understand about the term, ‘Son of God’, seeing that it applies to humans and angels alike who are ‘Led by the Spirit of God’, their CREATOR!!

Yours True… Do not cherrypick your scriptures!! This is what Trinitarians do - and you are in danger of becoming like them by stressing your belief. I mean that the reason they cannot agree with the scriptures is exactly because they cannot reconcile the scriptures with they’d belief… and you are doing similar albeit in a lesser way!

 

[muhammad_isa]

Jesus, the man, came from heaven..

What does that even mean?
Hasn't the word "heaven" more than one meaning?

It can refer to "a state of being", such as in heaven and hell..
It can refer to the sky, as in heavenly ornaments.
..and it can refer to "where God lives", which is not a physical place.
That means that Jesus' ascension, and final return is rather like time-travel.
i.e. G-d is beyond time, and Jesus "disappears" and will appear once more

Was he a human in heaven? No. Was 'he' in heaven before he came to the earth? Yes. But he was human on earth. He was not human in heaven.

That reminds me of the squabbles about Origen's beliefs in the 4th. century. He was a renowned theologian, but all of his books were burnt.
ONE of the reasons why, apparently, was due to the belief that souls were eternal, and not created.
That would mean that we ALL existed in "heaven" before "coming to earth"

 

[Soapy]

Well now that's an interesting point. Yet the Bible does say that Adam was a son of God, and Jesus was a son of God. Now of course, a father can be proud of one son and not proud of another. ....

(I am commenting on it...so you see what I comment on. As far as agreeing, as I said, a person can have a son he is proud of, and another that he is not proud of.)

’Yet the Bible does say…’

Do you mean: ‘YES, the Bible does say…’

And so you stop there. You stop short… you add no further comment …. Are you ashamed of the truth?

You won’t say any more because it would foul up your belief….

Let me say it for you:
‘Yes, the Bible says that Adam was created in the IMAGE OF GOD’ and was therefore sinless, righteous and Holy…. And because he initially completely followed the spirit of God in all his ways, he was rightly called, ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38)

And Jesus was also born by the Holy Spirit of God, made / created in the image of God, and he too, followed in righteousness, in sinlessness, in holiness, the spirit of his Father God… and is rightly also called ‘Son of God’ - just as scriptures says: ‘He WILL BE called Son of God’.

Adam sinned, and therefore did not continue to fully be led by the spirit of God. God was so angry with Adam that God even contemplated DESTROYING his creation. But because Adam was in his image, God relented and gave ADAMS OFFSPRING the opportunity to relent from the sin of their earthly Father… God did not forgive ADAM! Adam can no longer be called, ‘Son of God’ else causing sin would be a feature of a Son of God…

Jesus, the man, came from heaven. That is clear from the scriptures. Was he a human in heaven? No. Was 'he' in heaven before he came to the earth? Yes. But he was human on earth. He was not human in heaven.

I ask you: ‘Show me scriptures saying Jesus came from Heaven’… nothing!!

Why? Because you have no such scriptures.

Show where Jesus in Heaven before coming to earth…! …. Nothing… why? Because there is nothing to show!

‘Jesus was not human in Heaven’… Well, that is true BECAUSE he was never IN HEAVEN before being born as a human by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit of God.

So, please tell me what you believe Jesus was while he was supposedly in Heaven before coming as a man to earth…?

Please… you made the statements… you need to prove them!

(I’m sensing a JW marker on you! Is this right?)

 

[Soapy]

What does that even mean?
Hasn't the word "heaven" more than one meaning?

It can refer to "a state of being", such as in heaven and hell..
It can refer to the sky, as in heavenly ornaments.
..and it can refer to "where God lives", which is not a physical place.
That means that Jesus' ascension, and final return is rather like time-travel.
i.e. G-d is beyond time, and Jesus "disappears" and will appear once more



That reminds me of the squabbles about Origen's beliefs in the 4th. century. He was a renowned theologian, but all of his books were burnt.
ONE of the reasons why, apparently, was due to the belief that souls were eternal, and not created.
That would mean that we ALL existed in "heaven" before "coming to earth"

When I say ‘Heaven’ (capital ‘H’) I refer to the abode of God…

Obviously ‘abode’ is not physical. Perhaps ‘Realm’ is a better word, then!

When I’m referring to the sky, the celestial places, Space, the abode of the stars and planets, the galaxies and empty areas of the universe, that is ‘heaven’ or ‘heavens’.

It is, you rightly say, also meaning, ‘Beautiful, wondrous, glorious’. Therefore ‘The man from heaven’ is properly translated as ‘The wondrous man, the glorified man’.

The trinitarian translators of the Bible books took every opportunity to put a trinitarian spin on their translations. So it is no wonder that there are so many mistranslations such as those claiming Jesus came from heaven.

Not only that but the Apostles more often referred to THE GLORIFIED CHRIST as he is in Heaven NOW.
The translators used that ‘NOW’ to make it seem like a ‘THEN’. But if you study the Bible carefully you will see that it doesn’t work.

And Jesus, himself, never claimed to have come FROM Heaven nor had a life BEFORE being born.

The one verse, ‘It is done, give me the glory I had with you before time began’ (paraphrased) is mistranslated.

For a start, it implies Jesus had glory with the Father… but the trinitarian translators FORGOT THAT TRINITY IS THREE…….!!!! Didn’t Jesus have glory with the Holy Spirit (person) that they believe in???? Ha! See… caught them out!

Jesus also said he was ‘Going TO the Father!’. See my last comment about THREE. But notice also that he was GOING … not GOING BACK… If he had come from Heaven then he would be going BACK!

Also, Jesus was RAISED UP TO HEAVEN…. This was a REWARD from the Father.

Ask, tell me… When a contest is set… is the TROPHY not already waiting to be awarded…. ‘Give me the trophy that was MINE from the beginning…! The trophy I knew I would win!!’.

Sounds dodgy, eh! How about: ‘Give me the trophy that there awaiting the winner from the beginning’…. Yeah, sounds better!

Hmmm… what if Adam had not sinned!!?

When you argue with Christian’s, start off by understand WHICH ‘Christian’s’ they are!

TRINITARIAN CHRISTIANS who believe in ANY WAY that there are THREE who are God of that ONE is all three… do not listen to them… or you are at liberty to pull them apart.

Even Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons… treat with caution for their belief is close to truth but misleads ultimately… e.g. JW say Jesus was an Angel in Heaven before coming as a man… but scriptures says:
‘To WHICH OF THE ANGELS DID GOD EVERY SAY….’. But yet that verse is applied to Jesus… Jesus the Angel??!!!!!

Do they read that text verse and wonder at the people who devised and preach the JW ideology?

But when you hear the true Christian… do not grieve them!!! For what they say is truth … and truth must not be grieved!!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Yes, to you it’s crazy because you do not know the truth.

Jesus is a HUMAN BEING…. Yet GOD is Spirit!!!

Spirit is not human.

A human is an spirit animated BODY.

Yet you have no problem believing that a Human Being is ‘SON’ of a SPIRIT…..???!!!!

How is your thinking so blinded?

Humans are a CREATION of God.

The puppet is a CREATION of its maker.

The DEFINITION does not make any distinction between who the creator is and WHO or WHAT the created entity is!!!!

It is just that because we are human and live in a human world we are so used to the HUMAN definition of ‘Son’ as being the ‘pro-‘Creation of ourselves.

Listen again:

1. God created the Angel Spirits. An angel is NOT GOD or A GOD!
2. God created humans. A Human is NOT GOD or A God!

The created thing IS NOT THE THING that created it!!

1. Humans do not CREATE another human… they PRO-CREATE another human
2. A human who creates a new thing, an invention, is the FATHER of that invention

So, what is it you don’t understand?

Stop restricting the level of your thinking!

I have no trouble believing that the human Jesus is the son of God because the Bible says that is true. If you choose to get your beliefs from somewhere other than the Bible then that is your business. So let me ask this. Most people say that they are God's children. Do you believe that everyone is a child of God because God created them?

 

[Soapy]

I have no trouble believing that the human Jesus is the son of God because the Bible says that is true. If you choose to get your beliefs from somewhere other than the Bible then that is your business. So let me ask this. Most people say that they are God's children. Do you believe that everyone is a child of God because God created them?

Jesus called sone of the Jews, ‘Sons of Satan’; that therefore ‘Satan was their Father’!

What do you think he meant by that… given the definition I gave you of ‘Son’?

…….. thinking time for you……..

Well, doesn’t it meant that Jesus was showing them that they were ‘Doing the works of Satan, and therefore they were ‘Following the Spirit of Satan’.

Did Satan give birth to them? Or was it that they chose to follow wrongful influences?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Jesus called sone of the Jews, ‘Sons of Satan’; that therefore ‘Satan was their Father’!

What do you think he meant by that… given the definition I gave you of ‘Son’?

…….. thinking time for you……..

Well, doesn’t it meant that Jesus was showing them that they were ‘Doing the works of Satan, and therefore they were ‘Following the Spirit of Satan’.

Did Satan give birth to them? Or was it that they chose to follow wrongful influences?

If you want to say that "son" can mean "follower" then that is one way of looking at it but a follower is not a true son.

 

[Soapy]

If you want to say that "son" can mean "follower" then that is one way of looking at it but a follower is not a true son.

Jesus Christ called some of the Jews, ‘Sons of your Father’:

• “For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)

But he told the disciples:

• “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.“ (Matthew 5:44-45)

What was Jesus saying here?

Are you going to argue with Jesus Christ?

Was it not that ‘To be a Son [of God] you must do righteous things’?

So, your question as to whether human Beings are children of God IS ‘NO’? We are NOT children of God IF we are not doing righteous things and NOT following the spirit of God!!

But, in the hope that we as sinners aspire to godliness, God does not deny goodness to even sinners … else the aspiration to Sonship may be simply to gain goodness… God requires works in honor, reverence, honesty and truthfulness…

Why? Because your definition of idea of what ‘Son’ means is FLAWED!! You think only of the earthly procreated offspring of a Father when the word has a greater spiritual meaning as I showed you!

What you did was to think like Nicodemus who couldn’t understand when Jesus told him that to see the kingdom of God one must be born again!!!

Are you seeing it yet? Nicodemus could only think with an earthly flesh mind such that ‘reborn’ meant coming out of the womb of a woman!! Yet Jesus was speaking of SPIRITUAL REBIRTH!! Birth by the Holy Spirit of God!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Jesus Christ called some of the Jews, ‘Sons of your Father’:

• “For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)

But he told the disciples:

• “But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.“ (Matthew 5:44-45)

What was Jesus saying here?

Are you going to argue with Jesus Christ?

Was it not that ‘To be a Son [of God] you must do righteous things’?

So, your question as to whether human Beings are children of God IS ‘NO’? We are NOT children of God IF we are not doing righteous things and NOT following the spirit of God!!

But, in the hope that we as sinners aspire to godliness, God does not deny goodness to even sinners … else the aspiration to Sonship may be simply to gain goodness… God requires works in honor, reverence, honesty and truthfulness…

Why? Because your definition of idea of what ‘Son’ means is FLAWED!! You think only of the earthly procreated offspring of a Father when the word has a greater spiritual meaning as I showed you!

What you did was to think like Nicodemus who couldn’t understand when Jesus told him that to see the kingdom of God one must be born again!!!

Are you seeing it yet? Nicodemus could only think with an earthly flesh mind such that ‘reborn’ meant coming out of the womb of a woman!! Yet Jesus was speaking of SPIRITUAL REBIRTH!! Birth by the Holy Spirit of God!

Sorry but there is only one way to look at it. Mr. Bell is the father is the telephone but the telephone is not his son. Mr Ford is the father of the automobile but the automobile is not his son. God is the father of every living person but every living person is not God's son. God is the father of Jesus. Jesus is God's son. There is a difference. And most people have no idea what Jesus meant when he told Nicodemus about being born again. When one is born again, one will be an invisible spirit. All these people who jump up and down in church and say they are born again are not invisible spirits. But that is another subject for another time.