What are the differences between God and Jesus Christ?

[muhammad_isa]

So your claim that all worship is acceptable was false then!

Well, no .. that is my whole point.
How do you know who is sincere, and who is not?
Only G-d knows that.

We clearly can't all be right about everything, as there are many different creeds.
It doesn't follow that G-d doesn't accept a person's worship due to their mistaken beliefs, if they are sincere.

By the way, ‘GOD’ is just a TITLE. It is like ‘King’, ‘Majesty’, ‘Sir’, ‘Judge’, etc. There is no need to be fearful of writing a TITLE unlike what you do in writing ‘G-D’.

Language is a form of communication. I usually use a capital 'g' when talking about G-d. I use the hython in a similar fashion.
It is about respect. Respect for God, and respect for others.

It means your are fearing the TITLE rather than the PERSON attached to the TITLE..

No, it doesn't. Every act is judged by its intention

 

[muhammad_isa]

That one God you talk about warned and warned Israel, telling THEM, the Israelites, not to worship any god but him. But they didn't listen for the most part.

Your True, I don’t know if there is anything I disagree with what else you say but here you are perfectly correct..

The same could be said about Christians and Muslims.
Many of us don't pay heed to our religion. We just pay lip-service and attend wedding and funerals.

Why pick on Jews?
Ah .. yes. It is about the Sanhedrin and their persecution of Jesus, for example.

Look at the world today. Nothing changes .. does it?

i.e. the G7 .. The Group of Seven is an inter-governmental political forum consisting of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States.

..and we all know about the Book of Revelation, I assume..

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
-Bible Book of Revelation 17-

It's not that far off now..
The signs are all out. Nations are aligning themselves.
It is about libertarian [whore] v authoritarian [ beast ]

The believers are neither one or the other .. they will be the "chosen", the faithful, and fight with Jesus, peace be with him.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You are speaking from a human perspective

My perspective counts because I am human. Moral laws affect humans.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You are speaking from a human perspective.

God does not view things the way you are thinking.

Thats why God is God and Man is man!

God created humanity and so God can destroy humanity.

God can create children from inanimate stones…!

If something is cancerous then it needs to be destroyed else it will affect many others around it.

If God sees that the Spirit of the children of the wicked are as a cancer, that they will grow to be like or worse than their parents, then God has a right to destroy them.

If a component of a system is faulty to the end that it will fail and cause corruption in other parts of the system then the CREATOR of the system (or one authorised to oversee the system) can remove the defective component before it fails and causes damage to the rest of the system!

Do you disagree with the diagnosis and the prognosis and the solution to the above scenario?

A smart creator would’ve made it right the first time.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You don’t think that saying that God accepts any kind of worship as long as it doesn’t harm others, is not reverent?

• “Do not worship the LORD your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods.” (Deut 12:4)

Did God accept the worship from Cain? Wasn’t Cain worshipping God in a non-acceptable wag by offering his sacrifice that was not pure? He “wasn’t hurting others”, was he?

And yet the temple is based on Phoenician architecture and beliefs. No graven images except all the ones mandated by the Bible.

 

[Soapy]

• Well, no .. that is my whole point.

How do you know who is sincere, and who is not?
Only G-d knows that.

The question is not about whether WE think our prayers are sincere. It is clear that we can all judge ourselves, that we know good from bad, but some of us are less gifted in that arena. THAT is not an excuse….. Our prayers will not be heard BUT God will provide teachers and lessons through incidents that will teach us the right… but it is up to us to ACCEPT IT… and that’s the problem… many times we refuse the lesson.

it is just as like I’m showing you now. I show you the truth but you refuse to accept it…. You remain chained to your ignorance because it suits your way of thinking…. Not God’s way of thinking.

God accepts worship that is in accordance with his commands. He does not accept worship outside of that. BUT the prayer of the unacceptable Worship will be taught through spiritual means … CAIN was warned that his worship was not acceptable but he chose to ignore Gods warning….!

We clearly can't all be right about everything, as there are many different creeds.
It doesn't follow that G-d doesn't accept a person's worship due to their mistaken beliefs, if they are sincere.

Language is a form of communication. I usually use a capital 'g' when talking about G-d. I use the hython in a similar fashion.
It is about respect. Respect for God, and respect for others.

… you don’t read clearly, do you!
The word, ‘God’ is just a TITLE… there’s nothing reverent or irreverent about it…

GOD
GOD
GOD
GOD

…

it’s just a title….

King
King
King

it’s just a title…

Yes, you can capitalise the leading letter to DIDFERENTIATE it’s usage. Capitalised usually means if is REFERRING TO A PERSON rather than anything else:

• The Queen of England (Note also the capital for the Country (England)
• ‘The judge is God in his courtroom’

But we write:

• The queen bee (we don’t capitalise the ‘Q’ there.)
• ‘The lion is king of the jungle!

You can continue writing ‘G-d’ but I just wanted to point out to you that it’s a pointless reverence!!
God isn’t going to deduct points from you nor add points for you because you write ‘G-d’.

It’s a TITLE!!!!!!

Only a TITLE….!!

What you need to be reverent about is ‘YHWH’… His NAME!!!!

No, it doesn't. Every act is judged by its intention

And so there’s no accounting for ACTUALITY?
Didn’t an actor shoot some people with what he thought was a blank bullet? He may not have INTENDED to shoot a LIVE ROUND and kill then BUT HE IS STILL ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FACT!!!
Why?…. Because he didn’t exercise ‘Health and safety PRECAUTIONS’ which are clearly laid out and taught to him…

So, you were saying….!

And yet the temple is based on Phoenician architecture and beliefs. No graven images except all the ones mandated by the Bible.

What are you talking about?

Where are you getting your false information from?

Even to say that Jews ‘worship’ graven images is blasphemous because there’s no such thing as ‘Graven image worship’ in Judaism or Christianity.

Sure, there are carved architectural features… but these are not worshipped? Nor do they even form any part of a worship process.

If you are talking about things like the Cross, or all that nonsense that ROMAN CATHOLIC churches … and TRINITARIAN churches go through…. BE IT KNOWN HERE ONCE AND FOR ALL - PLEASE:

• TRINITY is FALSE CHRISTIANITY!!!!
• Roman Catholicism is FALSE CHRISTIANITY!!!

I will understand that since Catholicism and trinitarianism is the mainstay of what you see and hear and read from those who claim to be Christian’s…. But again, hear it loud and clear… that is because trinitarianism is the prodigy of Catholicism…. And BOTH ARE FALSE IDEOLOGIES!!

So, you may be right that FALSE CHRISTIANITY uses graven images in their worship process but that is exactly because they are false ideologies.

I could even congratulate you for pointing this tragedy out but I know you would only use it to claim victory over all Christian belief… yet there is Christian theology that completely DOES NOT conform to Catholicism and certainly not Trinitarianism!!

In this true Christian theology THERE IS NO GRAVEN IMAGE used in WORSHIP.

 

[Soapy]

My perspective counts because I am human. Moral laws affect humans.

Oh dear… and there I was trying to show you that we should look to the SPIRITUAL!!!

We will always be at fault if we keep seeking the human aspect!!!

 

[Soapy]

A smart creator would’ve made it right the first time.

I just don’t believe what I’m reading….!!!!

How are you in this forum saying things like you are?

GOD DID MAKE THINGS RIGHT in the first place!!!

He made man ‘IN HIS IMAGE’…. That means that man has FREE WILL.

It was because Adam did not exercise his free will CORRECTLY that sin came into the world.

Adam SHOULD HAVE refused to eat the fruit… although Eve ate it first, the COMMAND TO NOT EAT THE FRUIT FROM THAT TREE WAS NOT GIVEN TO EVE - it was given only to ADAM.

So if Adam had admonished his wife and refused to eat - HELD TO HIS FREE WILL TO SERVR GOD instead of the delight of his wife - sin would still not have occurred!

It is not GOD who did anything wrong!

Trust broken…
Faith destroyed…

God was so angry that Adam had failed that God initially wanted to destroy his creation!!!

How about that for someone destroying your perfection!!

But all this is in the scriptures…. Why am I laying it out to you !!!

Do you read the scriptures? Or are you just being a devil’s advocate and hoping to catch out those less able to defend the scriptures???

 

[muhammad_isa]

..it is just as like I’m showing you now. I show you the truth but you refuse to accept it…. You remain chained to your ignorance because it suits your way of thinking…. Not God’s way of thinking.

What ?
How do you know for sure that you are right?
Isn't that rather arrogant?

The word, ‘God’ is just a TITLE… there’s nothing reverent or irreverent about it

Now you're being petty. G-d is not just a word .. we are talking about the Creator and Maintainer of the universe.
He has no need of our respect, yet if we HAVE no respect, we ruin our own souls.

 

[YoursTrue]

The same could be said about Christians and Muslims.
Many of us don't pay heed to our religion. We just pay lip-service and attend wedding and funerals.

I can say that you're right in many respects.
Looking at the rest of your post, it is God who can help a person to know who He is. We do have the famous example of Moses and Pharaoh. The Almighty God certainly let Pharaoh know who He is. (He also let Moses know who He is.)

 

[YoursTrue]

Your True, I don’t know if there is anything I disagree with what else you say but here you are perfectly correct.

Anyone, everyone, reading the scriptures with understanding should see that what you said is right.

If they disagree then it must be queried as to what else they are getting so wrong that is of greater detail.

The one true God indeed to the Israelites that:

• they should believe that He and He alone is their God…
• that he and he alone created all things….
• That they are not to worship any other God but him…
• that those ‘others’ who are called ‘God’ and ‘Gods’, were mere figment of pagan minds…

and He proved it to them over and over…

These people who are disputing the true word of the scriptures cannot be reading the same scriptures as we are…. Maybe they are just here at the instigation of satanic forces hoping to mislead vulnerable ones.

Or maybe they get a buzz from posting nonsense because they have nothing else to do.

But persevere and post the truth … maybe there is someone out there who is waiting to see the true word - and it might come from your posting.

Soapy, before I studied the holy scriptures, I didn't know anything. I was involved with religion when I was young, then decided later on that I didn't believe in God, but then -- God 'met' me, shall we say. after I searched for Him (who was he? I kept wondering). Then He found me. That is why I say I'm found. I am very thankful. But now that I am reading the scriptures I am happy to see what they say. So thanks for that.

 

[Soapy]

What ?
How do you know for sure that you are right?
Isn't that rather arrogant?



Now you're being petty. G-d is not just a word .. we are talking about the Creator and Maintainer of the universe.
He has no need of our respect, yet if we HAVE no respect, we ruin our own souls.

Why is your response to everthing that is true: ‘How do you know that’s true!’????

It seems you cannot discern truth from fallacy so you keep questioning everything without ever coming to a conclusion because every decision is responded with ‘But how do you know that?’.

And even when credible and validated evidence is shown, you would still say, ‘But how do you know that the source of your evidence is correct?’…

See, you would get no where with you attitude.

The reality is that I show you the evidence FROM THE SCRIPTURES that we believe in. THAT is the source …. But I do agree that there is corruption in it… the solution is that every point of evidence is backed up at least two other times as a validation factor.

Try it. Ask a trinitarian about how Jesus was pre-existent as God and whether Jesus created man.
Then ask them to show evidence… don’t deny the evidence… just see HOW they show it… What I will say to you is this: “They cannot show evidence that sucks up their claim”.

That would show you that their claim is FALSE!
Jesus never claimed to be God at any time and nor did he ever claim to have created mankind!

Yet ask me something and I will show you at least two further verses and text that validates my claim.

And when the CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is shown to you then you believe it!!

 

[Soapy]

Soapy, before I studied the holy scriptures, I didn't know anything. I was involved with religion when I was young, then decided later on that I didn't believe in God, but then -- God 'met' me, shall we say. after I searched for Him (who was he? I kept wondering). Then He found me. That is why I say I'm found. I am very thankful. But now that I am reading the scriptures I am happy to see what they say. So thanks for that.

Yours True, what the problem is, is that many people come to believe the TRINITARIAN version of the scriptures because of two situations:

1. They know nothing else seeing that their childhood and the common belief is trinitarian
2. Even if they come to a realisation that something is wrong with the trinity version, they cannot learn the truth because they FEAR bring ostracised if they speak out against it

I have no such fear (2) even though I was brought up in a trinity (1) church. It always fuddled my head when I heard the confusion that the preacher spoke each week and what I read in the scriptures … My parents berated me for speaking out saying that God was not three … I was stung but it didn’t stop me.

Funnily, happily, they now believe as I do!!! My dad still attends the same church because there are no other physical churches that speak the truth and he needs the community spirit - but he just doesn’t believe the ideology!

I found a verse where the angels where shown to be highly intelligent and powerful creatures which goes along with God saying that the man has become LIKE US knowing good from bad!

This attaches to the verse saying, let us make man in our image.

Of course, Trinitarians cannot stomach that truth. It is against their fallacy that Go could be talking to the angels when he created mankind. But check it out… NO WHERE does it say the angels created MANKIND… I’m not saying that (but they want to say I’m saying that!!). Even when I explained that the angels created THE BODY of Adam, BUT GOD PUT THE SPIRIT IN THE BODY and that is the point, they ignore it because though it proves my point, it wrankles with their head!
‘God put the spirit into the man and the man BECAME A LIVING SOUL’. The body is NOTHING…
Ok, so then what about the angels creating bodies FOR THEMSELVES and enlivening those bodies with themselves, they’re spirit.
Does that not show that the angels can create bodies / but cannot put a external spirit in it like God can do?

So the Bible doesn’t say anything wrong. It doesn’t say that THREE ALL POWERFUL PERSONS AS GOD created mankind. …

AND why does it take three all powerful a to created man?

And since man is created in the image of God (three all powerful persons, as trinity would say), ask them to show his man is also ‘Three all powerful persons’.

I warrant that they cannot show anything of evidence. They will just obfuscate their response to the point of nonsense beyond reason!!

My point of the above is that it is the only claim of God being three in the old testament that Trinitarians bring to the table…. SO THAT CLSIM IS DESTROYED by the above.

Even the verse, ‘Hear o Israel, YHWH your God, is one God’… does not show anything that pertains to a three in one of God.

In fact, the reality is that the verse shows that God is the ONLY GOD of the Israelites BUT clever Trinitarians knew this would prove against them so they ADOPTED the verse as their own and press-ganged the trinity belief that it is claiming that God is three… Oh, hold up - where does it say that God is three???

The truth: God was telling the Israelites that He, their God, was to be their ONLY GOD!!! That they should have ONLY ONE GOD! There’s nothing about that only God being three persons…… But Trinitarians will try to persuade you that the vets is saying that God was telling his people that he is THREE!!

And Trinitarians believe the fallacy! Uphold it no matter how you show them the reality and truth that it does not!

 

[YoursTrue]

Yours True, what the problem is, is that many people come to believe the TRINITARIAN version of the scriptures because of two situations:

1. They know nothing else seeing that their childhood and the common belief is trinitarian
2. Even if they come to a realisation that something is wrong with the trinity version, they cannot learn the truth because they FEAR bring ostracised if they speak out against it

I have no such fear (2) even though I was brought up in a trinity (1) church. It always fuddled my head when I heard the confusion that the preacher spoke each week and what I read in the scriptures … My parents berated me for speaking out saying that God was not three … I was stung but it didn’t stop me.

Funnily, happily, they now believe as I do!!! My dad still attends the same church because there are no other physical churches that speak the truth and he needs the community spirit - but he just doesn’t believe the ideology!

I found a verse where the angels where shown to be highly intelligent and powerful creatures which goes along with God saying that the man has become LIKE US knowing good from bad!

This attaches to the verse saying, let us make man in our image.

Of course, Trinitarians cannot stomach that truth. It is against their fallacy that Go could be talking to the angels when he created mankind. But check it out… NO WHERE does it say the angels created MANKIND… I’m not saying that (but they want to say I’m saying that!!). Even when I explained that the angels created THE BODY of Adam, BUT GOD PUT THE SPIRIT IN THE BODY and that is the point, they ignore it because though it proves my point, it wrankles with their head!
‘God put the spirit into the man and the man BECAME A LIVING SOUL’. The body is NOTHING…
Ok, so then what about the angels creating bodies FOR THEMSELVES and enlivening those bodies with themselves, they’re spirit.
Does that not show that the angels can create bodies / but cannot put a external spirit in it like God can do?

So the Bible doesn’t say anything wrong. It doesn’t say that THREE ALL POWERFUL PERSONS AS GOD created mankind. …

AND why does it take three all powerful a to created man?

And since man is created in the image of God (three all powerful persons, as trinity would say), ask them to show his man is also ‘Three all powerful persons’.

I warrant that they cannot show anything of evidence. They will just obfuscate their response to the point of nonsense beyond reason!!

My point of the above is that it is the only claim of God being three in the old testament that Trinitarians bring to the table…. SO THAT CLSIM IS DESTROYED by the above.

Even the verse, ‘Hear o Israel, YHWH your God, is one God’… does not show anything that pertains to a three in one of God.

In fact, the reality is that the verse shows that God is the ONLY GOD of the Israelites BUT clever Trinitarians knew this would prove against them so they ADOPTED the verse as their own and press-ganged the trinity belief that it is claiming that God is three… Oh, hold up - where does it say that God is three???

The truth: God was telling the Israelites that He, their God, was to be their ONLY GOD!!! That they should have ONLY ONE GOD! There’s nothing about that only God being three persons…… But Trinitarians will try to persuade you that the vets is saying that God was telling his people that he is THREE!!

And Trinitarians believe the fallacy! Uphold it no matter how you show them the reality and truth that it does not!

It is good to go over the scriptures carefully, Soapy. It doesn't stand to reason, as you said, that God said "Let us make man in our image" means He was speaking to all three all together at the same time? (I've heard that...) It makes far more sense to realize He was speaking to His first creation -- His "only-begotten" Son. John 1:14 says - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth." Here John aptly concludes that Jesus is the "only-begotten" of the Father.

 

[muhammad_isa]

John 1:14 says - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth." Here John aptly concludes that Jesus is the "only-begotten" of the Father.

Good for John [ whoever he was ].
I prefer to examine the words that Jesus is reported to have said.
He is the Son of God. John is NOT!

 

[Soapy]

It is good to go over the scriptures carefully, Soapy. It doesn't stand to reason, as you said, that God said "Let us make man in our image" means He was speaking to all three all together at the same time? (I've heard that...) It makes far more sense to realize He was speaking to His first creation -- His "only-begotten" Son. John 1:14 says - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth." Here John aptly concludes that Jesus is the "only-begotten" of the Father.

Ah, now I remember where I sadly disagreed with you.

The ‘Only Begotten of the Father’ has a double meaning:

• Adam was created, image of [the Father]. He was created Body, and with Spirit, by the power of the Father’s Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so in Genesis, and in Luke 3:38.
• But Adam sinned and LOST HIS SONSHIP!!
• Jesus was created, Body, and Spirit, by the power of the fathers Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so:
  • “The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
• Jesus did not sin and therefore REMAINS the ONLY man who is sinless, holy, righteous, … the ONLY SON OF GOD!

So you might want to know why it says, ‘Only BEGOTTEN Son of God?

Well, what else does scriptures tell us? What about these verses?

• ‘And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”’ (Matthew 3:17)
  
• “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.“ (Isaiah 42:1)
  
• ‘In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”’ (Hebrews 5:5)

Three qualifying verses all speaking the same thing!

What does Isaiah 42:1 tell you? Who is the SERVANT that GOD is speaking of? Do you know that ‘Son’ and ‘Servant’ in Hebrew have the same meaning! A Son is indeed like a SERVANT to his Father… I don’t mean he is abused or illTreated.. are you trying to say ‘Slave’… no, a servant is not a slave (two very different people!). A true servant is happy to perform whatever the master asks him to do… a slave does only the least he is made to do!

And this is emphasised here:

• “What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.” (Galatians 4:1) (take note that ‘slave’ (in Greek) here is really meant to say, ‘Servant’ (English)… See Romans 1:1 which uses the same word to say, ‘Servant’ [of Christ] and Luke 2:29…

Hebrews 5:5 declares an ADOPTION… it is an adoption STATEMENT.

Ask anyone who has been adopted (and conscious of it at the time)… What does the male parent say to the newly adopted child….?

• ‘Today, I have become your Father…. And you have become my son!’

So, WHEN did this all occur? Before time began… before the creation?

No!!

God said, and you agree, that He (God) and He alone, CREATED ALL THINGS!

Im thinking you have been minded to try to walk a middle ground between trinitarian belief in a pre-existent Jesus, and the truth that Jesus was born a man in the same manner as the first man, Adam. Both Adam and Jesus were unsullied by the sin in man at their creation and birth… hence Jesus is called ‘THE SECOND ADAM….’ But more precisely, ‘THE LAST ADAM’ since no other man would ever be created in such a manner!

• “The Last Adam, also given as the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, is a title given to Jesus in the New Testament. ... In 1 Corinthians 15:22, Paul argues that "as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive," while in verse 45 he calls Jesus the "last/ultimate/final Adam" (Wikipedia…!)
• “As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.” (1 Cor 58)

In 1 Corinthians 58, do not mistake the word ‘heaven’ with ‘Heaven’ (the abode of God, the spirit realm). The scripture translators were trinitarian and tried hard to imply a trinity wherever they thought they would get away with it. The word simply implies ‘Holy, Righteous, Sinless: as of those OF HEAVEN… the Holy Angels’.

So the verse is saying that truly sinful man will always be sinful - but a truly holy man remains HOLY, sinless, righteous!

And so Jesus was ‘AS OF THOSE OF Heaven’.

Read the previous verse and see that where it implies that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN, it really doesn’t read so credibly!!

Qualify this by Jesus saying that he was ‘GOING TO the Father’… he did not say he was ‘GOING BACK TO the Father’.

And, by the way, when you read that Jesus was SENT BY THE FATHER, do you know that this was AFTER JESUS passed the temptation in the wilderness??

Jesus was ONLY ENDOWED with the Spirit power of God AT HIS BAPTISM… (Acts 10:37-38).

So the two meanings are:

1. He was born of the Holy Spirit of God… and therefore a Son of God (Matthew, Luke)
2. He was adopted as Son of God and therefore is begotten of God (Hebrew 5:5)

 

[YoursTrue]

Ah, now I remember where I sadly disagreed with you.

The ‘Only Begotten of the Father’ has a double meaning:

• Adam was created, image of [the Father]. He was created Body, and with Spirit, by the power of the Father’s Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so in Genesis, and in Luke 3:38.
• But Adam sinned and LOST HIS SONSHIP!!
• Jesus was created, Body, and Spirit, by the power of the fathers Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so:
  • “The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
• Jesus did not sin and therefore REMAINS the ONLY man who is sinless, holy, righteous, … the ONLY SON OF GOD!

So you might want to know why it says, ‘Only BEGOTTEN Son of God?

Well, what else does scriptures tell us? What about these verses?

• ‘And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”’ (Matthew 3:17)
  
• “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.“ (Isaiah 42:1)
  
• ‘In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”’ (Hebrews 5:5)

Three qualifying verses all speaking the same thing!

What does Isaiah 42:1 tell you? Who is the SERVANT that GOD is speaking of? Do you know that ‘Son’ and ‘Servant’ in Hebrew have the same meaning! A Son is indeed like a SERVANT to his Father… I don’t mean he is abused or illTreated.. are you trying to say ‘Slave’… no, a servant is not a slave (two very different people!). A true servant is happy to perform whatever the master asks him to do… a slave does only the least he is made to do!

And this is emphasised here:

• “What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.” (Galatians 4:1) (take note that ‘slave’ (in Greek) here is really meant to say, ‘Servant’ (English)… See Romans 1:1 which uses the same word to say, ‘Servant’ [of Christ] and Luke 2:29…

Hebrews 5:5 declares an ADOPTION… it is an adoption STATEMENT.

Ask anyone who has been adopted (and conscious of it at the time)… What does the male parent say to the newly adopted child….?

• ‘Today, I have become your Father…. And you have become my son!’

So, WHEN did this all occur? Before time began… before the creation?

No!!

God said, and you agree, that He (God) and He alone, CREATED ALL THINGS!

Im thinking you have been minded to try to walk a middle ground between trinitarian belief in a pre-existent Jesus, and the truth that Jesus was born a man in the same manner as the first man, Adam. Both Adam and Jesus were unsullied by the sin in man at their creation and birth… hence Jesus is called ‘THE SECOND ADAM….’ But more precisely, ‘THE LAST ADAM’ since no other man would ever be created in such a manner!

• “The Last Adam, also given as the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, is a title given to Jesus in the New Testament. ... In 1 Corinthians 15:22, Paul argues that "as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive," while in verse 45 he calls Jesus the "last/ultimate/final Adam" (Wikipedia…!)
• “As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.” (1 Cor 58)

In 1 Corinthians 58, do not mistake the word ‘heaven’ with ‘Heaven’ (the abode of God, the spirit realm). The scripture translators were trinitarian and tried hard to imply a trinity wherever they thought they would get away with it. The word simply implies ‘Holy, Righteous, Sinless: as of those OF HEAVEN… the Holy Angels’.

So the verse is saying that truly sinful man will always be sinful - but a truly holy man remains HOLY, sinless, righteous!

And so Jesus was ‘AS OF THOSE OF Heaven’.

Read the previous verse and see that where it implies that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN, it really doesn’t read so credibly!!

Qualify this by Jesus saying that he was ‘GOING TO the Father’… he did not say he was ‘GOING BACK TO the Father’.

And, by the way, when you read that Jesus was SENT BY THE FATHER, do you know that this was AFTER JESUS passed the temptation in the wilderness??

Jesus was ONLY ENDOWED with the Spirit power of God AT HIS BAPTISM… (Acts 10:37-38).

So the two meanings are:

1. He was born of the Holy Spirit of God… and therefore a Son of God (Matthew, Luke)
2. He was adopted as Son of God and therefore is begotten of God (Hebrew 5:5)

OK, I understand. We can go over this later in more detail if you'd like. You said, "Read the previous verse and see that where it implies that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN, it really doesn’t read so credibly!!" (What do you mean by that?) But perhaps we can go over some of that. Because I see why you say what you say. (Although I don't necessarily agree with your interpretation.) So I'd like to start with what 'only-begotten' means. I'm going to take this very slowly so neither of us get sidetracked.
So I'll start with the term used, it's interesting and I'd like to go over it with you, so let's see if we can see.
The Greek word monogenes is defined by lexicographers as “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1889, p. 417; Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, Oxford, 1968, p. 1144) The term is used in describing the relation of both sons and daughters to their parents. You are right when you say or imply that the term can refer to others, not only Jesus.
For example, the Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38)
There's more, but let's stop there for a moment.

 

[YoursTrue]

Good for John [ whoever he was ].
I prefer to examine the words that Jesus is reported to have said.
He is the Son of God. John is NOT!

In what sense would you say that anyone is a son of God? Does God have more than one son, what would you say to that?
And please, where are you getting the words you say come from Jesus as reported?

 

[YoursTrue]

Ah, now I remember where I sadly disagreed with you.

The ‘Only Begotten of the Father’ has a double meaning:

• Adam was created, image of [the Father]. He was created Body, and with Spirit, by the power of the Father’s Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so in Genesis, and in Luke 3:38.
• But Adam sinned and LOST HIS SONSHIP!!
• Jesus was created, Body, and Spirit, by the power of the fathers Spirit…. Scriptures tells us so:
  • “The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)
• Jesus did not sin and therefore REMAINS the ONLY man who is sinless, holy, righteous, … the ONLY SON OF GOD!

So you might want to know why it says, ‘Only BEGOTTEN Son of God?

Well, what else does scriptures tell us? What about these verses?

• ‘And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”’ (Matthew 3:17)
  
• “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.“ (Isaiah 42:1)
  
• ‘In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”’ (Hebrews 5:5)

Three qualifying verses all speaking the same thing!

What does Isaiah 42:1 tell you? Who is the SERVANT that GOD is speaking of? Do you know that ‘Son’ and ‘Servant’ in Hebrew have the same meaning! A Son is indeed like a SERVANT to his Father… I don’t mean he is abused or illTreated.. are you trying to say ‘Slave’… no, a servant is not a slave (two very different people!). A true servant is happy to perform whatever the master asks him to do… a slave does only the least he is made to do!

And this is emphasised here:

• “What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.” (Galatians 4:1) (take note that ‘slave’ (in Greek) here is really meant to say, ‘Servant’ (English)… See Romans 1:1 which uses the same word to say, ‘Servant’ [of Christ] and Luke 2:29…

Hebrews 5:5 declares an ADOPTION… it is an adoption STATEMENT.

Ask anyone who has been adopted (and conscious of it at the time)… What does the male parent say to the newly adopted child….?

• ‘Today, I have become your Father…. And you have become my son!’

So, WHEN did this all occur? Before time began… before the creation?

No!!

God said, and you agree, that He (God) and He alone, CREATED ALL THINGS!

Im thinking you have been minded to try to walk a middle ground between trinitarian belief in a pre-existent Jesus, and the truth that Jesus was born a man in the same manner as the first man, Adam. Both Adam and Jesus were unsullied by the sin in man at their creation and birth… hence Jesus is called ‘THE SECOND ADAM….’ But more precisely, ‘THE LAST ADAM’ since no other man would ever be created in such a manner!

• “The Last Adam, also given as the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, is a title given to Jesus in the New Testament. ... In 1 Corinthians 15:22, Paul argues that "as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive," while in verse 45 he calls Jesus the "last/ultimate/final Adam" (Wikipedia…!)
• “As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.” (1 Cor 58)

In 1 Corinthians 58, do not mistake the word ‘heaven’ with ‘Heaven’ (the abode of God, the spirit realm). The scripture translators were trinitarian and tried hard to imply a trinity wherever they thought they would get away with it. The word simply implies ‘Holy, Righteous, Sinless: as of those OF HEAVEN… the Holy Angels’.

So the verse is saying that truly sinful man will always be sinful - but a truly holy man remains HOLY, sinless, righteous!

And so Jesus was ‘AS OF THOSE OF Heaven’.

Read the previous verse and see that where it implies that Jesus CAME FROM HEAVEN, it really doesn’t read so credibly!!

Qualify this by Jesus saying that he was ‘GOING TO the Father’… he did not say he was ‘GOING BACK TO the Father’.

And, by the way, when you read that Jesus was SENT BY THE FATHER, do you know that this was AFTER JESUS passed the temptation in the wilderness??

Jesus was ONLY ENDOWED with the Spirit power of God AT HIS BAPTISM… (Acts 10:37-38).

So the two meanings are:

1. He was born of the Holy Spirit of God… and therefore a Son of God (Matthew, Luke)
2. He was adopted as Son of God and therefore is begotten of God (Hebrew 5:5)

When you say he was born of the holy spirit of God -- please explain what you mean by that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..where are you getting the words you say come from Jesus as reported?

The 3 synoptic Gospels.
Authors opinions are not authoritative, unless you make them so.
Who is John? The answer is, that we don't rightly know