What are the differences between God and Jesus Christ?

[muhammad_isa]

So this is what the Bible says and it’s different than what you believe. So how can you say I don’t worship the God of the Bible?

You just don't get it, do you..
Lots of people believe that "the Bible says" different than what you believe. There are many different creeds within Christianity.

It is all about interpretation.
I don't think that Almighty God judges us by what creed we follow.
As far as you're concerned, it must be YOUR creed, or God rejects you.
Hmmph !

 

[muhammad_isa]

OK, that's interesting because as I think about it, I know many Jews well (relatives as well as others), and many do not know or realize what the Law is, how to observe the Law, and what sin is.

I wouldn't have thought that had much to do with creed.
It seems many Christians don't see a difference between Jesus and God.
i.e. Jesus is God [ or His "Son" ]

I have noticed that these people claim that others aren't worshiping God if they don't believe in "their version" of Jesus.

Almighty God knows best about what people are worshiping.

Are we supposed to be worshiping an "essence" .. or YHWH,
who has no constituent parts/persons?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You just don't get it, do you..
Lots of people believe that "the Bible says" different than what you believe. There are many different creeds within Christianity.

I do get it, the Bible is clear, some people don’t like what it says.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The point of the conversation wasn’t to prove or disprove God, it was to see if we worship the same God or not. According to the Scriptures we don’t. I don’t need to prove God because I already know Him. Only people who haven’t met God need that proof.

IMHO anyone who worhips the God who is the creator of the universe worships the same God, regardless of what name for him they use, or what text they consider holy.

 

[Soapy]

..so if "spirits" are created, then from what are they created?
We know that they are not made of physical material.

In any case, the belief that spirits are created and destroyed goes against so many verses of the Bible, that it is difficult to justify, imo.

It is much more logical that spirits are immortal .. as is G-d.
Is the Holy Spirit immortal? Of course.
You saying that some spirits are immortal while others aren't is
just a claim.
Throwing Bible verses backwards and forwards, that "apparently"
agree with your belief, while ignoring ones that don't does not lead to a rational belief.

I do not understand you.

How do you say that Spirits are immortal if ‘God is the Father of Spirits’?

God CREATED the Spirits… How can the Spirits be immortal if they are CREATED.

Do not confuse ‘BECOME IMMORTAL’ with ‘ALWAYS WAS immortal’?

Jesus Christ BECAME IMMORTAL:

• “Let YHWH, the God of the spirits of all flesh, appoint a man over the congregation” (Numbers 27:16)
  
• ‘I am he who WAS DEAD, but AM NOW alive FOREVERMORE (immortal)’ (Rev 1:18)

And you ask an insane question such as, ‘What is Spirit made of?’

Such a thing is outside the scope of humanity. It is not something that a material mind can know! It is not a valid question…!!!

You just seem to be stressing the point of the theme that is being discussed. Why?

The Holy Spirit is the IMMORTAL SPIRIT of God BECAUSE GOD IS IMMORTAL. God is ETERNALLY GOD therefore his Spirit is also ETERNAL!!!

Man was not MADE as an immortal. He was made to aim for and to ACHIEVE IMMORTALITY.

Why are you being obstreperous?

 

[Soapy]

IMHO anyone who worhips the God who is the creator of the universe worships the same God, regardless of what name for him they use, or what text they consider holy.

This maybe so and I would agree in the main…. But there is also the factors of:

1. How you worship the one true God
2. Why you worship the one true God
3. When you worship the one true God

1) If the one true God is not worshipped in truth, Spirit, integrity, unselfishness, with piousness, with reverence… then does he accept your worship?

2) If you CLAIM to worship the one true God but only because you think you can gain an advantage over others or for gain (‘Please God, let me win the lotto!!’) then will God accept your worship?

3) If you only worship the one true God WHEN are in trouble or feeling down (you don’t feel the need to worship him when it’s fair weather!) then will God accept your worship?

…

 

[ElishaElijah]

IMHO anyone who worhips the God who is the creator of the universe worships the same God, regardless of what name for him they use, or what text they consider holy.

I don’t agree with that, I agree with Jesus Christ:

“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.””
‭‭John‬ ‭4:23-26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Where will you be?

I don’t care

 

[Soapy]

A system that kills infants is not glorified at all.

You are speaking from a human perspective.

God does not view things the way you are thinking.

Thats why God is God and Man is man!

God created humanity and so God can destroy humanity.

God can create children from inanimate stones…!

If something is cancerous then it needs to be destroyed else it will affect many others around it.

If God sees that the Spirit of the children of the wicked are as a cancer, that they will grow to be like or worse than their parents, then God has a right to destroy them.

If a component of a system is faulty to the end that it will fail and cause corruption in other parts of the system then the CREATOR of the system (or one authorised to oversee the system) can remove the defective component before it fails and causes damage to the rest of the system!

Do you disagree with the diagnosis and the prognosis and the solution to the above scenario?

 

[muhammad_isa]

And you ask an insane question such as, ‘What is Spirit made of?’

Not so insane, imo. We know what it's NOT made of.
i.e. physical material

Why are you being obstreperous?

..because I find this to and fro "chucking Bible verses at each other" to prove one's creed to be futile.
Ignoring some verses and quoting the ones that suit a person is dishonest, imo.

44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’
45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
-Matthew 25-

Looks like the Bible [ and Jesus ], agrees with me.
Spirits are indeed eternal, and we all have to face up to the reality of the nature of our souls, and what becomes of them after death.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don’t agree with that, I agree with Jesus Christ:

“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.””
‭‭John‬ ‭4:23-26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

If you were looking for a verse that claims that Christianity is the exclusive club, this wasn't it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

This maybe so and I would agree in the main…. But there is also the factors of:

1. How you worship the one true God

1. I dont' think God really cares how we worship him, so long as we don't harm others in the process. You want to recite prayers in Hebrew? That's fine. You want to speak in tongues? That's fine. You want to take a nature walk and feel his presence among the trees? That's fine.

   [*]Why you worship the one true God

   We worship God because God is by nature worthy of our awe, our worship, our love, and our obedience. If someone worships him in order to get to heaven, I don't think that's as good, but at the same time, I don't think God will hold it against them.

   [*]When you worship the one true God

   similarly, I don't think God cares about the when. You want to pray three times a day like a Jew? That's fine. Five times a day like a muslim? That's fine. God to church on Christmas and Easter? That's fine.

1) If the one true God is not worshipped in truth, Spirit, integrity, unselfishness, with piousness, with reverence… then does he accept your worship?

I think God accepts all worship directed towards him, and hear all prayers from all who pray.

2) If you CLAIM to worship the one true God but only because you think you can gain an advantage over others or for gain (‘Please God, let me win the lotto!!’) then will God accept your worship?

God does not hold our foolishness against us. We are fallable human beings and we do and say a lot of very silly things. But God loves us anyhow.

3) If you only worship the one true God WHEN are in trouble or feeling down (you don’t feel the need to worship him when it’s fair weather!) then will God accept your worship?

…

I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him. Just don't harm anyone in the process -- no human sacrifice and stuff.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wouldn't have thought that had much to do with creed.
It seems many Christians don't see a difference between Jesus and God.
i.e. Jesus is God [ or His "Son" ]

I have noticed that these people claim that others aren't worshiping God if they don't believe in "their version" of Jesus.

Almighty God knows best about what people are worshiping.

Are we supposed to be worshiping an "essence" .. or YHWH,
who has no constituent parts/persons?

Tonight I was listening to a cable program with a priest who was giving a sermon. He mentioned a couple of points that caught my interest. Specifically he highlighted the conversation Jesus had with the Saducees, a Jewish sect that was around during Jesus' time. I won't go into all of it, and I believe in the Bible, but I disagree with the priest's summation of what the discussion meant.

 

[YoursTrue]

1. I dont' think God really cares how we worship him, so long as we don't harm others in the process. You want to recite prayers in Hebrew? That's fine. You want to speak in tongues? That's fine. You want to take a nature walk and feel his presence among the trees? That's fine. We worship God because God is by nature worthy of our awe, our worship, our love, and our obedience. If someone worships him in order to get to heaven, I don't think that's as good, but at the same time, I don't think God will hold it against them.similarly, I don't think God cares about the when. You want to pray three times a day like a Jew? That's fine. Five times a day like a muslim? That's fine. God to church on Christmas and Easter? That's fine.

I think God accepts all worship directed towards him, and hear all prayers from all who pray.

God does not hold our foolishness against us. We are fallable human beings and we do and say a lot of very silly things. But God loves us anyhow.


I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him. Just don't harm anyone in the process -- no human sacrifice and stuff.

Interestingly, I was reading the book of Joshua lately and find it very instructive about the true God. (Yes, I consider the God of Israel the true God.) Joshua was saying that God would not like it if the Israelites were to worship or get involved with any other god but Him. Period. He didn't make any bones about it. Not only would He not like it if the nation of Israel would get involved with any other god, but He would take action.
P.S. I do believe that God hears the prayers of those who want to know Him.

 

[YoursTrue]

1. I dont' think God really cares how we worship him, so long as we don't harm others in the process. You want to recite prayers in Hebrew? That's fine. You want to speak in tongues? That's fine. You want to take a nature walk and feel his presence among the trees? That's fine. We worship God because God is by nature worthy of our awe, our worship, our love, and our obedience. If someone worships him in order to get to heaven, I don't think that's as good, but at the same time, I don't think God will hold it against them.similarly, I don't think God cares about the when. You want to pray three times a day like a Jew? That's fine. Five times a day like a muslim? That's fine. God to church on Christmas and Easter? That's fine.

I think God accepts all worship directed towards him, and hear all prayers from all who pray.

God does not hold our foolishness against us. We are fallable human beings and we do and say a lot of very silly things. But God loves us anyhow.


I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him. Just don't harm anyone in the process -- no human sacrifice and stuff.

No human sacrifice...I was reading about the Poles and the Nazis, and how non-Jewish Poles who supported the Jews against the Nazis were killed by the Nazis. Do I believe in a resurrection? Yes. Do I believe life will be better in the time of the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous? Yes, I do. Why do I believe it? Because -- it is written.

 

[Soapy]

1. I dont' think God really cares how we worship him, so long as we don't harm others in the process. You want to recite prayers in Hebrew? That's fine. You want to speak in tongues? That's fine. You want to take a nature walk and feel his presence among the trees? That's fine. We worship God because God is by nature worthy of our awe, our worship, our love, and our obedience. If someone worships him in order to get to heaven, I don't think that's as good, but at the same time, I don't think God will hold it against them.similarly, I don't think God cares about the when. You want to pray three times a day like a Jew? That's fine. Five times a day like a muslim? That's fine. God to church on Christmas and Easter? That's fine.

I think God accepts all worship directed towards him, and hear all prayers from all who pray.

God does not hold our foolishness against us. We are fallable human beings and we do and say a lot of very silly things. But God loves us anyhow.


I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him. Just don't harm anyone in the process -- no human sacrifice and stuff.

I feel sorry for you… for you flippancy towards the one true God.

I think you would pay more respect to the Queen of England - a human monarch - than to the almighty one true God - your creator!

 

[Soapy]

Tonight I was listening to a cable program with a priest who was giving a sermon. He mentioned a couple of points that caught my interest. Specifically he highlighted the conversation Jesus had with the Saducees, a Jewish sect that was around during Jesus' time. I won't go into all of it, and I believe in the Bible, but I disagree with the priest's summation of what the discussion meant.

You don’t say what the discussion was that you disagree with.

 

[Soapy]

I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him….

I think you will find that what you said is very much untrue!!!

Almighty God accepts worship that is venerates him; that glorifies him; that Justifies him.

In the present era, all worship TO Almighty God is carried out THROUGH the Son, Jesus Christ… all worship must be IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

But do not misunderstand… ‘In the name of Jesus Christ’ does not mean simply saying ‘… in the name of Jesus Christ’ at the end of a prayer!

It means that the worshipful prayer must be:

• In integrity
• In holiness
• In unselfishness
• In piety
• In reverence
• In honesty
• In truthfulness
• In penance desire for forgiveness for our sins
• …

This is what ‘the name of Jesus Christ’ represents.

So you say that all worshipfulness is acceptable to God…. NO! Not if they are not carried out according to the definition of ‘name of Jesus Christ’.

Now you mention fallibility - And, of course this is allowed for IN THE FILTERING that Jesus Christ does before he passes our prayers to his God and Father.

God, himself, would not allow anything less to reach his ethereal ears. Just as a great king or judge has intermediatories to hear the pleas of defendants in a court case. These lawyers, solicitors, etc., make sure no unworthy pleas or misintegrity reaches the king/judges ears.
Also, many a time the kings/judges ruling needs to be reinterpreted by these intermediatories so the defendant can understand it.
Jesus is akin to the intermediatary between God (the king and judge) and Man (the plea bargainer!).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I feel sorry for you… for you flippancy towards the one true God.

I think you would pay more respect to the Queen of England - a human monarch - than to the almighty one true God - your creator!

Flippant? I think you chose the wrong word. My views do not show any flippancy.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I think you will find that what you said is very much untrue!!!

Almighty God accepts worship that is venerates him; that glorifies him; that Justifies him.

In the present era, all worship TO Almighty God is carried out THROUGH the Son, Jesus Christ… all worship must be IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

But do not misunderstand… ‘In the name of Jesus Christ’ does not mean simply saying ‘… in the name of Jesus Christ’ at the end of a prayer!

It means that the worshipful prayer must be:

• In integrity
• In holiness
• In unselfishness
• In piety
• In reverence
• In honesty
• In truthfulness
• In penance desire for forgiveness for our sins
• …

This is what ‘the name of Jesus Christ’ represents.

So you say that all worshipfulness is acceptable to God…. NO! Not if they are not carried out according to the definition of ‘name of Jesus Christ’.

Now you mention fallibility - And, of course this is allowed for IN THE FILTERING that Jesus Christ does before he passes our prayers to his God and Father.

God, himself, would not allow anything less to reach his ethereal ears. Just as a great king or judge has intermediatories to hear the pleas of defendants in a court case. These lawyers, solicitors, etc., make sure no unworthy pleas or misintegrity reaches the king/judges ears.
Also, many a time the kings/judges ruling needs to be reinterpreted by these intermediatories so the defendant can understand it.
Jesus is akin to the intermediatary between God (the king and judge) and Man (the plea bargainer!).

If we are going to get picky, it would be the use of something as a stand in for God, such as a man Jesus, that would be unacceptable. It's no different than saying there is One God, but that it is the sun.

But I'm being very gracious here, and noting that Christians worship the Creator, meaning that they worship the same God as us, despite their errors of theology.