What are the differences between God and Jesus Christ?

[lostwanderingsoul]

Yes, you are the FATHER of THAT Pinocchio puppet.

YOU created IT.

You animated it… (if you follow the story book).

You gave it LIFE.

Father, means: ‘He who brings into being that which was not already in being (existing); He who gives life; The Creator’

But, of course, Pinocchio has already been given life by the CREATOR of the story (Carlo Collodi) and, in the story, by the carpenter( Geppetto).

Why are you stressing the point…?

I think there is a difference between creating something like a puppet and fathering something like a son.

 

[YoursTrue]

You don’t say what the discussion was that you disagree with.

He asserted, for one thing, that the soul is immortal when discussing the question the Saducees brought up about Levirate marriage to Jesus.

 

[YoursTrue]

If we are going to get picky, it would be the use of something as a stand in for God, such as a man Jesus, that would be unacceptable. It's no different than saying there is One God, but that it is the sun.

But I'm being very gracious here, and noting that Christians worship the Creator, meaning that they worship the same God as us, despite their errors of theology.

Let me put it this way, IndigoChild--"God," THE God of Israel, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, made it very, very clear that He alone is the one God to be served and obeyed and worshipped. He warned the nation continually through the prophets and the WRITTEN Law of Moses, which is documented to this day. With continual warnings after that. They were to put no other God, no matter how they defined it, before Him. I won't go any further about the temple, when it was ransacked and the terrible hostilities going on now.

 

[YoursTrue]

1. I dont' think God really cares how we worship him, so long as we don't harm others in the process. You want to recite prayers in Hebrew? That's fine. You want to speak in tongues? That's fine. You want to take a nature walk and feel his presence among the trees? That's fine. We worship God because God is by nature worthy of our awe, our worship, our love, and our obedience. If someone worships him in order to get to heaven, I don't think that's as good, but at the same time, I don't think God will hold it against them.similarly, I don't think God cares about the when. You want to pray three times a day like a Jew? That's fine. Five times a day like a muslim? That's fine. God to church on Christmas and Easter? That's fine.

I think God accepts all worship directed towards him, and hear all prayers from all who pray.

God does not hold our foolishness against us. We are fallable human beings and we do and say a lot of very silly things. But God loves us anyhow.


I don't see why not. Like I said, he accepts all worship directed towards him. Just don't harm anyone in the process -- no human sacrifice and stuff.

Not sure what you mean. First of all, "all worship directed towards him" is what? If religious teachings other than what He said is OK, then why not just for you go to another religion? If He accepted "all worship" that you think is directed towards him...You're talking about human sacrifice...any time someone is killed by bomb in an act of war that's human sacrifice.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wouldn't have thought that had much to do with creed.
It seems many Christians don't see a difference between Jesus and God.
i.e. Jesus is God [ or His "Son" ]

I have noticed that these people claim that others aren't worshiping God if they don't believe in "their version" of Jesus.

Almighty God knows best about what people are worshiping.

Are we supposed to be worshiping an "essence" .. or YHWH,
who has no constituent parts/persons?

Either one believes the law of Moses (basically the 10 commandments) came from the true God, or they do not. Yes, it is true that many who claim to worship God correctly will say others will not be saved if they dont worship they same way. By that I mean if they don't accept the creeds they do. It's kind of a mixed up story. That is why it is important for one's mind and salvation to understand what is written and being taught. When Jesus was on the earth he taught his disciples to pray for God's kingdom to come. I'll just mention that. The thing is, what do people believe about that kingdom? Is it something within one's heart? Is it a real government (kingdom)?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Let me put it this way, IndigoChild--"God," THE God of Israel, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, made it very, very clear that He alone is the one God to be served and obeyed and worshipped. He warned the nation continually through the prophets and the WRITTEN Law of Moses, which is documented to this day. With continual warnings after that. They were to put no other God, no matter how they defined it, before Him. I won't go any further about the temple, when it was ransacked and the terrible hostilities going on now.

I haven't said that God is anyone other than what and who he is. I'm simply saying that because there is only one God, anyone who prays to or worships this one God is worshiping the SAME God, regardless of what name they call him by or what manner of worship they use. What was forbidden to the Israelites was polytheism, because polytheism fractures the divine into different pieces.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Not sure what you mean. First of all, "all worship directed towards him" is what? If religious teachings other than what He said is OK, then why not just for you go to another religion? If He accepted "all worship" that you think is directed towards him...You're talking about human sacrifice...any time someone is killed by bomb in an act of war that's human sacrifice.

Doctrine is not the same as worship. I think people can have mixed up notions about God, but still successfully worship him.

If I'm not mistaken, I did say that he needed to be worshiped in a way that did not harm people. That would exclude human sacrifice.

Thus, no Jesus, since God does not accept human sacrifice.

And no, being killed in a war or by a bomb is NOT sacrifice.

 

[Soapy]

Flippant? I think you chose the wrong word. My views do not show any flippancy.

You don’t think that saying that God accepts any kind of worship as long as it doesn’t harm others, is not reverent?

• “Do not worship the LORD your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods.” (Deut 12:4)

Did God accept the worship from Cain? Wasn’t Cain worshipping God in a non-acceptable wag by offering his sacrifice that was not pure? He “wasn’t hurting others”, was he?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Doctrine is not the same as worship. I think people can have mixed up notions about God, but still successfully worship him..

I would agree.
Naturally, it depends how far one wanders away from mainstream creeds..
Spiritually speaking, there is light, and there is darkness .. and all shades of grey in between

 

[muhammad_isa]

..He “wasn’t hurting others”, was he?

Debatable .. there was clearly something wrong .. he murdered his brother

 

[Sand Dancer]

OT God regrets flooding the earth and NT God kills just about the entire population AFTER Junior fixes sin. Arguably NT God is more sociopathic.

Can you give me scripture references? I admit I am rusty when it comes to Bible reading.

 

[YoursTrue]

I haven't said that God is anyone other than what and who he is. I'm simply saying that because there is only one God, anyone who prays to or worships this one God is worshiping the SAME God, regardless of what name they call him by or what manner of worship they use. What was forbidden to the Israelites was polytheism, because polytheism fractures the divine into different pieces.

That one God you talk about warned and warned Israel, telling THEM, the Israelites, not to worship any god but him. But they didn't listen for the most part.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That one God you talk about warned and warned Israel, telling THEM, the Israelites, not to worship any god but him. But they didn't listen for the most part.

The "other gods" Israel was warned not to worship were polytheistic idols, representations of natural forces and ideas. They were not the creator of the universe.

If I am Lakota and worship The Great Spirit, I'm not worshiping "some other god." I'm worshiping the Creator, and there is only one Creator. Call him by whatever name you wish.

 

[Soapy]

Debatable .. there was clearly something wrong .. he murdered his brother

You are trying to escape the point. The point was that Cain’s WORSHIP of God was NOT ACCEPTABLE.

This goes against what you suggested.

 

[Soapy]

The "other gods" Israel was warned not to worship were polytheistic idols, representations of natural forces and ideas. They were not the creator of the universe.

If I am Lakota and worship The Great Spirit, I'm not worshiping "some other god." I'm worshiping the Creator, and there is only one Creator. Call him by whatever name you wish.

What you say SOUNDS true IF you worship the ‘Creator’ God in the manner that is according to the commands of the one true God.

The scriptures reveals that a nation of people acknowledged an ‘Unknown God’ whom some of they’d citizens worshipped. This God, the apostle Peter identified as YHWH, the God He worshipped - and he congratulated them that they did so!

I get what you are saying but caution anyone reading this that they must be sure that ultimately it does transpire it is the SAME ONE TRUE GOD….

As the famous saying can be paraphrased:

• “The one true God by any other name is still the one true God’. Or…
• ‘YHWH by any other name is still YHWH’

But, again, make sure that ultimately, IT IS YHWH…. by his ONLY NAME!!

 

[muhammad_isa]

..The point was that Cain’s WORSHIP of God was NOT ACCEPTABLE.

..and why do you think that was?

 

[Soapy]

..and why do you think that was?

‘I don’t know’… what do you think?

 

[muhammad_isa]

‘I don’t know’… what do you think?

I think it was because of his intentions..
If our intentions aren't purely for the sake of G-d, then our deeds are not acceptable.

 

[Soapy]

I think it was because of his intentions..
If our intentions aren't purely for the sake of G-d, then our deeds are not acceptable.

So your claim that all worship is acceptable was false then!

I don’t think anyone should have to go to debate to see that ‘Not all worship’ is acceptable to God.

By the way, ‘GOD’ is just a TITLE. It is like ‘King’, ‘Majesty’, ‘Sir’, ‘Judge’, etc. There is no need to be fearful of writing a TITLE unlike what you do in writing ‘G-D’.

What you should fear is USING the NAME (‘YHWH’) or whatever you want to call THE ONE TRUE GOD in an irreverent way.

I think I know you won’t change your view AND it doesn’t matter TO the one true GOD, but I just want you to know that you need not fear writing ‘GOD’ instead of ‘G-D’. But if you do feel you are somehow deriding THE ONE TRUE GOD by writing ‘GOD’, then you thinking is WRONG! It means your are fearing the TITLE rather than the PERSON attached to the TITLE.

You don’t write:

• ‘S-r’
• ‘K-ng’
• ‘M-st-r’
• ‘G-n-r-l’
• ‘Q—-n’
• ‘M-j-sty’

The word ‘God’ is just a TITLE like those above.

 

[Soapy]

That one God you talk about warned and warned Israel, telling THEM, the Israelites, not to worship any god but him. But they didn't listen for the most part.

Your True, I don’t know if there is anything I disagree with what else you say but here you are perfectly correct.

Anyone, everyone, reading the scriptures with understanding should see that what you said is right.

If they disagree then it must be queried as to what else they are getting so wrong that is of greater detail.

The one true God indeed to the Israelites that:

• they should believe that He and He alone is their God…
• that he and he alone created all things….
• That they are not to worship any other God but him…
• that those ‘others’ who are called ‘God’ and ‘Gods’, were mere figment of pagan minds…

and He proved it to them over and over…

These people who are disputing the true word of the scriptures cannot be reading the same scriptures as we are…. Maybe they are just here at the instigation of satanic forces hoping to mislead vulnerable ones.

Or maybe they get a buzz from posting nonsense because they have nothing else to do.

But persevere and post the truth … maybe there is someone out there who is waiting to see the true word - and it might come from your posting.