What are your thoughts about the Catholic Church?

[MJFlores]

So, is it the fault of such people that they "do not know God, not even the bible, not even the Lord Jesus"? Are such people condemned by God, iyo?

Do they have pure consciences?

God will be the judge of that. I'm sure he knows what they thoughts, their deeds and their hearts.

would not God have discovered it, since he knows the secrets of the heart? Psalm 44:21

 

[MJFlores]

But the Bible says one must believe in Christ in order to be saved. Are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. who have heard of Christ but remain in other religions going to be saved if they are otherwise good people? (Don't try to read my beliefs into the question, please, as I can assure you it won't get you anywhere. Just respond as honestly as you can.)

Non Christians, so called Christians, Atheists etc.

I believe God will judge them accordingly.
That is my honest opinion.

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

 

[Katzpur]

Non Christians, so called Christians, Atheists etc.

I believe God will judge them accordingly.
That is my honest opinion.

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

Thank you.

 

[metis]

Do they have pure consciences?

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God will be the judge of that. I'm sure he knows what they thoughts, their deeds and their hearts.

would not God have discovered it, since he knows the secrets of the heart? Psalm 44:21

Are you sure it's not "Gods"?

 

[columbus]

God will be the judge of that. I'm sure he knows what they thoughts, their deeds and their hearts.

It is not God saying this.
As usual, it's some human claiming to speak for God. It's always that way.
Tom

 

[Shad]

To be fair, for it to stay out of politics would be a major departure from what it's done for its entire history. We're talking about a church that used to rule a country directly... and not just a pretend country like Vatican City; the Papal States really were countries in their own right.

I know. However running of it's own state does not mean it must interfere in other nations politics nor create political alliances against different nations. For example Paul IV nationalism created a driving need to drive the Hapsburgs from Naples. This coloured his views of the Hapsburgs yet they were the major supporter of Catholic Church of the time. There is also political blindness in the case of excommunicating Elizabeth I. Europe's major powers either had no power or interest in removing her. For the Hapsburgs (split at this point) Elizabeth I in power was a check to keep Mary Queen of Scots off the throne of Scotland and England, and her children from the throne of France. In the end the only effects the excommunication had was the oppression of English Catholics as now they were traitors by definition (of the English) and the death of hundred. Elizabeth had more people put to death for their religious view than her sister so-called bloody Mary.

The had been a conflict over the standing of the Papal States since the 9th century. The opposing view is that the Papal States, thus the Pope, were vassals under the successor state of Charlemagne's Empire now know as the Holy Roman Empire. More so due to the conflict over what an Christian Emperor was.

While the fact that the Holy See has ambassadors to various countries that get treated like foreign diplomats is anachronistic and offensive, it does make a degree of sense, given the history of the Church. It's just another denomination now, but there was a time when it had a legitimate place in politics... or at least as legitimate a place as an absolutist monarchy can have.

No it's power in politic solely dependent upon when and if various European powers accepted it and typical what said powers would gain for centuries. The days of the Papacy being a legitimate politic power was over by the 12th century as it become a pawn of various family houses and European thrones.

The above is what I mean about the RCC involvement in politics

 

[MJFlores]

It is not God saying this.
As usual, it's some human claiming to speak for God. It's always that way.
Tom

Heb 9:27

And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment,

That would take place in the day of judgment. I think everyone will give account on the things we did when we were living. It doesn't matter if a person is a cannibal in some jungle in Papua New Guinea

or a stockbroker from New York

 

[England my lionheart]

My thoughts on the catholic church,its one of pity for all those people who die from stds and products of unwanted pregnancies ie children and the priests that prey on them.

 

[metis]

My thoughts on the catholic church,its one of pity for all those people who die from stds and products of unwanted pregnancies ie children and the priests that prey on them.

While you're at it, could you maybe get into the many atrocities committed by the English crown and their subordinates over the centuries? Maybe how they took colonies and killed so many indigenous-- just for starters? Maybe how they drained resources from these colonies and brought them back to England?

And then we can go on from there.

 

[England my lionheart]

While you're at it, could you maybe get into the many atrocities committed by the English crown and their subordinates over the centuries? Maybe how they took colonies and killed so many indigenous-- just for starters? Maybe how they drained resources from these colonies and brought them back to England?

And then we can go on from there.

Agree,plenty of atrocities and many in the name of the church which was catholic at the time but for sure we have a very dark past but the catholic church has pretty much the same all its existence.

 

[metis]

Agree,plenty of atrocities and many in the name of the church which was catholic at the time

It was the Anglican, not the Catholic chuch.

for sure we have a very dark past but the catholic church has pretty much the same all its existence.

Simply not true.

Which denomination does your church belong to, btw?

 

[England my lionheart]

It was the Anglican, not the Catholic chuch.

Simply not true.

Lol,"it wasn't me it was my brother",the pope at the time of the crusades,the pope at the time of the inquisition were anglican?.

Which denomination does your church belong to, btw?

None

 

[metis]

Which denomination does your church belong to, btw?

None

Independent church? Don't go to church?
BTW, you might want to check out more of the real history of the CC, so here: Catholic Church - Wikipedia

Also, here's a link for you to actually find out some things about the Anglican Church that you seemingly don't understand is the state church of the UK, including England: Anglican Communion - Wikipedia

 

[England my lionheart]

Independent church? Don't go to church?
BTW, you might want to check out more of the real history of the CC, so here: Catholic Church - Wikipedia

No religion or belief,i think i know enough of the history of the cc to not need wikipedia.

Also, here's a link for you to actually find out some things about the Anglican Church that you seemingly don't understand is the state church of the UK, including England: Anglican Communion - Wikipedia

The church of England anglicans or any strain of protestant has nothing to do with my thoughts on the cc,that was the question right?,i wasn't as hard as i could be,catholicism is working its magic in places like south america.

 

[leibowde84]

Heb 9:27

And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment,

That would take place in the day of judgment. I think everyone will give account on the things we did when we were living. It doesn't matter if a person is a cannibal in some jungle in Papua New Guinea

or a stockbroker from New York

So, it wasn't God saying it, as God did not write the book of Hebrews. Really we have no idea who actually wrote Hebrews. Many think it was Paul the Apostle. Some say Luke. Some say Apollos or Priscilla. We really have absolutely no way of know who wrote it attempting to put words in God's mouth.

 

[metis]

The church of England anglicans or any strain of protestant has nothing to do with my thoughts on the cc,that was the question right?,i wasn't as hard as i could be,catholicism is working its magic in places like south america.

Here's the problem I have with your posts on the CC, namely that it's all too easy to criticize someone else's religious institution while offering nothing about your own. Just about every time I run across people who attack different religions or denominations, when I ask them what's theirs, they won't answer.

IOW, they offer up only destructive criticism of someone else's faith, but never of their own.

 

[England my lionheart]

Here's the problem I have with your posts on the CC, namely that it's all too easy to criticize someone else's religious institution while offering nothing about your own. Just about every time I run across people who attack different religions or denominations, when I ask them what's theirs, they won't answer.

IOW, they offer up only destructive criticism of someone else's faith, but never of their own.

which part are you struggling with,i have no faith or religion,if you feel the need to criticise i support Arsenal,happy?.

 

[MJFlores]

So, it wasn't God saying it, as God did not write the book of Hebrews. Really we have no idea who actually wrote Hebrews. Many think it was Paul the Apostle. Some say Luke. Some say Apollos or Priscilla. We really have absolutely no way of know who wrote it attempting to put words in God's mouth.

One of the apostles who preached in Israel and Judea.

Paul the Apostle, preached in the Gentile lands so it could not be him.

 

[leibowde84]

One of the apostles who preached in Israel and Judea.

Paul the Apostle, preached in the Gentile lands so it could not be him.

How do we even know that it was one of the Apostles? It could have been someone else claiming to be an apostle, right?

 

[syo]

the catholic church has some differences with the orthodox church, but the two churches have similar points too. it's good that the two churches have stopped fighting.