What are your thoughts about the Catholic Church?

[metis]

Really,think about it,preventions better than cure,catholics in some of the poorest places have unwanted children and stds that can't be cured or fed which may mean orphaned children running the gauntlet in an orphanage run by perverted priests who,if they survive, start the cycle once again.

What a pathetic piece of bigoted trash the above is, and our conversation is now finished.

 

[leibowde84]

It is true that those you do not know God's law, have a law of good and evil written in their hearts. But the question is, did they obey what was written in their hearts?

Romans 3:9-12 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

So are we Jews better than other people? No, we have already said that those who are Jews, as well as those who are not Jews, are the same. They are all guilty of sin. As the Scriptures (Psalm 14:1-3) say,

“There is no one doing what is right,
not even one.
There is no one who understands.
There is no one who is trying to be with God.
They have all turned away from him,
and now they are of no use to anyone.
There is no one who does good,
not even one.”

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Psalm 53:2-3 New International Version (NIV)

God looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.

When God said that I pretty sure he is talking about everybody. So how can be righteous in the sight of God is another matter. This thread is about what are my thoughts about the Catholic Church so would re-direct:

“For fifty years after St. Paul’s life a curtain hangs over the church, through which we strive vainly to look; and when at last it rises about 120 A.D. with the writings of the earliest church-fathers, we find a church in many aspects very different from that in the days of St. Peter and St. Paul.” (The Story of the Christian Church, p. 41)

What about sociopaths who's section of the brain that creates empathy did not develop properly?

 

[MJFlores]

You are peddling falsehood.

Vatican II says that "the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching firmly, faithfully, and without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation" (Dei Verbum 11).

] ‘Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.

People ask if everything Catholics believe is found in the Bible. The answer? Both “yes” and “no.” The Church “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the Holy Scriptures alone” (Catechism of the Catholic Church [CCC] no. 82 Dei Verbum 9).

Bible at Core of Catholic Beliefs

Msgr. J. Brian Bransfield Elected General Secretary of U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

 

[MJFlores]

There is no such thing as 'born a Catholic', one is not baptized a Catholic, one is baptized a Christian, the only way to enter membership in the Catholic Church.

Sure there are. Once the baby is out, the hospital gives out a form for the parents to fill out and sign after that it is off to the civil registry. It is up to the parents to disclose what the baby's religion is based on the parent's religion. If the parents are Catholic the baby is Catholic. The recovering mother doesn't need to visit the local registry to have it done.

Afterwards when she already recovered from giving birth, the child baptism may commence. They have to pay for it. It varies and you need at least 2 godparents.

 

[MJFlores]

False,, and ev3n most Protestant theologians that I have read or heard say that Peter was in "Babylonia", which is feminine and was a symbol for Rome. Irenaeus and Clement mention Peter dying in Rome in a mutual conversation written just after 100 c.e.. There simply is not any piece of evidence that Peter died in Rome.

My point exactly.

IT IS CLEAR from the Bible that the first century Church of Christ was led by the apostles and assisted by other ministers of the Gospel. Local churches were led by bishops, deacons and even deaconesses. However, nowhere in the Bible we can read that the whole Church was led by a “pope.”

In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ will never establish an office having a title of a “pope” and will never call any of His apostles and disciples as “pope” because He Himself said:

“But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:8-9 NKJV)

Christ explicitly said, “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” The word "pope" means "father." Thus, it is only right to conclude that the Lord Jesus Christ never called and made Apostle Peter as “pope.”

When Apostle Paul mentioned the “offices” that the Lord God appointed inside the Church, he never mentioned the “office of the pope”:

“Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?” (I Corinthians 12:27-29 NKJV)

In Ephesians 4:11-12, Apostle Paul mentioned again the primary offices appointed inside the Church, but still, no “pope”:

“And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.” (Ephesians 4:11-12 NKJV)

In the leadership of the local churches, Apostle Paul mentioned the office of the “bishops” and “deacons,” still no “pope”:

“This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
“Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.” (I Timothy 3:1-2, 8-9 NKJV)

Thus, it is a fact that nowhere in the Bible we can read that the whole Church is led by a “pope,” It is very unlikely that the “office” which is very important and significant to the Roman Catholic Church will never be mentioned in the New Testament, the book containing the history of the first century Church of Christ, while the Roman Catholic Church claims that they are the one true Church, the true Church of Christ.

The “office of the pope” is the most important office inside the Roman Catholic Church because for them the “pope” is the head of their church.The Bible never mentioned the “office of the pope” because the head of the one true Church or the Church of the Bible is not the pope but the Lord Jesus Christ:

“For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23 NKJV)

The fact that the “office of the pope” doesn’t exist in the first century and never mentioned by the Bible clearly proves that the Roman Catholic Church is not the Church of the Bible but a different institution. Actually, the “office of the pope” came a little later:

“The title pope (papa) was, as has been stated, at one time employed with far more latitude. In the East, it has always been used to designate simple priests. The Western Church, however, it seems from the beginning to have been restricted to bishops (Tertullian, ‘De Pud’ xiii). It was apparently in the fourth century that it began to become a distinctive title of the Roman pontiff...Gregory VIII finally prescribed that it should be confined to the successors of Peter.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913, vol. xii, p. 272.)

At first, the title “pope” was employed with a far more latitude, that it was used to designate simple priests. In seems in the Western Church that from the beginning, the title “pope” has been restricted to bishops. It was apparently in the fourth century that it began to become a distinctive title of the Roman pontiff.

Truly, the Church of the Bible has no “pope” and this proves that the Roman Catholic Church is a different institution from the first century Church of Christ, from the Church of Christ of the Bible.

 

[MJFlores]

What about sociopaths who's section of the brain that creates empathy did not develop properly?

How about a child who is a week old and died?
God knows what to do.

 

[leibowde84]

How about a child who is a week old and died?
God knows what to do.

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That is completely random. Can you answer my question without resorting to "God knows what to do"?

 

[pearl]

People ask if everything Catholics believe is found in the Bible. The answer? Both “yes” and “no.”

"It is important to note that only Scripture is defined in terms of what it is: it is stated that Scripture is the word of God consigned to writing. Tradition, however, is described only functionally, in terms of what it does: it hands on the word of God, but is not the word of God."

Once the baby is out, the hospital gives out a form for the parents to fill out and sign after that it is off to the civil registry.

A civil action, nothing to do with the Church or baptism into Christ.

 

[MJFlores]

That is completely random. Can you answer my question without resorting to "God knows what to do"?

A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

I'm sure they have the knowledge of what is good and evil - hence will be judged accordingly.

 

[MJFlores]

"It is important to note that only Scripture is defined in terms of what it is: it is stated that Scripture is the word of God consigned to writing. Tradition, however, is described only functionally, in terms of what it does: it hands on the word of God, but is not the word of God."

I think it is better to approach the Monsignor and tell that to him than me.

Msgr. J. Brian Bransfield Elected General Secretary of U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sure there are. Once the baby is out, the hospital gives out a form for the parents to fill out and sign after that it is off to the civil registry. It is up to the parents to disclose what the baby's religion is based on the parent's religion. If the parents are Catholic the baby is Catholic. The recovering mother doesn't need to visit the local registry to have it done.

Afterwards when she already recovered from giving birth, the child baptism may commence. They have to pay for it. It varies and you need at least 2 godparents.

1. You get baptized at infancy to be christian.

2. You go to RCIA class where children learn about scripture, christ body, his sacraments, and their role in the Church and service to humanity.

3. Then after that you go through the sacraments such as repentance and communion, and then when god parent and child are ready, they confirm their vows to be christian in the Church.

4. Then they became Catholic at Easter Vigil when the child takes communion for the first time with the body of christ.

Not at birth. It's a year long journey and life long sacrament.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My point exactly.

IT IS CLEAR from the Bible that the first century Church of Christ was led by the apostles and assisted by other ministers of the Gospel. Local churches were led by bishops, deacons and even deaconesses. However, nowhere in the Bible we can read that the whole Church was led by a “pope.”

In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ will never establish an office having a title of a “pope” and will never call any of His apostles and disciples as “pope” because He Himself said:

“But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:8-9 NKJV)

Christ explicitly said, “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” The word "pope" means "father." Thus, it is only right to conclude that the Lord Jesus Christ never called and made Apostle Peter as “pope.”

When Apostle Paul mentioned the “offices” that the Lord God appointed inside the Church, he never mentioned the “office of the pope”:

“Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?” (I Corinthians 12:27-29 NKJV)

In Ephesians 4:11-12, Apostle Paul mentioned again the primary offices appointed inside the Church, but still, no “pope”:

“And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.” (Ephesians 4:11-12 NKJV)

In the leadership of the local churches, Apostle Paul mentioned the office of the “bishops” and “deacons,” still no “pope”:

“This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
“Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.” (I Timothy 3:1-2, 8-9 NKJV)

Thus, it is a fact that nowhere in the Bible we can read that the whole Church is led by a “pope,” It is very unlikely that the “office” which is very important and significant to the Roman Catholic Church will never be mentioned in the New Testament, the book containing the history of the first century Church of Christ, while the Roman Catholic Church claims that they are the one true Church, the true Church of Christ.

The “office of the pope” is the most important office inside the Roman Catholic Church because for them the “pope” is the head of their church.The Bible never mentioned the “office of the pope” because the head of the one true Church or the Church of the Bible is not the pope but the Lord Jesus Christ:

“For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23 NKJV)

The fact that the “office of the pope” doesn’t exist in the first century and never mentioned by the Bible clearly proves that the Roman Catholic Church is not the Church of the Bible but a different institution. Actually, the “office of the pope” came a little later:

“The title pope (papa) was, as has been stated, at one time employed with far more latitude. In the East, it has always been used to designate simple priests. The Western Church, however, it seems from the beginning to have been restricted to bishops (Tertullian, ‘De Pud’ xiii). It was apparently in the fourth century that it began to become a distinctive title of the Roman pontiff...Gregory VIII finally prescribed that it should be confined to the successors of Peter.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913, vol. xii, p. 272.)

At first, the title “pope” was employed with a far more latitude, that it was used to designate simple priests. In seems in the Western Church that from the beginning, the title “pope” has been restricted to bishops. It was apparently in the fourth century that it began to become a distinctive title of the Roman pontiff.

Truly, the Church of the Bible has no “pope” and this proves that the Roman Catholic Church is a different institution from the first century Church of Christ, from the Church of Christ of the Bible.

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Here's another thing. Are the verses you quoted in the Catholic Bible?
If not, explain that to me.

If so, are you saying Catholics are going against their own bible?

 

[pearl]

I think it is better to approach the Monsignor and tell that to him than me.

Since the quote is from Pope Benedict XVI in his commentary on Dei Verbum, Chapter 2, I'm not concerned with what the Monsignor said.

 

[MJFlores]

1. You get baptized at infancy to be christian.

2. You go to RCIA class where children learn about scripture, christ body, his sacraments, and their role in the Church and service to humanity.

3. Then after that you go through the sacraments such as repentance and communion, and then when god parent and child are ready, they confirm their vows to be christian in the Church.

4. Then they became Catholic at Easter Vigil when the child takes communion for the first time with the body of christ.

Not at birth. It's a year long journey and life long sacrament.

So at first an infant is an atheist?

Or an infant belongs to the religion of one's parent?

Yes one of the Catholic sacraments is infant baptism. The infant has no choice actually. I had no choice when I had the infant baptism.

Then the Catholic confirmation.

 

[MJFlores]

Since the quote is from Pope Benedict XVI in his commentary on Dei Verbum, Chapter 2, I'm not concerned with what the Monsignor said.

The one who quit as pope?

Well, I quoted from someone who did not resigned.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So at first an infant is an atheist?

Or an infant belongs to the religion of one's parent?

Yes one of the Catholic sacraments is infant baptism. The infant has no choice actually. I had no choice when I had the infant baptism.

Then the Catholic confirmation.

Yes. One is an atheist at infancy. In Christianity, they have inherited sin.

Baptism initiates a person to become christian. Infants first get baptized. When they grow older, they start to get education of scripture and the Church. Nowadays here Catholics can read their bibles. They repent and say their vows that they want to be in the body of christ (at Mass). They go to their first communion and take the Eucharist-the heart of the Church-for the first time.

Then they are Catholic. To be part of the Church is a year long initiation process. One is a christian at baptism.

 

[MJFlores]

Here's another thing. Are the verses you quoted in the Catholic Bible?
If not, explain that to me.

If so, are you saying Catholics are going against their own bible?

Yep, they are also in the Catholic bible and yes they are going against their own bible.

Facinating isn't it?

Matthew 23:8-9 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven.

1 Corinthians 12:27-29New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

Ephesians 4:11-12New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

1 Timothy 3:1-2New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher,

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yep, they are also in the Catholic bible and yes they are going against their own bible.

Facinating isn't it?

Matthew 23:8-9 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven.

1 Corinthians 12:27-29New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

Ephesians 4:11-12New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

The gifts he gave were that some would be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

1 Timothy 3:1-2New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher,

That is weird. All of their teachings are based on the Bible. The difference between Catholics and non Catholic non liturgical churches is they dont live (the latter) the bible. That is what Catholics do. They live the physical teachings of the bible. To say Catholics are going against their own bible is like saying they are no longer the body of christ. When I was Catholic and you'd told me that, that would be an insult. Many Catholics are private in their worship to christ. The Church, as @pcarl says "hands out" scripture. The Church isn't scripture. My words. Catholics live the Bible. Quoting it does nothing. Sharing experiences about the body of Christ means more.

If you can't speak about christ in your own words, how do I know you are in the body of christ? Also, if you are not baptised, to Catholics you are not christian. Reading the bible and saying your prayers does not make you a christian. All christian churches have the sacraments of christ.

Whether you realize that or not depends on how you view the churches. It's not hard if you are a christian to see the body of christ. Once you divide them up, it's no longer a body. You tear the heart of jesus.

 

[MJFlores]

That is weird. All of their teachings are based on the Bible. The difference between Catholics and non Catholic non liturgical churches is they dont live (the latter) the bible. That is what Catholics do. They live the physical teachings of the bible. To say Catholics are going against their own bible is like saying they are no longer the body of christ. When I was Catholic and you'd told me that, that would be an insult. Many Catholics are private in their worship to christ. The Church, as @pcarl says "hands out" scripture. The Church isn't scripture. My words. Catholics live the Bible. Quoting it does nothing. Sharing experiences about the body of Christ means more.

If you can't speak about christ in your own words, how do I know you are in the body of christ? Also, if you are not baptised, to Catholics you are not christian. Reading the bible and saying your prayers does not make you a christian. All christian churches have the sacraments of christ.

Whether you realize that or not depends on how you view the churches. It's not hard if you are a christian to see the body of christ. Once you divide them up, it's no longer a body. You tear the heart of jesus.

Not my own words, sis. No interpretation, just read and then think. From the Bible - even the Catholic Bible

Matthew 23:8-9
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven.

1 Timothy 3:1-2
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher,

 

[pearl]

Well, I quoted from someone who did not resigned.

There is no contradiction. Do you know what a commentary is, it is further explanation. The Bible you quote is a product of the Church. For an intro into the origins of the Roman church in NT times, Jewish/Gentile Christianity, begin with 1Clement (AD 96) where he writes of Peter and Paul in Rome. The more you post concerning the Catholic Church the more you illustrate your lack of knowledge.