What came before the Big Bang?

[SkepticThinker]

You ought to let Hawking know.

The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking

He already knows. He has changed his mind on the subject.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Yeah, we got that squared away now (I hope).

 

[Ablaze]

The way I see it, the "Big Bang" wasn't the first, and it won't be the last of its kind. Cyclical cosmic expansion and contraction isn't stopping anytime soon.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah, we got that squared away now (I hope).

Yes, I noticed. I guess I came too late to the party.

 

[The Wizard]

Do you believe in the Big Bang?

Do you think it was a superior being who created the Big Bang?

Do you think the multiverse theory is a good explanation?

Was it something else?

My logic goes with the Big Bang and an eventual Big Crunch. And then infinite cycles of it, eternally. Existence never "started nor will it end." Reason is because something had to exist to "start" it and then therefor it could of never started or was not in the first place... as some people question or ponder. Until I find something more reasonable than that, which I doubt, it works good enough for me....imo.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There was no "before the Big Bang."

We can't even say "nothing came before," because there was no "before."



Don't know.

But if there was nothing before, then how could there have been anything to expand and grow into the universe? It's part of the reason I am Agnostic, as until it can actually be proven there was nothing before, we don't really actually know if there was something, or anything, before or outside of this universe. Until then, either god or matter seems to have came from somewhere other than previously existing matter as we know it. But whether or not the universe was started entirely natural at a single point, or if god or some other entity started it, it only leads to more questions. And because I'm only human, how should I really know anyways?

 

[outhouse]

We don't know enough to follow certain assertions.

My logic goes with the Big Bang and an eventual Big Crunch.
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I don't buy it and I don't think the math does either at this time.

And then infinite cycles of it, eternally.

Not within the same universe.

Existence never "started nor will it end." Reason is because something had to exist to "start" it and then therefor it could of never started or was not in the first place...

Not true.

Time started, and without time there was no existence.

as some people question or ponder

Since were in imagination land, I like to think of our universe as a blackhole that exploded. A universe in a universe in a universe in universe ect ect ect


every galaxy could be a universe egg

 

[outhouse]

Funny I just thought of all that starting in the last post. I knew I couldn't have been the first person to have thought that so here it is after a quick search.


Our Universe Was Born in a Black Hole, Theory Says | Space.com

Our universe might have originated from a black hole that lies within another universe.
The idea centers on how matter and energy falling into a black hole could in theory come out a "white hole" in another universe. In such a situation, both the black hole and the white hole are mouths of an Einstein-Rosen bridge, popularly known as a wormhole.
With that in mind, theoretical physicist Nikodem Poplawski at Indiana University conjectured that when a black hole forms upon the collapse of a dying star, a universe is born at the same time from the white hole on the other side of the wormhole.


Not exactly my hypothesis of a galaxy as a universe egg but you get the picture.

 

[The Wizard]

We don't know enough to follow certain assertions.




I don't buy it and I don't think the math does either at this time.




Not within the same universe.





Not true.

Time started, and without time there was no existence.





Since were in imagination land, I like to think of our universe as a blackhole that exploded. A universe in a universe in a universe in universe ect ect ect


every galaxy could be a universe egg

Right. Time is a measurement of our big bang and the existence in it... without such there is no reference point or measurement of time. Time is a measurement... nothing magical about it.

 

[outhouse]

If you want to ponder.

Imagine 50 billion years from now, all the stars may be dead and cold, but black holes would still exist and be hot as ever?

 

[outhouse]

... nothing magical about it.

God did it silly


I do like pondering the possibilities of nature.

 

[The Wizard]

God did it silly


I do like pondering the possibilities of nature.

Here, let me help. We have two times. 1. Is existence time, which is basically pointless as if counting eternal Big Bangs as if ticks on the almighty's Father Clock. We may never know where or what, if anything, is salvaged from previous Universes before they collapse.

2. Is your basic Big Bang (current Universe) time, in which all is only a measurement of what goes on in it...IMO.

Ps. I am yet to see any real proof over multiverse theories or aliens... If I missed something let me know...

 

[idav]

No, it doesn't. While the link may not explicitly say "there is no singularity", I thought the implication was fairly obvious. And Hawking does make this point explicitly in The Grand Design. To put it in a single sentence-

"A proposal first advanced by Stephen Hawking and Jim Hartle, the no-boundary universe is one in which the universe does not start with a singularity." ("Stephen Hawking's Universe", Stephen Hawking's Universe: Universes)

Derp!

Interesting idea and I wouldn't disagree with it. Infinitely finite, the concept still holds onto aspects of the singularity. Their maths are doing the work, they have gotten pretty close to planck time.

 

[outhouse]

We have two times. 1. Is existence time, which is basically pointless as if counting eternal Big Bangs as if ticks on the almighty's Father Clock....

I dont see any almighty father anywhere. I was joking.

There is only one time known. That is the time we live in now that was created when time and space was created together in the birth of our universe.

No other time is known.

We may never know where or what, if anything, is salvaged from previous Universes before they collapse.

Correct

I am yet to see any real proof over multiverse theories or aliens... If I missed something let me know

Im with you on that.

 

[metis]

Some here may be interested in this book: "The Universe Before the Big Bang: Cosmology and String Theory" by Maurizio Gasperini, who is a professor of physics in Bari, Italy. It's very technical book whereas so many times I had to stop and ask myself "What did I just read?". He goes through various theories on what preceded the BB.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I am sure nothing preceded the big bang in this particular universe, as that is the instant that this universe started its existence.
However there might be many other universes both preceding and coexistent with this one.

It seems that time for our universe started with the big bang.

There is no reason to believe that God resides in any universe, or in any of their unique time frames.

 

[metis]

I am sure nothing preceded the big bang in this particular universe, as that is the instant that this universe started its existence.
However there might be many other universes both preceding and coexistent with this one.

It seems that time for our universe started with the big bang.

It all depends on how one may use the word "started", which generally is a rather arbitrarily drawn line. Most cosmologists do think that there were likely certain conditions that existed prior to the BB, and M-Theory is just but one of them. According to the research cosmologist Leonard Susskind, most cosmologists tend to think that sub-atomic particles may well go back into infinity, which is slightly older than I am.

 

[nazz]

It all depends on how one may use the word "started", which generally is a rather arbitrarily drawn line. Most cosmologists do think that there were likely certain conditions that existed prior to the BB, and M-Theory is just but one of them. According to the research cosmologist Leonard Susskind, most cosmologists tend to think that sub-atomic particles may well go back into infinity, which is slightly older than I am.

what do you mean by "go back into infinity"?

 

[outhouse]

what do you mean by "go back into infinity"?

Quantum mechanics, particles go in and out of existance.


The unknown area is labeled as infinity.

 

[McBell]

Anyone can make up a theory of what happened, but with no data to prove it right or wrong, it remains speculation.

And sadly, creation isn't even a theory...